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Again, one major reason the Reformed are accused of not believing in free choice is due in part, and against Scriptural evidence otherwise, by the non-reformed, anti-Calvinists &c, is the belief they've chosen themselves into the kingdom, that salvation is a result of their choosing or decision. Scripture proves this is not the case.
They also implement this error in saying they are not chosen (elected) by God (most of them) -- thus, they've chosen themselves into the kingdom, while dead in sin, enemies of God, hostile toward God; "Out of their own free choice and love for God which proves they weren't forced (one or their favorite word choices) or robots (another fave word choice)!!!"
In other words, they've rewritten the narrative and have a different gospel than that of Scripture.
They also implement this error in saying they are not chosen (elected) by God (most of them) -- thus, they've chosen themselves into the kingdom, while dead in sin, enemies of God, hostile toward God; "Out of their own free choice and love for God which proves they weren't forced (one or their favorite word choices) or robots (another fave word choice)!!!"
In other words, they've rewritten the narrative and have a different gospel than that of Scripture.
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The example that won me to the difference, (and I can't remember where it comes from.)
Cats, by nature, are omnivores. They need to eat meat, carbs, and fiber. But they only think of meat. (And they die early because of their choice.)
Put a starving lion in a field of wheat too weak to hunt. It will starve to death, despite having food all around it. Yes, it could have chosen to eat the wheat, but it never considers it.
Yes, we could have chosen sinlessness. If we did not have that choice, than we cannot be held accountable for our actions. But it never dawned on us to do that. We were stuck thinking we were carnivores instead. We did not eat the wheat. God filled us with his bread. AND, once full, we thought, "Wow! Yummy! Glad I decided to eat it."
Cats, by nature, are omnivores. They need to eat meat, carbs, and fiber. But they only think of meat. (And they die early because of their choice.)
Put a starving lion in a field of wheat too weak to hunt. It will starve to death, despite having food all around it. Yes, it could have chosen to eat the wheat, but it never considers it.
Yes, we could have chosen sinlessness. If we did not have that choice, than we cannot be held accountable for our actions. But it never dawned on us to do that. We were stuck thinking we were carnivores instead. We did not eat the wheat. God filled us with his bread. AND, once full, we thought, "Wow! Yummy! Glad I decided to eat it."
Hmm... well I attend a Non-Denominational church that if I had to use a label, probably would be best described as "Bapticostal". I attend a revivalist group in my city on Fridays as well.
So my theology is probably best described as mostly Pentecostal, a little bit of Baptist, and a fresh garnish of New Apostolic Reformation (le gasp!) over the top.
So... probably not reformed enough to participate in the poll. XD
Still, a very interesting discussion that I'm curious to keep my eye on.
So my theology is probably best described as mostly Pentecostal, a little bit of Baptist, and a fresh garnish of New Apostolic Reformation (le gasp!) over the top.
So... probably not reformed enough to participate in the poll. XD
Still, a very interesting discussion that I'm curious to keep my eye on.
after being born into this 'fallen-world, all of our choices are put before us by satan,
remember, we are/were slaves to his will'; unless you are 'set apart, separated' by God,
for His special purpose...
and so, no one has a 'free choice' to do anything in goodness and grace, accordance to God's WiLL...
after 'Conversion', this is a 'whole different story and outcome for our lives, for we only desire
to serve and honor Him in all of our actions/thoughts/deeds in humble thankfulness...
(BIG DIFFERENCE, HUH??)
remember, we are/were slaves to his will'; unless you are 'set apart, separated' by God,
for His special purpose...
and so, no one has a 'free choice' to do anything in goodness and grace, accordance to God's WiLL...
after 'Conversion', this is a 'whole different story and outcome for our lives, for we only desire
to serve and honor Him in all of our actions/thoughts/deeds in humble thankfulness...
(BIG DIFFERENCE, HUH??)
D
Even when I wasn't a believer sometimes I chose good.
-- Helping Mom with dishes.
-- Taking care of my little brother when the phone rang.
-- Helping another brother catch minnows and worms for his turtles.
-- 2 AM feedings (in summertime) for little brother, and then spending hours entertaining him during potty training later on.
We can and did choose good at times. What we wouldn't choose is God.
-- Helping Mom with dishes.
-- Taking care of my little brother when the phone rang.
-- Helping another brother catch minnows and worms for his turtles.
-- 2 AM feedings (in summertime) for little brother, and then spending hours entertaining him during potty training later on.
We can and did choose good at times. What we wouldn't choose is God.