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If that is what Spurgeon believed, he was dead wrong.
God's will is for all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (2 Pet 3:9).
God wants the wicked to turn from their evil ways so they might live (Eze 33:11).
Whoever hears the gospel and decides to believe it shall be saved (John 3:16; Acts 16:30-31; Rom 10:9-10; Eph 1:13-14).
Christians are to be ambassadors for Christ. We have the ministry of reconciliation. The word of reconciliation was committed to us, and we are to beseech people in Christ's stead to be reconciled to God (2 Cor 5:18-20).
Many aspects of Calvinism are not true.
But as you noted, sometimes differences are irreconcilable, at least for now.
God's will is for all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:4). He is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (2 Pet 3:9).
God wants the wicked to turn from their evil ways so they might live (Eze 33:11).
Whoever hears the gospel and decides to believe it shall be saved (John 3:16; Acts 16:30-31; Rom 10:9-10; Eph 1:13-14).
Christians are to be ambassadors for Christ. We have the ministry of reconciliation. The word of reconciliation was committed to us, and we are to beseech people in Christ's stead to be reconciled to God (2 Cor 5:18-20).
Many aspects of Calvinism are not true.
But as you noted, sometimes differences are irreconcilable, at least for now.
Yes, Jesus even paid for the sins of false teachers. To no avail because they didn't accept the truth and had no faith. But their sins were paid for - yuppers they sure were.
2 Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
Not hardly nor as easily as you attempt put it.
You're fabricating a false scenario that has never existed and making pretense as if it did.
For you to imply Spurgeon ignored "your" first two Scriptures that "you" cited is ridiculous, presumptuous, false and unfounded. Provide proof he ignored these texts as you dogmatically assert, I await proof that exonerates you, and if the proof doesn't come forth from you then recant.
You really need to rescind your statement here, it is utterly false and presumptuous.
You're fabricating a false scenario that has never existed and making pretense as if it did.
For you to imply Spurgeon ignored "your" first two Scriptures that "you" cited is ridiculous, presumptuous, false and unfounded. Provide proof he ignored these texts as you dogmatically assert, I await proof that exonerates you, and if the proof doesn't come forth from you then recant.
You really need to rescind your statement here, it is utterly false and presumptuous.
No they do not. Universalists believe everyone will be saved. That is not my belief.
Spurgeon was a great man of God, but some of the things he believed were false.
1 John 2:
2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Why don't you try explaining what I do not understand?
I am not, nor have I ever been, a Universalist.
I clearly stated that not everyone will be saved. A person must choose to believe the gospel. That is not Universalism.
Yes, he did.
Again, people must choose to believe.
Spurgeon was a great man of God, but some of the things he believed were false.
1 John 2:
2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Why don't you try explaining what I do not understand?
I am not, nor have I ever been, a Universalist.
I clearly stated that not everyone will be saved. A person must choose to believe the gospel. That is not Universalism.
Yes, he did.
if He did then there is no need for them to go to hell, their sins are paid in full. 
U
Therein is the problem, in the this system of theology, belief/faith is a gift...
Dearly beloved brethren we must not be amazed if the article of the everlasting predestination to God, be so assaulted and fought against by Satan’s maintainers, seeing it is the foundation of our salvation, and also serveth for the better magnifying of the free goodness of God towards us. On the other side those Dogs which bark against it thinking to have a good and favorable cause are therein more hardy: as in very truth there is nothing more contrary to man’s understanding, than to place the cause of our salvation in the good will of God, in saying, that it belongeth to him alone to choose us: without finding of anything in us wherefore he should choose us: and after he hath chosen us, to give us faith through which we should be justified.”[ John Calvin, Sermon on Election and Reprobation, in The Comprehensive John Calvin Collection (Ages Digital Library, 1998), 225.]
Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Did John Calvin Believe Faith is a Gift given From God?
Dearly beloved brethren we must not be amazed if the article of the everlasting predestination to God, be so assaulted and fought against by Satan’s maintainers, seeing it is the foundation of our salvation, and also serveth for the better magnifying of the free goodness of God towards us. On the other side those Dogs which bark against it thinking to have a good and favorable cause are therein more hardy: as in very truth there is nothing more contrary to man’s understanding, than to place the cause of our salvation in the good will of God, in saying, that it belongeth to him alone to choose us: without finding of anything in us wherefore he should choose us: and after he hath chosen us, to give us faith through which we should be justified.”[ John Calvin, Sermon on Election and Reprobation, in The Comprehensive John Calvin Collection (Ages Digital Library, 1998), 225.]
Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Did John Calvin Believe Faith is a Gift given From God?
1 Jn 2:2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
KJV
Jn 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
KJV
We do not believe that Christ made any effectual atonement for those who are forever damned; we dare not think that the blood of Christ was ever shed with the intention of saving those whom God foreknew never could be saved, and some of whom were even in Hell when Christ, according to some men’s account, died to save them. [SUP][1][/SUP]
C.H. Spurgeon on Limited Atonement | ReasonableTheology.org
Perhaps I am misreading Mr Spurgeon's statement; but I cant see how he could reach such a conclusion without ignoring the cited Scriptures. Please show me what I am missing.
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
KJV
Jn 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
KJV
We do not believe that Christ made any effectual atonement for those who are forever damned; we dare not think that the blood of Christ was ever shed with the intention of saving those whom God foreknew never could be saved, and some of whom were even in Hell when Christ, according to some men’s account, died to save them. [SUP][1][/SUP]
C.H. Spurgeon on Limited Atonement | ReasonableTheology.org
Perhaps I am misreading Mr Spurgeon's statement; but I cant see how he could reach such a conclusion without ignoring the cited Scriptures. Please show me what I am missing.
Universalists?
They believe that;
1) The worlds sins were paid for, 1 John 2:2; (no need to go past here at all)
2) Since this is true, all the world will be saved as the sins of the whole world have already been paid in full.
3) No one needs to choose to believe, their sins are already paid for whether they believe or not, which is your belief and how you've interpreted 1 John 2:2, the sins of the whole world are paid for.
4) The above represents your beliefs; He paid for everyone's sins already, all are then going to heaven.
They believe that;
1) The worlds sins were paid for, 1 John 2:2; (no need to go past here at all)
2) Since this is true, all the world will be saved as the sins of the whole world have already been paid in full.
3) No one needs to choose to believe, their sins are already paid for whether they believe or not, which is your belief and how you've interpreted 1 John 2:2, the sins of the whole world are paid for.
4) The above represents your beliefs; He paid for everyone's sins already, all are then going to heaven.
There's your problem. What I highlighted in red is not true.
Acts 16:
30) And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Eph 1:
13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
People hear, believe, then they are sealed.
Rom 10:
9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Your statements do not reflect my beliefs.
No. Again, people must choose to believe, which any person has the ability to do.
Acts 16:
30) And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31) And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Eph 1:
13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
People hear, believe, then they are sealed.
Rom 10:
9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Your statements do not reflect my beliefs.
No. Again, people must choose to believe, which any person has the ability to do.
U
As well, nowhere does Scriptures say that sins are forgiven by the death of Christ apart from the instrumentality of faith.
Therefore, while Christ died for the sins of all humanity we only receive the gift of eternal life by faith
Faith is the instrument, without faith there is no gift bestowed, therefore no universal salvation
Therefore, while Christ died for the sins of all humanity we only receive the gift of eternal life by faith
Faith is the instrument, without faith there is no gift bestowed, therefore no universal salvation
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You can highlight all you want but the fact remains. When you claim, falsely mind you, that 1 John 2:2 means Christ paid for all sins for every man all time then all are going to heaven since all have been paid for.
You're a Universalist by your interpretation: Jesus paid for the sins of every person who has ever lived. That is what you claim 1 John 2:2 teaches. Thus all are going to heaven, Jesus already paid for their sins!
You need to go celebrate, cancel evangelism and join your nearest Universalist church!
Your beliefs are theirs, you'd make Robert Schuller proud! Congrats!!!!!
You're a Universalist by your interpretation: Jesus paid for the sins of every person who has ever lived. That is what you claim 1 John 2:2 teaches. Thus all are going to heaven, Jesus already paid for their sins!
You need to go celebrate, cancel evangelism and join your nearest Universalist church!
Your beliefs are theirs, you'd make Robert Schuller proud! Congrats!!!!!
How do you get that from my post? Did you really read it?
I believe that Divine election and freewill are compatible as shown above. You obviously disagree!
Since we both believe that we are saved by God's unmerited grace at His election; we will both go to heaven.
The Lord will surely correct one of us when we arrive.
I believe that Divine election and freewill are compatible as shown above. You obviously disagree!
Since we both believe that we are saved by God's unmerited grace at His election; we will both go to heaven.
The Lord will surely correct one of us when we arrive.
You certainly won't find that in Scripture. Any contrast with Israel is always either "Gentiles" or "nations". But the term "world" as used in the New Testament AS RELATED TO SALVATION means absolutely all of humanity. Since ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the glory of God, the offer of salvation is to ALL. Please note (as used in John 3:16):
Strong's Concordance
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Short Definition: the world, universe
Definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρονἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καίἀνθρώποις, 1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winers Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. )):Matthew 13:38; Matthew 18:7; Mark 14:9; John 1:10, 29 ( L in brackets); ; Romans 3:6, 19; 1 Corinthians 1:27f (cf. Winer's Grammar, 189 (178)); ; 2 Corinthians 5:19; James 2:5 (cf. Winer's Grammar, as above); 1 John 2:2 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 577 (536)); ἀρχαῖοςκόσμος, of the antediluvians, 2 Peter 2:5;γέννασθαι εἰς τόν κόσμον, John 16:21;ἔρχεσθαι εἰς τόν κόσμον (John 9:39) and εἰςτόν κόσμον τοῦτον, to make its appearance or come into existence among men, spoken of the light which in Christ shone upon men, John 1:9; John 3:19, cf. 12:46; of the Messiah, John 6:14; John 11:27; of Jesus as the Messiah, John 9:39; John 16:28; John 18:37; 1 Timothy 1:15;
Now the real issue is "Why do Calvinists pervert the Scriptures to conform with their doctrines?"
Strong's Concordance
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Short Definition: the world, universe
Definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρονἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καίἀνθρώποις, 1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winers Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. )):Matthew 13:38; Matthew 18:7; Mark 14:9; John 1:10, 29 ( L in brackets); ; Romans 3:6, 19; 1 Corinthians 1:27f (cf. Winer's Grammar, 189 (178)); ; 2 Corinthians 5:19; James 2:5 (cf. Winer's Grammar, as above); 1 John 2:2 (cf. Winer's Grammar, 577 (536)); ἀρχαῖοςκόσμος, of the antediluvians, 2 Peter 2:5;γέννασθαι εἰς τόν κόσμον, John 16:21;ἔρχεσθαι εἰς τόν κόσμον (John 9:39) and εἰςτόν κόσμον τοῦτον, to make its appearance or come into existence among men, spoken of the light which in Christ shone upon men, John 1:9; John 3:19, cf. 12:46; of the Messiah, John 6:14; John 11:27; of Jesus as the Messiah, John 9:39; John 16:28; John 18:37; 1 Timothy 1:15;
Now the real issue is "Why do Calvinists pervert the Scriptures to conform with their doctrines?"