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You aren't required to believe.
God has given you will, and the freedom, to go on your way, and believe anything you like.
You don't need to sit here and argue all day.
If you don't want to believe, you are free to go on your way... you can believe whatever you like.
Simple.
If you don't want to believe, then don't.
You are free to go.
God has given you will, and the freedom, to go on your way, and believe anything you like.
You don't need to sit here and argue all day.
If you don't want to believe, you are free to go on your way... you can believe whatever you like.
Simple.
If you don't want to believe, then don't.
You are free to go.
Ok, i will have to wait until faith arrives. I just don't get why God would call Himself a Son, that would indicate he has a Father but God is the Father, why the confusion?. I'll wait for faith like you say, in the meantime i'll keep on researching and seeking the truth, logic and reason has to play a big part or else anyone can claim anything they like, which appears to me that is the case, but i shall wait for faith to reveal the truth of the matter.
Think of this like a computer program...If you use logic which will be in the spirit of the world or Satan you will be influenced to not receive the right programing software...when you apply the faulty pre-conclusions all the computer will do is spit out wrong answers to every question because it does the application flawlessly, but the base info is wrong .
Garbage in garbage out. Let the spirit of God show you His ways by unveiling his understandings to you.Faith is the key to the right perspective not knowledge!
Garbage in garbage out. Let the spirit of God show you His ways by unveiling his understandings to you.Faith is the key to the right perspective not knowledge!
Believe in what exactly?, that's the point, it is interpretation of scripture and someone's opinion, but what is the correct interpretation?. I'm gone from here because it is confusing and illogical what is said around here with certain matters, so many different christians so many different interpretations claim they have the truth.
I'm done here, thank you for your time and use of the boards, i apologise for any hurt or harm it was not intended but WOW Christianity has huge issues man, well, from my personal perspective, for the time being i am out, gonna go enjoy myself for a while, take a break from all the confusion.
take care and farewell people
I'm done here, thank you for your time and use of the boards, i apologise for any hurt or harm it was not intended but WOW Christianity has huge issues man, well, from my personal perspective, for the time being i am out, gonna go enjoy myself for a while, take a break from all the confusion.
take care and farewell people
Reincarnation? Why? What purpose does it serve?
There is an idea that repeated lives will make people better. The idea is people will learn relationship and spiritual lessons the more lives they live. The problem with this hypothesis, it relies on individuals learning lessons and remembering from one life to the next as if live experiences were linked to eternal souls.
Jesus said we are like seeds planted in a field. Some rise good and strong, bear fruit and some fail, and are burnt and destroyed. It is a simple one chance and you are gone.
Now if you add the idea of eternal spirits, with eternal torture, the step into a reincarnation alternative makes better sense. Jesus appears to be talking about a simple love relationship, where you heart springs to life, new birth, or not, at which point the story ends.
My spiritual experience is this jump into new life, is the hardest thing a person can do, and all resist it to their last breath, or finally take the plunge. In reality, once you truly reject the open door, I think there is nothing left, no matter how many times the journey is repeated. That is why the Lord does not in force reincarnation, it would make no difference to the outcome, it might actually make it worse, by hardened souls recruiting more rebellion against love and life.
There is an idea that repeated lives will make people better. The idea is people will learn relationship and spiritual lessons the more lives they live. The problem with this hypothesis, it relies on individuals learning lessons and remembering from one life to the next as if live experiences were linked to eternal souls.
Jesus said we are like seeds planted in a field. Some rise good and strong, bear fruit and some fail, and are burnt and destroyed. It is a simple one chance and you are gone.
Now if you add the idea of eternal spirits, with eternal torture, the step into a reincarnation alternative makes better sense. Jesus appears to be talking about a simple love relationship, where you heart springs to life, new birth, or not, at which point the story ends.
My spiritual experience is this jump into new life, is the hardest thing a person can do, and all resist it to their last breath, or finally take the plunge. In reality, once you truly reject the open door, I think there is nothing left, no matter how many times the journey is repeated. That is why the Lord does not in force reincarnation, it would make no difference to the outcome, it might actually make it worse, by hardened souls recruiting more rebellion against love and life.
Unless your heart breaks my friend you will never know the correct interpretation. God will hold that truth from you.
You will spin your wheels endlessly in a frantic paced search that will become dogmatic and endlessly wrong in it's conclusions unless you become prone before God and Let go of the need for this Knowledge.
God Loves you but unless you give yourself to Him He does not owe you anything. He has promised you success and vision, but you call Him a liar by not responding to Him in Faith.
Faith is not a commodity item to be bought and sold on the street it is the measure of a surrendered heart...more specifically to answers for you and Salvation for your life....Faith has become the condition to your salvation . I love ya bud but I have to share the truth as plan as I can.
You will spin your wheels endlessly in a frantic paced search that will become dogmatic and endlessly wrong in it's conclusions unless you become prone before God and Let go of the need for this Knowledge.
God Loves you but unless you give yourself to Him He does not owe you anything. He has promised you success and vision, but you call Him a liar by not responding to Him in Faith.
Faith is not a commodity item to be bought and sold on the street it is the measure of a surrendered heart...more specifically to answers for you and Salvation for your life....Faith has become the condition to your salvation . I love ya bud but I have to share the truth as plan as I can.
Believe what exactly you asked...ok let me help you with that too..
You don't need to even know what you believe yet..
You need to say I am at a loss for answers but I believe you have them Lord. So now help me to see what all these other men have been saying..
I confess the sinful life I have lived and that I have been led to look for answers in places other than you.Come into my heart and I will obey you from now on. Give me wisdom and understanding because your word promises that and I now claim your promises in Jesus name Amen!
And if your heart is in that your in the business of getting it now..simple as that.
The bible then can be sought after ...with all your heart , mind and all your body and God will open the floodgates to your mind.
It is a miraculous thing I have experienced it! Come join the party!
You don't need to even know what you believe yet..
You need to say I am at a loss for answers but I believe you have them Lord. So now help me to see what all these other men have been saying..
I confess the sinful life I have lived and that I have been led to look for answers in places other than you.Come into my heart and I will obey you from now on. Give me wisdom and understanding because your word promises that and I now claim your promises in Jesus name Amen!
And if your heart is in that your in the business of getting it now..simple as that.
The bible then can be sought after ...with all your heart , mind and all your body and God will open the floodgates to your mind.
It is a miraculous thing I have experienced it! Come join the party!
The moment you begin to embrace all other 'faiths' as being of DIVINE influence, satan has you trapped. Even before JESUS was born on earth, there were all kinds of philosophies and religions too. Jesus makes the difference! HE pulls it all together. It is not up to you to feel that GOD forsakes China or any other civilization. One day we will understand when we are Resurrected from our graves, just like JESUS was from the tomb. Reincarnated? NO way..we come back as ourselves, but with a resurrected body. We do not come back as another creature or object. Your dead loved ones are not walking around as cows or horses, as those in 3rd worlds believe. Heck, there was even a TV sitcom in the late 60's called MY MOTHER, the Car in which a man's mom came back to continually haunt him as an old car sitting in his garage. When you start to put your own 'stamp' of approval on things that are spiritual, therein lies where our limited thought processes can reek havoc! lol
I testify to this truth. This spirit is called lust for knowledge! Been an agnostic before being a Christian and I did a lot of conspiracy theory and spiritual study... never understood the Bible... until I surrendered to God this unsatiable desire for knowledge. You keep wanting more knowlegde and are never satistified because you're not being nourished with the truth you can rest on. You "keep learning, never able to come to the knowledge of the truth". When I started reading afterwards, after a little while, it was just blam! blam! a thing after thing started opening up to my understanding. God was opening the Scriptures to me to see Jesus in the whole OT and a whole lot of other things.
About trinity, it really is more simple than it seems.
Oversimplified, a man has his mind or will (Father), which manifest in his flesh by words and actions (His Word and Right Arm - the Son), and your actions are determined by who you are, what makes you be you and not someone else (Spirit).
Man was made in His image. So as we have our mind, we manifest in flesh, and we have a spirit, so does God.
Jesus is not just what we have seen in human flesh - Jesus is Word of God and through Him all things were made, He also came to the prophets in the OT. = The Son is all manifestation of the Father.
You cannot know the Father unless through the Son = I cannot know your mind unless I "come through it" by observing your word and works manifestation of your will. The Father is unmanifested or unseen.
Jesus prayed to the Father = as we in our flesh are also sometimes weak and fear doing what we really dont want to do.
The Father is in the Son and the Son in the Father = your words and actions contain your will, as well as your mind bears your words and actions and they proceed from it
(in that notion, the whole trinity proceeds from the Father = your will or nature determines who you are).
And they are one single being, like you have all these elements but you are a single being!
We have "members" in our body and we are members in the Body of Christ = God has members in the Godhead. And as shown they are each fully Him.
Hope this helps someone struggling with this...
About trinity, it really is more simple than it seems.
Oversimplified, a man has his mind or will (Father), which manifest in his flesh by words and actions (His Word and Right Arm - the Son), and your actions are determined by who you are, what makes you be you and not someone else (Spirit).
Man was made in His image. So as we have our mind, we manifest in flesh, and we have a spirit, so does God.
Jesus is not just what we have seen in human flesh - Jesus is Word of God and through Him all things were made, He also came to the prophets in the OT. = The Son is all manifestation of the Father.
You cannot know the Father unless through the Son = I cannot know your mind unless I "come through it" by observing your word and works manifestation of your will. The Father is unmanifested or unseen.
Jesus prayed to the Father = as we in our flesh are also sometimes weak and fear doing what we really dont want to do.
The Father is in the Son and the Son in the Father = your words and actions contain your will, as well as your mind bears your words and actions and they proceed from it
(in that notion, the whole trinity proceeds from the Father = your will or nature determines who you are).
And they are one single being, like you have all these elements but you are a single being!
We have "members" in our body and we are members in the Body of Christ = God has members in the Godhead. And as shown they are each fully Him.
Hope this helps someone struggling with this...
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