"replacement theology" - what is it?

[PeterJens]

I am getting fed up being told what I do and do not believe also. So maybe if you STOP trying to tell me what I believe You will stop getting the attitude.

I wonder why EG hates being shown the conclusions of what he is saying.
Maybe it is because he is more interested in the effect of his words rather
than the truth.

It is a good point that people think what Israel is doing is innocent.

Any nation born out of terrorism and hatred is not a good foundation.
The people is Israel also are coming from persecuted communities where they
feel safer in Israel than elsewhere.

But in truth it would have to be pretty bad for this to be true, and in many jewish
communities it is far better where they are than in Israel.

Equally there will always be right wing jew haters, like there will be people who defend
persecuted communities also. The biggest test of each group is do they hate, and defend
injustice or evil behaviour, with obvious sin being involved.

 

[kaylagrl]

anf yet others make it an argument against the Jew The Bible says savation came thru the Jews

To the Jew first...then the Gentile. Grafted in.

 

[kaylagrl]

The Jewish brainwashing on evangelicals is truly astounding.

How do Jews brainwash?? Sounds like one Id like to hear....

 

[trofimus]

You never studied the OT. I have to wonder if you have to ask this question. Satan has been against Israel from the start. And amazing How God still took his people from Egypt. even though THEY were satanic. (they wanted the gods of Egypt. Not the one true God. no matter how many miracles God did.)

Just like he has been against the church from the start.

I dont see the answer in this.

So again

The vast majority of Israel is of satan. Satan is their father. Agreed?

Now, is this vast majority "God's people" or not? If yes, how does it fit together? How can satan's children be God's people?

Or are God's people only the believing ones who are not the children of satan?

 

[kaylagrl]

I dont think its Jewish. It comes from within the evangelical Christianity.

Othodox or Roman Catholics or Lutherans etc do not have this problem.

Brother,Roman Catholics started this false doctrine. But did you know they denounced this doctrine after the Holocaust happened? They did,as did the Protestants. Look it up and you will see Im telling the truth.

 

[PeterJens]

Any idiology that does not take personal responsibility for sin and desires to walk
in love and purity, is not from God.

It is obvious that there are two issues here.

1. Theological, who are the people of God, who inherit the promises given to Israel and
who Jesus fulfilled.
2. Political idiology which deals with the state of Israel and jewish culture in general.

Both sides on this thread have mixed these two subjects, making it impossible to
distinguish the two issues.

What is ironic is if both sides are not walking in the Holy Spirit it is all irrelevant.

Israel is only 8 million people. So much anger and antagonism over such
a small country is absurd. And no one wants to get involved because the participants
get more attention from conflict than they do from peace.

Until peace becomes worth more than continual low scale war, peace will never
appear.

 

[trofimus]

Brother,Roman Catholics started this false doctrine. But did you know they denounced this doctrine after the Holocaust happened? They did,as did the Protestants. Look it up and you will see Im telling the truth.

Which false doctrine do you have in mind? I am desoriented a little, everybody says about something that it is a false doctrine

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I dont see the answer in this.

So again

The vast majority of Israel is of satan. Satan is their father. Agreed?

It has been that way since they first left Egypt, except for a few short times in history, Agreed?

so whats your point? Nothing new under the sun is there? Your making a mountain out of a molehill

Now, is this vast majority "God's people" or not? If yes, how does it fit together? How can satan's child be God's people?

We are talking ABOUT A CHOSEN NATION. not about people going to heaven.

is this to hard for you to understand? (remember, In the OT This nation who had most people who followed Satan then ever followed God were called gods chosen)

like I said, You need to restudy the OT. This time do it without your blinders. Yes it is hard, I know, I went through it.

 

[trofimus]

It has been that way since they first left Egypt, except for a few short times in history, Agreed?

so whats your point? Nothing new under the sun is there? Your making a mountain out of a molehill



We are talking ABOUT A CHOSEN NATION. not about people going to heaven.

is this to hard for you to understand? (remember, In the OT This nation who had most people who followed Satan then ever followed God were called gods chosen)

like I said, You need to restudy the OT. This time do it without your blinders. Yes it is hard, I know, I went through it.

I did not say a word about heaven.

Chris said clearly "Abraham is not your father. Your father is devil." I dont think they were talking about salvation or heaven. They were talking about the status of Jews.

 

[kaylagrl]

Which false doctrine do you have in mind? I am desoriented a little, everybody says about something that it is a false doctrine

The theology of the church receiving the blessings meant for the Jews and that Jews are evil and of satan and Christ killers.The RC denounced that doctrine,years ago.

 

[trofimus]

The theology of the church receiving the blessings meant for the Jews and that Jews are evil and of satan and Christ killers.The RC denounced that doctrine,years ago.

The believing Jews are receiving the real promise, not just a physical image of it. And Gentiles too. They, together, are called "church".

That Jews are Christ "killers" is in the New Testament. How can it be false?

Christ said about unbelieving Jews that they are of satan, its in the NT too.

Do you have some link to catholic pages denouncing something regarding this?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did not say a word about heaven.

Chris said clearly "Abraham is not your father. Your father is devil." I dont think they were talking about salvation or heaven. They were talking about the status of Jews.

whatever dude, this crap is old, keep believing what you want, Jesus spoke of spiritual aspect, which is speaking of heavan, All spiritual children of abraham go to heaven! THATS THE CONTEXT OF SPIRITUAL ISRAEL VS NATURAL ISRAEL who was NEVER promised heaven by inheritance of being a natural child of Abraham. But WAS given promise, and chosen out as a nation.

deny it all you want it will not make it any less true.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The theology of the church receiving the blessings meant for the Jews and that Jews are evil and of satan and Christ killers.The RC denounced that doctrine,years ago.

Roman church no longer are ammilenial? I never heard this, And I know many who do still hold to this doctrine.

 

[trofimus]

whatever dude, this crap is old, keep believing what you want,

Can you please react in some more polite way? I do not talk to you in this manner too. Thank you.

Jesus spoke of spiritual aspect, which is speaking of heavan, All spiritual children of abraham go to heaven! THATS THE CONTEXT OF SPIRITUAL ISRAEL VS NATURAL ISRAEL who was NEVER promised heaven by inheritance of being a natural child of Abraham. But WAS given promise, and chosen out as a nation.

deny it all you want it will not make it any less true.

So are the unbelieving Jews the children of Abraham or not?

If not, how can they be the people of God?

I thought that the base for them being the people of God is in being the sons of Abraham.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So are the unbelieving Jews the children of Abraham or not? If not, how can they be the people of God?

This is why no one can talk wiht you people.

Are they children of God (adopted into his family by Christ) No

Are they part of the elect nation of God, chosen out of among gentiles and given a special place HERE ON EARTH. YES!! (Blind in part. Enemy concerning the gospel BUT BELOVED because of the election) Rom 11

Now are you going to sit there like your brother and sister and tell me I am saying all people who are natural children of Israel are going to heaven? or at least show some respect and say you understand what I am saying EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you please react in some more polite way? I do not talk to you in this manner too. Thank you.

Dude I feel like I am being attacked by all of you. DO you know how frustrating it is to tell people OVER AND OVER AGAIN what you are saying, yet CONTINUALLY be told you are saying something else?

 

[trofimus]

This is why no one can talk wiht you people.

So why do you talk with us, the people?

Are they children of God (adopted into his family by Christ) No

Are they part of the elect nation of God, chosen out of among gentiles and given a special place HERE ON EARTH. YES!![/B][/COLOR] (Blind in part. Enemy concerning the gospel BUT BELOVED because of the election) Rom 11

Now are you going to sit there like your brother and sister and tell me I am saying all people who are natural children of Israel are going to heaven? or at least show some respect and say you understand what I am saying EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE??

I will try to get your logic right:

1. God promised something to Abraham. Agreed?

2. You believe that some promise to Abraham applies to his children. Agreed?

3. Christ said to unbelieving Jews they are not the children of Abraham. Agreed?

4. Still, you believe that the unbelieving Jews who are not the children of Abraham should inherit the promise to Abraham. Agreed?

Please, notice that I am not talking about heaven, salvation etc at all.

 

[KJV1611]

Yes,we have,several times.

Ok, simple question with a simple answer plese don't give 10 out of context verses just answer this simple question - who is Israel 1 and who is israel 2?

Romans 9:6 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel (1), which are of Israel (2):

 

[trofimus]

Dude I feel like I am being attacked by all of you. DO you know how frustrating it is to tell people OVER AND OVER AGAIN what you are saying, yet CONTINUALLY be told you are saying something else?

It is very important, for internet discussion (or every other discussion), to not base responses on our feelings and frustrations.

It would become an unpleasant environment to discuss anything very quickly.

 

[kaylagrl]

The believing Jews are receiving the real promise, not just a physical image of it. And Gentiles too. They, together, are called "church".

That Jews are Christ "killers" is in the New Testament. How can it be false?

Christ said about unbelieving Jews that they are of satan, its in the NT too.

Do you have some link to catholic pages denouncing something regarding this?

I am looking for a link,I had it in my favorites but I have a new laptop,the other one went on the blink. Let me find it again,ok?


I posted the Scriptures before. Read carefully who Jesus said would kill him.It says it more than once in the NT. It was not "the Jews".