"replacement theology" - what is it?

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What does this prove? America is in the same boat.The White House was lit up in gay pride.Canada too.Israel is blinded,they are in unbelief at this time. What is this proving?
That they are still in sin.

and How we do know?

The temple still lies desolate. Just like Dan 9 said it would. Until the war desolation are complete. All these wars between Israel and the gentiles over the middle east prove this..

But when you misinterpret dan 9 and say it is done, you can not see this.
 
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Wow!!! That is quite a statement! Compared to Iran,Syria,Russia? Unbelievable statement. And if you're using homosexuality as the ruler to judge by ever been to Massachusetts?

He just proved his hatred for the jews. Nothing more needs said, Time to put on iggy.. like Lauren did.


I now many people who have been to Isreal. Who would be dead if they went to any arab country. Because of their faith.

I have not heard of any Jews beheading christians for their faith..
 
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if you are blind to the fig tree representing Israel, go on being blind
If you are blind to the whole scene representing if one has real faith, they can do the same thing to any other type of tree.

Then go on being blind.


Jesus said we could move mountains do. what did that have to do with Israel?
 
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Exactly, Israel is no holier than ony other nation.
And no one EVER said they were. When "All Israel" Is saved, they will still not be the most holy nation. They will be one of many nations..
 
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They went in large numbers in the days of Rehoboam, Asa , etc. Judah had a great number of Israelites in from early days. That is why later prophets could call it Israel.
Yes. Also while reading, representatives off all tribes were there.



It happened an the return between 538 BC to 30 AD.
one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.

1. Many jews still lived outside Isreal.
2. Many kings were over them in this time period you speak of. The prophesy said 1 king. (christ)
3. They were slaves to rome in 30 AD

so I do not know what you are talking about. You are clearly not seeing the picture.


LOL you are blind to the facts.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions

Mind exlaining to me how a nation who will NEVER defile themselves with their transgressions ended up crucifying their messiah, and ended up being destroyed in 70 AD.. Again, The word Never means never does it not?



Need some glasses?? or maybe take the log out of your eye? Somethign needs to be done.


The true Israel did receive Christ as Paul pointed out.
Christ was promised to every nation. Not just isreal.. So whats your pint?

Plus did you bot just say this occured in 538 BC? Can you make up your mind please
 
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I didn't say it was,I said God keeps them because they are His chosen and the apple of His eye.

Be careful. They like to tell you what you believe, with no care of whether it is true or not.
 
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And no one EVER said they were. When "All Israel" Is saved, they will still not be the most holy nation. They will be one of many nations..
All Israel is - saved Jews and saved gentiles... All Israel, Jews and Gentiles shall be saved.
 
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Only three groups of people in the Bible. Israel, Judah (Jews) and the dogs (those out of covenant).
 
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Only three groups of people in the Bible. Israel, Judah (Jews) and the dogs (those out of covenant).
oh?

Then who are the gentiles paul mentioned in Romans 10 and 11. Who was ninevah. Who was King davids mother (a gentile) or the many other "saved" gentiles all throughout the bible. In fact, what about all the people before Jacob (Israels namesake) was even born, Like noah and Adam and others?
 
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All Israel is - saved Jews and saved gentiles... All Israel, Jews and Gentiles shall be saved.
​Yes,if you rewrite Romans 11 thats what it says. Where is that redacted Bible with half the pages ripped out?
 

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Did you know that Abraham was a father of many nations? Those nations are Arabs, Jews and Children of the promise?

Did you know that a child of the promise is a LITERAL child of Abraham?
Did you know that Paul being a JEW was a child of the promise?
Did you know that you being a GENTILE are a child of the promise?

Did you know that some people are both PHYSICAL children of Abraham and CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE?
Did you know that Isaac was CHOSEN because he was a CHILD OF THE PROMISE and that HE WAS NOT chosen because he was a PHYSICAL child of Abraham?

Did you know that ALL Israel, all of the CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE both JEWS and GENTILES will be saved?
Did you know that when the children of Israel are mentioned in the bible it isn't alway referring to the FLESH children, MOST of the time it is referring to the children of the PROMISE?

If you don't understand those facts then you DONT understand Ezekiel.

Ok, so you really believe what you believe.

All the truth about spiritual Israel isn't what's being disputed here. We all agree that there's a spiritual Israel.

You seem to always keep your focus there without considering the scriptures that speak of the nation of Israel. The ones that do consider, you superimpose your view off of Israel and onto spiritual Israel when the literal reading of the scriptures speak of the natural nation of Israel. You want to change it into what you believe without taking them at face value.

And so yes you have read Ezekiel it seems. I'd love to ask you about so many scriptures in Ezekiel, but it would be of no benefit. God's focus in this book is on His nation of Israel, but for whatever reason, you just can't see it.

So I guess you see the covenant with Israel the nation has ended, no longer applicable to them. How sad. There's an inherent blessing you miss out on.
 
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Ok, so you really believe what you believe.

All the truth about spiritual Israel isn't what's being disputed here. We all agree that there's a spiritual Israel.

You seem to always keep your focus there without considering the scriptures that speak of the nation of Israel. The ones that do consider, you superimpose your view off of Israel and onto spiritual Israel when the literal reading of the scriptures speak of the natural nation of Israel. You want to change it into what you believe without taking them at face value.

And so yes you have read Ezekiel it seems. I'd love to ask you about so many scriptures in Ezekiel, but it would be of no benefit. God's focus in this book is on His nation of Israel, but for whatever reason, you just can't see it.

So I guess you see the covenant with Israel the nation has ended, no longer applicable to them. How sad. There's an inherent blessing you miss out on.
Amen. Spiritual Isreal and natural Israel are two different entities. And both were promised certain things. And one does not have anything to do with the other.

This is what replacement theologians and followers can not fathom. They want to mix it all together and make it one promise. nd one entity.

so what do they do when they come to a prophesy? Lets make it a symbolic interpretation. Not literal. Because literal does not fit our belief So it must be symbolic.
 
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The spiritual seed was NEVER promised land.
Yes, the spiritual seed is Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God.

It was Never given the land of canaan as an eternal possession.
I would agree. The outward Jew born of the flesh and the land as part of this corrupted creation was used as a living parable up until the time of reformation. God puts no difference between a Jew and a Gentile purifying the hearts of both by a work of His faith, a labor of His Love.

The married land, the New Heavenly Jerusalem as that not seen was represented by that seen the temporal, Cannan

When looking at a parable because we look not to the things seen, the temporal, but to that not seen the eternal. We realize the kingdom of God is not of this world. Our wrestle is not against flesh and blood (Jew and Gentile) as that seen. And therefore we do not walk after our religious experiences. This would be walking by sight and not by faith, as in ; “who would desire that which they already have”?

This would take away the desire to walk by the faith of Christ .

The Jews had used their experiences as sign gifts as evidence of the Holy Spirit, as if it was necessary to be born again of the Spirit of Christ to the "Gentile" .but they were exempt seeing they did walk by sight. The cross their stumbling block

It is why I believe Christ informed them who followed after signs they designed for those who rebel rather than prophecy for those who are trusting God walking according to His faith(not seen) , as it is written.

New believers born in or brought up in a Christian environment can also become like the Jew, figuring their parents are Christian and they do Christians things, so they must be Christian. Like why read the book ( Bible) when you are the ones living it?

This is when Satan, the father of lies can gets his foot in the door. We should avoid familiarity with the Spirit by looking outward to the flesh. Our familiarity with God comes by believing His word.

Trusting in the flesh for familiarly can breed contempt and give birth to hatred. They hated Christ without reason and is why I believe a prophet is not welcome in why one home town.

It would be one ways the father of lies could temp a Christian, that there is no need to read the scripture searching the daily bread and seek the approval God, as he informs those he loves to perform. The commandment to Study is a vital, imperative.

2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The Jew that sought the approval of men like that of the Catholics having a similar law of men, called the law of the fathers. The verse below would apply to both.

Having offered that verse below to a Catholic I was sharing with. They would so imply turn that upside down and say it proves a person cannot have eternal life by the authority of the scriptures , as if the words were dead .

And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. Joh 5:38

That is what the Jews performed requiring sign before they could believe. . In the working of the ceremonial laws they thought the kingdom of God was of here not realizing they were only shadows and types used in living parables up until the time of reformation.

Replacement theology tries to replace this promise with the church. It is false
I would agree it is rather reformation theology. T
 
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​Yes,if you rewrite Romans 11 thats what it says. Where is that redacted Bible with half the pages ripped out?

That's interesting ? Which pages since all Israel is not Israel.

In respect to an inward Israelite born of the Spirit of Christ or an outward of the flesh standing on the same fallow ground as any Gentile.

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.Rev 2:9

Christians is the new name God named his born again children

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
 
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Your right.

It is heresy to say the land promised to physical israel. is the same, or even related to salvation given to spiritual Israel.

It is not only heresy, It is poor interpretation.
 

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Your right.

It is heresy to say the land promised to physical israel. is the same, or even related to salvation given to spiritual Israel.

It is not only heresy, It is poor interpretation.
Joshua 23:14
“ I am now going the way of all the earth, and you know with all your heart and all your soul that none of the good promises the LORD your God made to you has failed. Everything was fulfilled for you; not one promise has failed.

let's see....is God actually saying:

1) none of the good promises the LORD your God made to you has failed.
2) Everything was fulfilled for you;
3) not one promise has failed.??

is it heresy to disagree with God?
 

zone

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Amen. Spiritual Isreal and natural Israel are two different entities. And both were promised certain things. And one does not have anything to do with the other.

This is what replacement theologians and followers can not fathom. They want to mix it all together and make it one promise. nd one entity.

so what do they do when they come to a prophesy? Lets make it a symbolic interpretation. Not literal. Because literal does not fit our belief So it must be symbolic.
Dispensationalism is an evangelical, futurist, Biblical interpretation that understands God to have related to human beings in different ways under different Biblical covenants in a series of "dispensations," or periods in history.

As a system, dispensationalism is expounded in the writings of John Nelson Darby (1800–82) and the Plymouth Brethren movement,[1]:10 and propagated through works such as Cyrus Scofield's Scofield Reference Bible. The theology of dispensationalism consists of a distinctive eschatological end times perspective, as all dispensationalists hold to premillennialism and most hold to a pretribulation rapture. Dispensationalists believe that the nation of Israel is distinct from the Christian Church,[2]:322 and that God has yet to fulfill his promises to national Israel. These promises include the land promises, which in the future world to come result in a millennial kingdom and Third Temple where Christ, upon his return, will rule the world from Jerusalem[3] for a thousand years....

....Dispensationalists believe that God has 2 covenants. One with the Church and the other with Israel. That these two covenants are currently in operation and they are both honored by God presently. They believe that the Church is the people of God and that the Jews are the people of God. That God works with these two entities in two separate ways. This is where the problem occurs....

Christianity: The Heresy of Dispensationalism
 
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Dispensationalism is an evangelical, futurist, Biblical interpretation that understands God to have related to human beings in different ways under different Biblical covenants in a series of "dispensations," or periods in history.

As a system, dispensationalism is expounded in the writings of John Nelson Darby (1800–82) and the Plymouth Brethren movement,[1]:10 and propagated through works such as Cyrus Scofield's Scofield Reference Bible. The theology of dispensationalism consists of a distinctive eschatological end times perspective, as all dispensationalists hold to premillennialism and most hold to a pretribulation rapture. Dispensationalists believe that the nation of Israel is distinct from the Christian Church,[2]:322 and that God has yet to fulfill his promises to national Israel. These promises include the land promises, which in the future world to come result in a millennial kingdom and Third Temple where Christ, upon his return, will rule the world from Jerusalem[3] for a thousand years....

....Dispensationalists believe that God has 2 covenants. One with the Church and the other with Israel. That these two covenants are currently in operation and they are both honored by God presently. They believe that the Church is the people of God and that the Jews are the people of God. That God works with these two entities in two separate ways. This is where the problem occurs....

Christianity: The Heresy of Dispensationalism




The Evil of Replacement Theology | Lamb & Lion Ministries




http://gracebbc.dyndns.org:81/Newell/HeresyOfPreterism.html
 
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That's interesting ? Which pages since all Israel is not Israel.

In respect to an inward Israelite born of the Spirit of Christ or an outward of the flesh standing on the same fallow ground as any Gentile.

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.Rev 2:9

Christians is the new name God named his born again children

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
The context of romans 11, Is God done with Isreal (physical) This in that passage, Physical Israel is in reference when the word "Israel" is used.

Thats why Paul said they are our enemy when it comes to the gospel (unbelieving or blind) but beloved because of the election