"replacement theology" - what is it?
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Yes, just off the top of my head around 57 million people died during WWII. Yes, the Nazis killed many non-jewish people simply because they did not comply....Does that sound familiar with today's Liberals in the US... While it has not gotten to the Killing stage YET?, they are Non-Tolerant of anyone who disagrees with them.
The Holocaust is a representation of a very Bad people Nazi Germany killing and trying to commit Genocide on a people simply because their beliefs in God...You see Satan was behind it all...
Israelis have been dispersed throughout the world for 2000 years. Yet even today, they are doing DNA test to find Levi for the Temple priest that is fixing to be rebuilt.
The only problem is that most of the ones you speak of are not Messianic Jews those who believe in Jesus Christ 'Lock, Stock and Barrel'
The only problem is that most of the ones you speak of are not Messianic Jews those who believe in Jesus Christ 'Lock, Stock and Barrel'
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of course it does not make sense.
Your focused on one aspect of the promise, "IN YOU" (abraham - a reference to one of Abrahams Children, namely Christ) shall All nations (which would include ever nation on earth, Including one nation which came from abrahams loins, a nation we know as Israel) be blessed (have an opportunity to be saved) That promise was fulfilled when Christ said "it is finished"
and you. are either totally ignoring the other aspect of Gods promises to Abraham. which have nothing to do with anyones salvation. or make them all fulfilled with Christ, which is impossible.
Gen 17 -
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. [SUP]5 [/SUP]No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.
MANY nations, Not just one, Many, God fulfilled his promise. And this fulfillment had nothing to do with anyone being saved. Now could it be fulfilled by christ
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
Again, God kept this promise Many nations came from Abraham, Edom and Isreal to name a few of the popular biblicle ones. Many of the nations in the middle east are waring, as it is a war between brothers.
and yet again, Had nothign to do with the fulfillment of the "All Nations shall be blessed" part. and not one person was saved because of this aspect of th ecovenant or promise or GIFT God gave abraham nor could it be fulfilled by christ
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
The final thing he gave ABRAHAM, is a peace of land, Not only to him, but all of his descendents, We know later biblical promises show it was only given through one seed, the seed of promise, ie, Isaac and Jacob.
As God told abraham later. Only to the son of promise, Ishmael He also will become a great nation. But the promise of land goes to the one seed.
Again, Lev 26. this same promise is mentionsed. "If, you repent, even after I scatter youu throughout all nations, and remove you from the land, and make your city and temple desolate (which never really occured completely until AD70) You repent, I will remember my covenant wiht Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.."
That promise still goes on today.
That promise has nothing too do with law. With levitical offerings, Or moses.. Which did not occur for 400 years after the land and promise was given and confirmed by Christ.
You have to seperate the two. If you do not want to. Thats on you my friend, But I refuse to tell God his promise to anyone is null and void.. and call him a liar.
again.
we are not talking law, we are not talking moses, we are not talking symbols or signs or sacrifice or offering. Which were not even in effect.
We are talking about a peace of land GOD GAVE ABRAHAM, and said it is YOURS FOREVER.
Yes, Ages of sacrifice are over, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GODS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM.
Your focused on one aspect of the promise, "IN YOU" (abraham - a reference to one of Abrahams Children, namely Christ) shall All nations (which would include ever nation on earth, Including one nation which came from abrahams loins, a nation we know as Israel) be blessed (have an opportunity to be saved) That promise was fulfilled when Christ said "it is finished"
and you. are either totally ignoring the other aspect of Gods promises to Abraham. which have nothing to do with anyones salvation. or make them all fulfilled with Christ, which is impossible.
Gen 17 -
[SUP]4 [/SUP]“As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. [SUP]5 [/SUP]No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.
MANY nations, Not just one, Many, God fulfilled his promise. And this fulfillment had nothing to do with anyone being saved. Now could it be fulfilled by christ
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
Again, God kept this promise Many nations came from Abraham, Edom and Isreal to name a few of the popular biblicle ones. Many of the nations in the middle east are waring, as it is a war between brothers.
and yet again, Had nothign to do with the fulfillment of the "All Nations shall be blessed" part. and not one person was saved because of this aspect of th ecovenant or promise or GIFT God gave abraham nor could it be fulfilled by christ
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
The final thing he gave ABRAHAM, is a peace of land, Not only to him, but all of his descendents, We know later biblical promises show it was only given through one seed, the seed of promise, ie, Isaac and Jacob.
As God told abraham later. Only to the son of promise, Ishmael He also will become a great nation. But the promise of land goes to the one seed.
Again, Lev 26. this same promise is mentionsed. "If, you repent, even after I scatter youu throughout all nations, and remove you from the land, and make your city and temple desolate (which never really occured completely until AD70) You repent, I will remember my covenant wiht Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.."
That promise still goes on today.
That promise has nothing too do with law. With levitical offerings, Or moses.. Which did not occur for 400 years after the land and promise was given and confirmed by Christ.
You have to seperate the two. If you do not want to. Thats on you my friend, But I refuse to tell God his promise to anyone is null and void.. and call him a liar.
again.
we are not talking law, we are not talking moses, we are not talking symbols or signs or sacrifice or offering. Which were not even in effect.
We are talking about a peace of land GOD GAVE ABRAHAM, and said it is YOURS FOREVER.
Yes, Ages of sacrifice are over, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GODS PROMISE TO ABRAHAM.
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Are you sure you want to claim Gods does not have to keep his promises?
Are you sure you want to tell people their salvation is not secure, That God can change his mind at any time?
I am not willing to do this I want to give people the HOPE of God. There is no hope in what your saying, Period.
All have sinned and fall short. I am not better than Israel. I am just as guilty as Israel. If God will not forgive Israel. and keep his promise to them. What makes me think for one second he will forgive me. and keep his promise he gave me.
If God will not keep his physical promise, there is no assurance whatsoever he will keep his spiritual promise.
Are you sure you want to tell people their salvation is not secure, That God can change his mind at any time?
I am not willing to do this I want to give people the HOPE of God. There is no hope in what your saying, Period.
All have sinned and fall short. I am not better than Israel. I am just as guilty as Israel. If God will not forgive Israel. and keep his promise to them. What makes me think for one second he will forgive me. and keep his promise he gave me.
If God will not keep his physical promise, there is no assurance whatsoever he will keep his spiritual promise.
God's promises to Abraham were unconditional. In fact Abraham was asleep when God made His covenant with him.
The ancient nation of Israel RARELY followed God's laws and precepts. Yet there was always a remnant that remained His, and the nation -state itself lasted centuries before God used gentile nations to punish them even though they mostly didn't follow Him.
BUT, Isaiah 11 tells us that God will regather them a SECOND time before His second coming.
The ancient nation of Israel RARELY followed God's laws and precepts. Yet there was always a remnant that remained His, and the nation -state itself lasted centuries before God used gentile nations to punish them even though they mostly didn't follow Him.
BUT, Isaiah 11 tells us that God will regather them a SECOND time before His second coming.
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yep. there you have it folks. She just condemned me (and those who believe like me) to hell when she does not even know what we believe.
How far can this go on?
Here I was excited to see her back, Hopeing she would be like when she first came in here, But I do not even see her posting in those threads. Just her hate of a group she does not even understand.
It really doesn't matter to me where the Ashkenazis come from. What matters is they're not true Jews & that the church is trying to press them into scripture & prophecy when they just don't fit.
The world is looking at the wrong people..... thus the polarization of religious people for/against Israel.
When we are commanded to pray for the peace of Israel, shouldn't we know exactly WHO we're praying for? I for one don't want to be caught praying for the peace of gentile fakes.
The world is looking at the wrong people..... thus the polarization of religious people for/against Israel.
When we are commanded to pray for the peace of Israel, shouldn't we know exactly WHO we're praying for? I for one don't want to be caught praying for the peace of gentile fakes.
It really doesn't matter to me where the Ashkenazis come from. What matters is they're not true Jews & that the church is trying to press them into scripture & prophecy when they just don't fit.
The world is looking at the wrong people..... thus the polarization of religious people for/against Israel.
When we are commanded to pray for the peace of Israel, shouldn't we know exactly WHO we're praying for? I for one don't want to be caught praying for the peace of gentile fakes.
The world is looking at the wrong people..... thus the polarization of religious people for/against Israel.
When we are commanded to pray for the peace of Israel, shouldn't we know exactly WHO we're praying for? I for one don't want to be caught praying for the peace of gentile fakes.
When, in fact, the original Greeks were blond like the Alexander the Greak and todays "Greeks" are actually Turks.
Funny.
I have not researched it thoroughly, but the Rothschilds are a part of a truly heinous group seizing power by controlling & destabilizing the central banking system. History records Nathan Rothschild:
In 1815, Rothschild made his famous statement: "I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls the British money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply."
And he was correct.
I will say this: It will be very easy to turn all countries against Israel when the people believes the Ashkenazis are the "Jews" responsible for the world's problems.
In 1815, Rothschild made his famous statement: "I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls the British money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply."
And he was correct.
I will say this: It will be very easy to turn all countries against Israel when the people believes the Ashkenazis are the "Jews" responsible for the world's problems.
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You and several others on this thread do not read the Bible as it was written by God himself or His inspired Prophets, Disiples, Front People (Noah, Arabram, etc.),
..but rather read a verse here and there, take it out of the context it is in and put your own spin to it...You would be great in Politics,,,,It is what they do best,,,, Tell the people that something is there when it is not.
I am sorry if that is a little harsh but it is the truth.
..but rather read a verse here and there, take it out of the context it is in and put your own spin to it...You would be great in Politics,,,,It is what they do best,,,, Tell the people that something is there when it is not.
I am sorry if that is a little harsh but it is the truth.
2 Chronicles 7:14..“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”
This is an illustration of God's love for his people even though he knew they would turn against him. Chronicles two books during the time of Saul and King David.
Through the seven years of tribulations, 2/3 of the Jewish people (unbelievers) will Die. (Exceptions being those that have died "in Christ" martyred or those that were "caught-up" in the clouds with Jesus prior to the Tribulations. Those that are left will Call out his name and he will save them.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV)
"31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
This tells us that in the coming days (end-days) and Probably the 1000 years reign of Jesus Christ, God will forever forgive His chosen people.
In Isaiah 65:20,,, those who do not accept Jesus Christ at the end of 100 years will DIE. So it appears God spares His people from any sin, any unbelief and they do not die during this period of 1000 years. ONLY THE GENTILES will DIE and only those who choose not to believe in Jesus Christ.
This is an illustration of God's love for his people even though he knew they would turn against him. Chronicles two books during the time of Saul and King David.
Through the seven years of tribulations, 2/3 of the Jewish people (unbelievers) will Die. (Exceptions being those that have died "in Christ" martyred or those that were "caught-up" in the clouds with Jesus prior to the Tribulations. Those that are left will Call out his name and he will save them.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV)
"31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
This tells us that in the coming days (end-days) and Probably the 1000 years reign of Jesus Christ, God will forever forgive His chosen people.
In Isaiah 65:20,,, those who do not accept Jesus Christ at the end of 100 years will DIE. So it appears God spares His people from any sin, any unbelief and they do not die during this period of 1000 years. ONLY THE GENTILES will DIE and only those who choose not to believe in Jesus Christ.
it's pretty shallow
Thinking that some have a shallow understanding of the gospel hardly equates to condemning them to hell. In all fairness, you accuse her of "hating a group" in this very post .. presumably the dispensationalists and/or Jews ? Am I in my rights to protest you because I'm (one of those who believe like her) ? Sir .. please. If we're going to have this discussion, let's do better than this.
Plainguy, I did not say they were following God's instructions. God brought the Jewish people back to the land He gave Abraham. It is call Zionism! Throughout history the Jewish people have turned away from God yet he continually protects them and takes them back.. (i.e read exodus and the number of times his people doubted him and he still was there).
What I have done is reprint the post I gave Tofimus. It appears your and His questions are pretty close to the same thing.
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Originally posted at #917
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2 Chronicles 7:14..“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”
This is an illustration of God's love for his people even though he knew they would turn against him. Chronicles two books during the time of Saul and King David.
Through the seven years of tribulations, 2/3 of the Jewish people (unbelievers) will Die. (Exceptions being those that have died "in Christ" martyred or those that were "caught-up" in the clouds with Jesus prior to the Tribulations. Those that are left will Call out his name and he will save them.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV)
"31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
This tells us that in the coming days (end-days) and Probably the 1000 years reign of Jesus Christ, God will forever forgive His chosen people.
In Isaiah 65:20,,, those who do not accept Jesus Christ at the end of 100 years will DIE. So it appears God spares His people from any sin, any unbelief and they do not die during this period of 1000 years. ONLY THE GENTILES will DIE and only those who choose not to believe in Jesus Christ.
What I have done is reprint the post I gave Tofimus. It appears your and His questions are pretty close to the same thing.
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Originally posted at #917
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2 Chronicles 7:14..“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”
This is an illustration of God's love for his people even though he knew they would turn against him. Chronicles two books during the time of Saul and King David.
Through the seven years of tribulations, 2/3 of the Jewish people (unbelievers) will Die. (Exceptions being those that have died "in Christ" martyred or those that were "caught-up" in the clouds with Jesus prior to the Tribulations. Those that are left will Call out his name and he will save them.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV)
"31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
This tells us that in the coming days (end-days) and Probably the 1000 years reign of Jesus Christ, God will forever forgive His chosen people.
In Isaiah 65:20,,, those who do not accept Jesus Christ at the end of 100 years will DIE. So it appears God spares His people from any sin, any unbelief and they do not die during this period of 1000 years. ONLY THE GENTILES will DIE and only those who choose not to believe in Jesus Christ.