Resurrection Day 2017

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WebersHome

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Calculating resurrection day, had it taken place in 2017, is a snap.

First off: according to John 18:28 and John 19:13-14, Jesus was crucified on
the day when the Jews were slaughtering Passover lambs and roasting them
with fire ready to eat by sundown. According to the 12th chapter of Exodus;
the date was Nissan 14 on the Jewish calendar; which, in 2017,
corresponded to Monday, April 10 on the Gregorian calendar.

Jesus predicted that he would be in the heart of the earth three days and
three nights (Matt 12:40).

The preponderance of evidence indicates that his dead body returned to life
on the third day rather than during the third night (Matt 17:22-23, Mark
9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:46, Acts 10:40, 1Cor 15:4). So right off the bat
we can rule out a nighttime resurrection. I.e.. Christ's dead body revived
when the sun was up rather than when the sun was not up.

So then, seeing as how in 2017 Christ would have passed away during the
afternoon of Monday, April 10 before sundown; then counting three nights
from thence would put his dead body returning to life on Thursday, April 13
before sundown.
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Due to certain women arriving at the cemetery early in the morning on the
third day, and thus discovering Jesus' body gone; then we should be pretty
safe in concluding that Christ walked out of his grave sometime before noon.

NOTE: There's quite a bit of confusion going around related to the time of
the women's arrival at the cemetery; for example Matt 28:1

"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the
week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher."

The Greek word translated "came" is horribly ambiguous. It can not only
mean came, but also went, i.e. it can indicate travel as well as arrival and/or
coming as well as going. Here's the same verse from another translation.

"After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene
and the other Mary went to look at the tomb."

Seeing as how the preponderance of evidence indicates that Jesus' dead
body revived on the third day rather than during the third night, i.e. when
the sun was up rather than when the sun was not up, then it's safe to
conclude, in this case at least, that "went" is the appropriate translation of
the Greek word erchomai, i.e. the sun was already up by the time the
women arrived.

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Magenta

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Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. John 20:1

Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn (sun is not yet risen!), Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.
Matthew 28:1-2

Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
Luke 24:1-3
 

WebersHome

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Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene
went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the
entrance. John 20:1

Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn (sun is
not yet risen!), Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.
Matthew 28:1-2

Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and
certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which
they had prepared. Luke 24:1-3
Seeing as how the preponderance of evidence indicates that Jesus' dead body revived on the third day rather than during the third night, i.e. when
the sun was up rather than when the sun was not up (see post #1), then it's
safe to conclude that the women left their homes during early morning
twilight; and by the time they met up together and journeyed to the
cemetery, the sun was fully up.

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hornetguy

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Seeing as how the preponderance of evidence indicates that Jesus' dead body revived on the third day rather than during the third night, i.e. when
the sun was up rather than when the sun was not up (see post #1), then it's
safe to conclude that the women left their homes during early morning
twilight; and by the time they met up together and journeyed to the
cemetery, the sun was fully up.

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Even after reading the scriptures, you still say the "preponderance of evidence" says something else?

What evidence?

Scripture is pretty plain...
 
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Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn (sun is not yet risen!), Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. Matthew 28:1-2
Whereas for the Jews the day begins at sunset, then Jesus was resurrected on Sunday night.
 

hornetguy

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Whereas for the Jews the day begins at sunset, then Jesus was resurrected on Sunday night.
No, Saturday night, after 6 pm would be the start of the Jewish "first day of the week". On the first day of the week, as the sun began to rise would be sometime around 5-6 oclock on Sunday morning.
 

WebersHome

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"preponderance of evidence" What evidence?

The information you seek is located in post #1.


The preponderance of evidence indicates that his dead body returned to life
on the third day rather than during the third night (Matt 17:22-23, Mark
9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:46, Acts 10:40, 1Cor 15:4).
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Magenta

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Whereas for the Jews the day begins at sunset, then Jesus was resurrected on Sunday night.
They went to the tomb Sunday morning, before sunrise... Sunday had started 12 hours previously.

 

WebersHome

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According to Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14-18, and John 11:9, "day" is when the sun
is up, and "night" is when the sun is down.

Even little children know the difference between night and day; especially
those afraid of the dark, and they know that night begins when the sun goes
down and day begins with the sun comes up. When a supposed adult can't
even understand things as elementary as those, then I have to seriously
question their understanding of things that are beyond a child's ability to
grasp.

Matt 11:25-26 . . Jesus said: I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and
earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and
revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

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WebersHome

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They went to the tomb Sunday morning, before sunrise
Yes, that's when they went, but that's not when they arrived.

Seeing as how the preponderance of evidence indicates that Jesus' dead
body revived on the third day rather than during the third night, i.e. when
the sun was up rather than when the sun was not up, then it's safe to
conclude that the women left their homes during early morning twilight; and
by the time they met together and journeyed to the cemetery, the sun was
fully up.

The Greek word describing their journey is ambiguous. It can not only mean
came, but also went, i.e. it can indicate travel as well as arrival and/or
coming as well as going.

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WebersHome

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The Greek word describing their journey is ambiguous.
The original languages of the Bible contain a lot of ambiguous words, and
translators are not always sure how best to interpret them; so sometimes
the onus is upon the reader. In those cases, it becomes necessary to compare
scripture with scripture. Caveat Lector.

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Magenta

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According to Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14-18, and John 11:9, "day" is when the sun
is up, and "night" is when the sun is down.

Even little children know the difference between night and day; especially
those afraid of the dark, and they know that night begins when the sun goes
down and day begins with the sun comes up. When a supposed adult can't
even understand things as elementary as those, then I have to seriously
question their understanding of things that are beyond a child's ability to
grasp.

Matt 11:25-26 . . Jesus said: I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and
earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and
revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
Sorry, but the Biblical day starts at evening, with the night part of the day preceding the daylight part of the day. Jewish people still count their days this way, which is why their Sabbath is (our) Friday night and Saturday daytime. I'm sure you'd like to call me stupid for saying so, but you only show your own ignorance in pretending I cannot grasp what children can. Why don't you throw out your Bible and just continue to make it up as you go along, eh?
 

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the Biblical day starts at evening, with the night part of the day preceding
the daylight part of the day. Jewish people still count their days this way,
According to Gen 1:4-5 and Gen 1:14-18, day is when the sun is up, and
night is when the sun is down. Those are the Bible's definitions; not mine.

FYI: Jesus Christ is the focal point of Easter week. Seeing as how it's his
show, then I suggest that everyone fall in line with his way of thinking
because I cannot imagine anyone better qualified to tell us how to
understand days and nights as they were understood during the years when
he himself was living in Israel.

John 11:9 . . Jesus answered: are there not twelve hours in the day? A
man who walks by day will not stumble, for he sees by this world's light.

This world's days are of course illuminated by the sun as per Gen 1:14-18.

Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by what's
known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with the time
of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when days on
earth consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and sometimes more;
but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was always twelve
regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve
equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just
a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifices)

In order to avoid confusion; I highly recommend working with the 12-hour
day that Jesus Christ himself gave us in his statement at John 11:9, i.e. let
Day be daytime and let Night be nighttime; viz: the three days and three
nights of Jonah 1:17, Matt 12:40, John 2:19-22 indicate three times when
the sun was up, and three times when the sun was down.



Why don't you throw out your Bible
Throwing out the Bible would entail throwing out Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14-18,
and John 11:9. I need those passages in order to hold my ground against
people who have trouble telling the difference between days and nights.

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