Revelation 12:4 and "It"

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Now let’s go back to Revelation 12:4 “And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.” We know by the gospel account in Matthew 2:16 that King Herod and his host tried to kill Jesus while he was an infant. In this we see the Red Dragon and his spirit works in many men, and has ever since sin entered into man.

Notice it was the tail of the red dragon that drew away the third part of the stars of heaven. This is an important clue in understanding the spirit of antichrist, which is the spirit of a lie.

I hear a lot of people these days talking about the coming of the Antichrist. Like he is a single man figure who is going to set up some new world order, and stamp his followers with a 666 tattoo, or microchip in their forehead or in their right hand. And if they don’t receive his mark they won’t be able to buy groceries, or sell material things etc.

But I believe what many fail to understand is….the antichrist spirit has already come, as was also prophesied in scripture and confirmed by both Jesus and the apostles. So instead of taking others word for it, let us see just what the scriptures actually say about that spirit of antichrist. And let’s see when it actually came, and how it has already successfully deceived many, and has practiced, and has prospered in the world as is also written.

In the book of Daniel we are given the prophecy of the 4th and final beast, and the little horn.
Daniel 7:8 “I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.”

And this little horn is also shown here in Daniel 8:9-12 9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of stars to the ground , and stamped upon them.11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered.”

First thing notice the little horn is often called “it”, next thing notice “it” waxed great even to the host of heaven. No single evil man has waxed great, even to the host of heaven. And now thirdly, and most importantly, is “itcast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground.

Again, no single evil man has cast down the angels of God (stars) to the ground. But we do have scriptural proof just who did, and how he did it, and even when this occurred. Notice how the great Red Dragon draws away the stars of heaven and casts them to the ground.

Revelation 12:3-5 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”

This verse shows the connection with the prophecy of Daniel and the little hornit” (the tail of the Dragon) which cast down some of the host and stars to the ground. This verse also confirms the timing of just when this casting out of Satan would happen, as the man child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron, and was caught up to God, and to His throne is none other than Jesus Christ.

We also see confirmation of this casting out of Satan in Revelation 12:7-9And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

This confirms the casting out of Satan (prince of this world) and the place of their sanctuary also being cast down, as confirmed in the above verses in Daniel 8:11. I’ll get back to the little horn and tail of the Dragon in a bit, but let’s first confirm by Jesus words and the apostles what we have so far.

Jesus said in Luke 10:18 “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” Jesus also said the Prince of this world is judged in John 16:11 “Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.” And again in John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” And so again when is Satan judged, cast out, and when does he come? John 12:31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

And when Jesus said now, he meant now! Not some 1,982 years or so later. Alright, we have scriptural proof to confirm this, and Jesus’ own testimony to confirm this, and now the apostles testimony of the coming of antichrist spirit.

1 John 2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”

1 John 4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

2 John 1:7 “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.”

Note, John says nothing about a single man being Antichrist, but rather he tells us antichrist is a spirit which works in many. (many deceivers)

This spirit is that little horn called “it” in Daniel 8:12 which also casts the truth to the ground. The reason being is that spirit is of the Devil, and the Devil is the father of lies. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Notice “it” mentioned here in Genesis 3:15 “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.



When you come to understand “it” is not a man, but the spirit of a “lie” then the scriptures will make more sense (perhaps).

Notice in Daniel 8:12 “And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered.” The lie “it” would practice and prosper in this world, and it has also deceived the whole world and has destroyed wonderfully.

When the Lord first revealed this to me I was blown away, because I never really paid attention to how “it” was shown there in Daniel. And then I came across another verse which I’ve read multiple times but “it’ never occurred to me when reading this verse in Luke 21:13 “And it shall turn to you for a testimony.”

So why didn’t Jesus speak of these kings and rulers as “them” or “they” or “men”; because he was giving us a clue just who “it” was; which is the spirit of a lie working in them who abide not in the Truth. What a difference one little word like “it” could make to understanding the spirit of antichrist.

Which brings us back to the little horn (which is the tail of the Dragon) who drew away some of the host and stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. (as we saw in Daniel 8:10 and Rev 12:4) But first we must understand what the tail of the Red Dragon represents, which is explained here in Isaiah 9:15 “The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.”

So the tail of the Dragon represents the false prophet spirit (spirit of antichrist) which teaches lies, and draws people away from the Truth. The false prophet image is shown here in Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.”

This false prophet image may look to many like a lamb (like the spiritual image of the Lamb of God) but his doctrine proves what spirit he is truly of.
 

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The mark of Yah is clearly stated in Scripture:


Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

and Paul supports this verse:

2 Timothy 2:19, "Nevertheless, the Foundation of Yahweh stands sure, having this seal*: Yahweh knows those who are His, because everyone who reverences the Name of Yahweh departs from iniquity." (iniquity is Lawlessness)

*seal is 4973. sphragisStrong's Concordance

sphragis: a seal, a signet​
Original Word: σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: sphragis
Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-ece')
Short Definition: a signet-ring, impression of a seal, the proof
Definition: a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.

again

Exodus 13:9, "...sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth..."

upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes

Hand and head...

The beast has a counter mark: Also in the
hand and head

Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no rest night and day, who worship the beast and his likeness..."

For we can see the end time anti-Messiah will be "the Lawless one"

2 Thessalonians 2:7, "7 For
the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan..."

This "sign" is your actions (right hand) which represents strength, what you do with your ability/life and memorial between your eyes Exodus 13:9, that explains the mark of Yahweh says: "memorial between your eyes," what do we remember with that is between our eyes? Our brain, or our thoughts and beliefs.
 
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So, what is being said here is the mark is not literal? If the mark is NOT literal then how will people NOT be able to buy or sell?
 
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So, once the world realizes that there is obvious need for someone to get things under control... they won't look to a person... they all rally behind an idea? No, that won't cut it. Not at all. Christ (Jesus-a Person) came. It would stand to reason that people will want a real person to bring the world together.

The Bible says that the world will be forced to worship him...not "it". If you are basing all that u you said because of the word "it" then you would need to believe that because in the King James and many other versions of the Bible the Spirit is called "it, It). This would have to mean that the Holy Spirit is nothing more than an "idea" or a mere "influence". He, the Spirit, IS a Person... not an idea or influence or a thing.
 

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So, what is being said here is the mark is not literal? If the mark is NOT literal then how will people NOT be able to buy or sell?
There is no Scripture that fully explains how, but I have a possible example.

Certainly the world will be in a state of chaos and buying and selling could be done in a way that one would have to transgress against Yahweh to buy ans sell, as buying and selling one the day He says is His mark:

(and you will see this mark is for Hebrew and gentile alike);

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

SO the only day of commerce alloed in a time of great chaos could be the 7th day (Sat), for days 1-6 (Mon-Fri) are work days and the 1st day (Sun) has been declared by the RCC, "her mark of authority":

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.

and it was prophesied by the prophet Daniyl:


Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Now with all that said I do personally believe the RIFD will be "administered"

Revelation 18:11-13, "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. "

Arron Russo was attempted to be recruited by the "global elite" and spoke upon rfid agenda before he died;

Aaron Russo (/ˈrʊs/; February 14, 1943 – August 24, 2007) was an American entertainment businessman, film producer and director, and political activist. He was best known for producing such movies as Trading Places, Wise Guys, and The Rose. Later in life, he created various Libertarian-leaning political documentaries including Mad as Hell and America: Freedom to Fascism. After a six-year battle with bladder cancer, Russo died on August 24, 2007.

[video=youtube;YGAaPjqdbgQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ[/video]

quote:

"Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act:


A class II implantable device is an “implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as
“claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that
allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data
environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed
appropriate by the Secretary.”
Class III devises are items such as breast implants, pacemakers,
heart valves, etc. A Class II device that is implantable is, as you seen
from the FDA, an implantable radio frequency transponder, RFID chip.
From breast implants, to pacemakers, to RFID chips which one is the only
possible one that can used for the stated purpose in section B which
is, “for linking such data with the information included in the
registry”? As we know from subsection A, the information in the
registry is the name of a device. In plain speak, we are in a clear way
being told that our electronic medical records are going to be linked to
a class II implantable device!
“The Secretary to protect the public health; shall establish
procedures to permit linkage of information submitted pursuant to
subparagraph (A, remember subparagraph A is the class 2 implantable device reference) with patient safety and outcomes data obtained under paragraph (3, which is electronic medical records); and to permit analyses of linked data;”
Continuing on to page 1007, in the STANDARDS, IMPLEMENTATION CRITERIA,
AND CERTIFICATION CRITERIA section, the secretary of health and human
services is given full power to intact all mandates from the laundry
list of to-do items in the creation process of the registry as well as
dictate how the devises listed in the National Medical Device Registry
are to be used and implemented.
“The Secretary of the Health Human Services, acting through the head of the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology,
shall adopt standards, implementation specifications, and certification
criteria for the electronic exchange and use in certified electronic
health records of a unique device identifier for each device described
in paragraph 1 (National Medical Device Registry), if such an identifier
is required by section 519(f) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic
Act (21 U.S.C. 360i(f)) for the device.”
Notice here in this part which is at the beginning of 2000 plus pages of the law, it is carefully worded “which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identity detection card”.
Here we are told that it may be a card. As you have already seen,
deeper in the law [Sec. 2521 Pg. 1000] what this “may” utilize is
clearly spelled out as a “class II device that is implantable”.
Now on Page 503, section E Lines 13-17 and I quote: “encourage, as
appropriate, the development and use of clinical registries and the
development of clinical effectiveness research data networks from
electronic health records, post marketing drug and medical device surveillance efforts”. Let me say that again, medical device surveillance efforts!
Now lets look at section 163 of HR3200, which gives the government a
direct electronic access to your bank account which will work in
conjunction with an implanted chip.
Page 58 Lines 5 through 15 reads:
(D) enable the real-time (or near real time) determination of an individual’s financial
responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible,
prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a
specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which
may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary
identity detection card; (E) enable, where feasible, near real-time
adjudication of claims
What does this mean? It means that the government will give everybody a
health ID card that contains a machine readable device (magnetic strip
or RFID chip) similar to a credit card. Embedded in this chip or strip
is your Health Identification Number. When you visit a medical provider,
the medical claims will be processed while you are still in the office.
The medical providers will be paid in real time. The portion that you
owe will be deducted from your bank account, in real time, according to
HR 3200.
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We'll all be here when the time comes. When, not, IF the times comes for the "mark" to be mandatory we'll see.
 

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So the tail of the Dragon represents the false prophet spirit (spirit of antichrist) which teaches lies, and draws people away from the Truth. The false prophet image is shown here in
Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.”

This false prophet image may look to many like a lamb (like the spiritual image of the Lamb of God) but his doctrine proves what spirit he is truly of.
Yes on the spiritual marks and the antichrist .......but the rest of this?

The gift of being able to interpret prophecy isn't received by most.
We should all really pray hard before we begin to teach any of it.
I would never attempt to do so.
Especially when our "truths" can really be just clever and creative lies and odd guesswork.

If you are saying what I think you are trying to say, than this post grossly underestimates who/what the false prophet is.

So the debate continues on prophecy.
 
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So, what is being said here is the mark is not literal? If the mark is NOT literal then how will people NOT be able to buy or sell?
The mark of the beast is a spiritual inward mark upon the heart and mind of man, and it has to do with the spirit working in man, and also in this world. This spiritual mark has to do with the spirit of a lie, just God's mark has to do with the Spirit of Truth.

Look at the wording concerning God's seal, or "mark"

In Revelation 7:2 another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the Living God. This imagery we have also see before in Ezekiel chapter 9 where Ezekiel saw in a vision six men with slaughter weapons in their hands; and one man among them had a writers ink horn by his side. And the Lord commanded the one with the ink horn in Ezekiel 9:4 “And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.”

The word “mark” in scripture can also be interpreted the same as the word “seal”. And so you might ask what is the seal or mark of God?

God’s seal in our forehead is His words written in our hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit. Here is proof in
2 Corinthians 1:22 “Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

And also here in
Ephesians 1:13 “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,” And also here in Ephesians 4:30 “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

This sign of writing Gods word on your forehead was symbolized many times in the Old Testament. As in
Deuteronomy 6:8 “And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.” And here in Deuteronomy 11:18 “Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Many Orthodox Jews still literally bind the words on their foreheads and on their hands because they don’t understand it was given for a sign of what God would do by His Spirit. When God says it is for a “sign” then it means it is given to symbolize something else. Much in the same way the circumcision was also given as a “token” or “sign” between God and His people, which also speaks of the spiritual circumcision of the heart.

What I would also like for you to notice here in the seal, or mark of God in the forehead is that the mark of the beast is also wording in the same manner “in their forehead”. Look here in Revelation 13:16 “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:”

Be not deceived, the mark of the beast is not a physical mark to be stamped on the outside, it is a spiritual mark which is received on the inside (heart and mind).
 
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The mark of the beast is a spiritual inward mark upon the heart and mind of man, and it has to do with the spirit working in man, and also in this world. This spiritual mark has to do with the spirit of a lie, just God's mark has to do with the Spirit of Truth.

Look at the wording concerning God's seal, or "mark"

In Revelation 7:2 another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the Living God. This imagery we have also see before in Ezekiel chapter 9 where Ezekiel saw in a vision six men with slaughter weapons in their hands; and one man among them had a writers ink horn by his side. And the Lord commanded the one with the ink horn in Ezekiel 9:4 “And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.”

The word “mark” in scripture can also be interpreted the same as the word “seal”. And so you might ask what is the seal or mark of God?

God’s seal in our forehead is His words written in our hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit. Here is proof in
2 Corinthians 1:22 “Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

And also here in
Ephesians 1:13 “In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,” And also here in Ephesians 4:30 “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

This sign of writing Gods word on your forehead was symbolized many times in the Old Testament. As in
Deuteronomy 6:8 “And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.” And here in Deuteronomy 11:18 “Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.”

Many Orthodox Jews still literally bind the words on their foreheads and on their hands because they don’t understand it was given for a sign of what God would do by His Spirit. When God says it is for a “sign” then it means it is given to symbolize something else. Much in the same way the circumcision was also given as a “token” or “sign” between God and His people, which also speaks of the spiritual circumcision of the heart.

What I would also like for you to notice here in the seal, or mark of God in the forehead is that the mark of the beast is also wording in the same manner “in their forehead”. Look here in Revelation 13:16 “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:”

Be not deceived, the mark of the beast is not a physical mark to be stamped on the outside, it is a spiritual mark which is received on the inside (heart and mind).
It is works salvation and it's not some future marking, it's been around since Cain.... Most "Christians" today have the mark of the beast.
 

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There are no Christians that have the mark of the beast today. It is a physical mark that is to be willingly received either in the forehead or the right hand. It is a future event administered by the beast that is assisted by the false prophet. The bible says that if it was possible that a true Christian would be deceived. It said if it were possible, not that it was possible.
 
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Yes on the spiritual marks and the antichrist .......but the rest of this?

The gift of being able to interpret prophecy isn't received by most.
We should all really pray hard before we begin to teach any of it.
I would never attempt to do so.
Especially when our "truths" can really be just clever and creative lies and odd guesswork.

If you are saying what I think you are trying to say, than this post grossly underestimates who/what the false prophet is.

So the debate continues on prophecy.
The false prophet spirit (spirit of a lie) is at work in many deceivers as written, let's confirm by scripture

So this spirit working in many deceivers may come in the name of Christ, and even portray that same visible outward image,(sheep’s clothing) but their doctrine prove they are truly of the Dragon. (lies)


Jesus said in
Matthew 24:5 “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” And also in Luke 21:8 “And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.”

So again, we see many deceivers who will put on that outward lamb image, but those that know Christs voice shall also know they speak like a Dragon. (lies)


Also we read in
Revelation 13:13 “And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, So these false prophets will work wonders, but note the last part of that verse “in the sight of men”, which means in the eyes of men they will be great wonders. But we are told in the next verse that he “deceives them that dwell on the earth by means of those miracles” So they are false miracles(or even lying wonders)

2 Thessalonians 2:9 “Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,”
Alright, before I get back to the “eyes of men” part, let’s confirm again how there were to be many false prophets doing signs and wonders. Matthew 24:24 “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:22 “For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
And again here in 1 John 4:1 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” So that confirms without a doubt by many verses of scripture that there would be many false prophets who would be of that same spirit of antichrist showing signs and lying wonders in the sight of men.

Which brings us back to why “in the sight of men” is mentioned in that verse. The sight is how one sees things, or perceives things, and even understands things. That is why we saw in the little horn in
Daniel 7:8 “I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.”

This is the sign of the
carnally minded man who judges things based on outward appearances. The Lord told Samuel in
1 Samuel 16:7 “But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.”

Job asked of the Lord in
Job 10:4 Hast thou eyes of flesh? or seest thou as man seeth? As Jesus told the carnally minded men in his day John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. Because the Lord does not see things as men see things Isaiah 11:3 “And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:”

This judging after the
flesh (outwardly) is what the firstborn nature in man does because he also is carnally minded and he only knows what he knows naturally. And so having the eyes of man to see, they still do not perceive the spiritual things of God. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

Jeremiah 5:21 “Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

It is those elect who have been given eyes of understanding, with their eyes being enlightened by the Holy Spirit of God which shall not be deceived. Ephesians 1:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:[SUP]18 [/SUP]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
 
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It is works salvation and it's not some future marking, it's been around since Cain.... Most "Christians" today have the mark of the beast.

Interesting. However, the word "mark" in the Strong's is # 5480 which is 'charagma' meaning "a scratch or an etc hing, i.e., stamp (as a badge of servitude) or sculptured figure (statue) graven, mark
 
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To the OP, tell me again what the mark is, what is it that we won't be able to buy and sell, what/who are the two witnesses, and will Christ come back to earth on a white horse.
 
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And would you please tell who and where you did the copy and paste on for the original post. You should always share that info when you do it, you know.
 
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There are no Christians that have the mark of the beast today. It is a physical mark that is to be willingly received either in the forehead or the right hand. It is a future event administered by the beast that is assisted by the false prophet. The bible says that if it was possible that a true Christian would be deceived. It said if it were possible, not that it was possible.
Interesting. However, the word "mark" in the Strong's is # 5480 which is 'charagma' meaning "a scratch or an etc hing, i.e., stamp (as a badge of servitude) or sculptured figure (statue) graven, mark. I don't see why this could not be a real and physical mark. People will fall in line for it as if to prove and say, "Now everyone will know who I stand for"? It's pride which Satan was cast out because of. Not everything is symbolic or an allegory. When in the future a "mark? is compulsory, would it be permissible to take it and fake it? I do not think so.
 
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To the OP, tell me again what the mark is, what is it that we won't be able to buy and sell, what/who are the two witnesses, and will Christ come back to earth on a white horse.
That's a lot you ask, and no easy way to show it but by scripture. But this will give you a little more insight into what the mark is, and notice in this how Esau sold his birthright over the red pottage. (that's a clue)

In Revelation 12:3 we read “And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” The great red dragon in this verse is a symbolism of Satan, the Devil, or the Serpent as he has many names. But you ever wonder why he is shown as red? I believe it because it is clue for us to understand the nature of the man/beast, which by the way is also shown as red (scarlet).

Revelation 17:3; “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.” Again the color is a clue to figure out the nature of the beast, which is also the nature of the firstborn man.

Adam being the first man to have
iniquity found in him is also a sign of this very thing; just as the name of Adam means earthly, red. To confirm this sign we are also given a clue in Esau, who was also the firstborn.
Genesis 25:25; “And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.” Who also by the way sold his birthright over some red pottage. Genesis 25:30; “And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.” ( Edom means red, earthly, of blood.)

More insight into the sign of the firstborn
Esau is also shown here in
Romans 9:13; “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.” Why was this statement made by the Lord? If you back up to verse 8 we see the meaning in Romans 9:8; “That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”

So now we begin to see the firstborn
nature of man is flesh, or carnally minded like natural brute beasts. Jesus confirms this truth here in
John 3:6; “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” And is also shown here 1 Corinthians 15:46; “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.”

The difference between the flesh (
carnally mind man) and the Spirit (spiritually minded man) also shows the difference between the serpents seed and the womans seed; and is also why the firstborn man persecutes those who are born again of God’s Holy Spirit.
Galatians 4:29; “But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.” Even as Cain the firstborn of Adam killed his righteous brother Abel and then received a “mark.”

In this we also see the
firstborn nature of man has a different spirit working in him than that of God’s heavenly Spirit. Just as the Lord said in Genesis 6:3 My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh:”


This spirit in the
firstborn carnally minded man is earthly, lustful and is also of this world; which is also the same spirit of the Red Dragon, or prince of this world. We see the red dragon empowers the scarlet beast which comes up out of the sea.
Revelation 13:2; “And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 13:4; “And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?”

If we worship our heavenly Father and His Lamb in the Spirit of Truth and in righteousness; how do you suppose the
firstborn man worships the red dragon and the scarlet beast?


And perhaps in better understanding these spiritual things, it will also help one to understand the
mark of the beast, and also the image of the beast they truly worship through the lusts of their own flesh.


So you still might be wondering what is that
red mark shown in the firstborn man of sin, and the red dragon, and the scarlet colored beast?


The answer is found right here in
Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”
 
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All you're doing is dodging the questions. They are simple answers. As a matter of fact, you got one right. Since you don't seem to be aware of that, it makes me wonder, as it does others, where you got this info. That part you haven't shared.
 
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All you're doing is dodging the questions. They are simple answers. As a matter of fact, you got one right. Since you don't seem to be aware of that, it makes me wonder, as it does others, where you got this info. That part you haven't shared.
Patience. lol go to the website at www.therevelationojc.com if you want all those other questions answered.

I have to go fix dinner now, so don't think I'm dodging your questions.