Revelation 13 - the interpretation

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And I, John, stood upon the sand of the sea of Patmos, and saw in a vision America rise out of the sea, having peoples of the seven continents, and the European Americans with crowns on them.

And I saw one of America's people as it were, wounded via slavery, and their slavery was healed, and all the world wondered after the beast.

And all the world worshipped America, which gave power to the beast, and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is able to go against them?

And the beast was given a mouthpiece to speak against the European Americans.

And the beast was given power over the European Americans. And power was given them over all the peoples of America.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship the beast, whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life.

Therefore, if any man hath an ear let him hear this:

He that leads others into bondage to the wounded people, will himself go into bondage to them...and he that speaks against the wounded people will himself be spoken against.

And I, John, saw a leader of the wounded people rise up.

And he exercised all the power of the wounded people before him, and he caused America and all that dwell therein to worship his people, whose slavery was healed.

And he appealed to the heart and conscience of the European Americans.

And he deceived the European Americans, telling them that they should make an image of his wounded people.

And he caused his wounded people to sue and to take away the livelihood of European Americans who discrimminate against them.

And he caused all European Americans; the small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to accept his wounded people.

And he caused that no business might buy or sell that discrimminate against the wounded people.

Now here is wisdom. Calculate the number of the wounded people (the 10 horns), by the number of man (6). For the beast is that of a race of man, whose number when calculated is 600, and 60, and 6.
 

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I hope your not serious, if you are, you are grossly adding to the bible.
 
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No way is Australia ever going to worship America. We have too much of a tall-poppy syndrome attitude towards high achievers, excessive patriotism and political bull.
 

Bookends

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Why America and not USSR or China?
 

Bookends

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Nope, not adding to, just interpreting.
sounds like your are pretty sure by stating in the title "the interpretation" instead of "a interpretation".
 
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Why America and not USSR or China?
Because America is the only nation on the planet that fits the description of that beast nation that John saw rising out of the sea in chapter 13, and which he described as BABYLON THE GREAT in chapter 17.
 
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Abiding

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Ill wait to see how your gona work in Obama and Scoobydoo into this.
 
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To: [size=+2]Genniet[/size]

This is not called interpreting; this is called muddying the truth, confusion , Babylon, omitting whole verses & words and twisting.....There is no need to interpret what God has already interpreted. I'm not attacking you , But I am attacking what your doing. And I have to seriously question if some one has ulterior motives, when I see something like this : ->


Genniet's Fake:
And I, John, stood upon the sand of the sea of Patmos, and saw in a vision America rise out of the sea, having peoples of the seven continents, and the European Americans with crowns on them.

You mention 7 continents, but then you single out just America and Europe ??? And the Crowns are not on them, they are on ten kings. Your not given a right there to change that.

REAL: Rev 13:1
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.


Genniet's Fake:
And I saw one of America's people as it were, wounded via slavery, and their slavery was healed, and all the world wondered after the beast.

<---?!? (America & slavery??? There is no subject to support that?) I like How you intentionally left out Dragon which is Satan in the verse...(rev 12:9) Slavery has no place here. IF you continue reading throughout Revelation, Babylon is mentioned. The base of Babylon means ""Confusion" which you are working hard for right now in your post- willingly or unwillingly.

Real:
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.................

Real: ( you Omitted this verse , only using part of the last line, and left out Dragon)
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.................


Genniet's Fake:
And all the world worshiped America, which gave power to the beast, and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is able to go against them?

They worshiped American ?!? No no ; they worshiped the Dragon, The Dragon is Satan. Read->Real : Revelation 12:9
(KJV)
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and"""""""""" ~Satan,~""""""""" which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Real:
4 And they worshipped the "dragon" which gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


Genniet's Fake:
And the beast was given a mouthpiece to speak against the European Americans.
And the beast was given power over the European Americans. And power was given them over all the peoples of America.

What ?!? It says speak against God. God! Not White Americans!. They Blasphemy God., His name and His tabernacle and them, that dwell in Heaven! . Are you talking about white Europeans in Heaven ?? Come on mature , please.... \/ And you Omitted the 42 Months or 3 and a half years@!. When it doesn't fit, just toss God's word aside I guess. No one is going to get far with that simple kind of thinking. Overcoming all Americans ??????????? No. it says all the World ,all kindreds, Tongues(languages) ,and nations. That means all the world not American alone. \/

Real:
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Real:
Real:
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Real:
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Genniet's Fake:
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship the beast, whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life.

What?!? They worshiped the "him", not the beast. him who ? They worshiped Dragon of verse 4!


Real:
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

And they will worship Satan's if Satan is able to confuse Christians to this degree, he won't have any problems when he gets here.


Genniet's Fake :
Therefore, if any man hath an ear let him hear this:


People who have hears to hear will not here that Why? Because they have hears to hear.


Real:
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.



Genniet's Fake:
He that leads others into bondage to the wounded people, will himself go into bondage to them...and he that speaks against the wounded people will himself be spoken against.


Real:
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Be in captivity to Christ. Not Satan.


Genniet's Fake :
And I, John, saw a leader of the wounded people rise up.


You just ripped out of that scripture That he had two horns like a lamb, meaning he looks like Christ , but he speaks as a Dragon. You Omitted that!!! You think God will be happy with some one leaving out that?? Leading the sheep right into the wolfs den ?????

Real: ->
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Genniet's Fake:
And he exercised all the power of the wounded people before him, and he caused America and all that dwell therein to worship his people, whose slavery was healed.

You Took out earth, you added America, you took out the first beast, you added his people, you Omitted wound, you added Slavery

Real:
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Deadly wound is the system being broken, war or eccomonic issues, it is healed because of The Dragon at his arrival ( rev 12:9) Stop adding Slavery. The Slavery comming will be to Satan's lies and Miricals .


Genniet's Fake :
And he appealed to the heart and conscience of the European Americans.

Wow, just wow. You ,this- totally Ignored verse 13!. Bad fruit , so vile thistles . This is going on with a lot of people not just Genniet.

REAL:
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

He performs supernatural miracles in the sight men, making fire,( Lightning in the Greek) come down from heaven on earth , and they will be great wonders in the sight of the Biblically illiterate .


Now, im not going to help you, Now you note the differences. >>>>>>>


Genniet's Fake:
And he deceived the European Americans, telling them that they should make an image of his wounded people.

REAL:
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Genniet's Fake:
And he caused his wounded people to sue and to take away the livelihood of European Americans who discrimminate against them.

REAL:
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Genniet's Fake:
And he caused all European Americans; the small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to accept his wounded people.


REAL:
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Genniet's Fake:
And he caused that no business might buy or sell that discrimminate against the wounded people.


REAL:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six..........

Conclusion :
Bad fruit .
 
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I have no doubt that "America" (as a political power) will do some things in the future that will have major impact on the world, for both good and bad. ... and I would not be one bit surprised if America (and China and the Russians if they ever get the economy for it) at some point were up to no good. However, I don't see what good it would do anyone to interpret scripture to apply it to nations or leaders.

PS Who are "European Americans"?
 
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She did work in Obama. Reread it. (the leader)

Nope, the leader I referenced was MLK. King's the other beast that John saw in verse 11.

However, Daniel may well have mentioned Obama's presidency in verse 7 of chapter 12.
Notice:
"and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people (the Christian people), all these things shall be finished."
 
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To: [SIZE=+2]Genniet[/SIZE]

This is not called interpreting; this is called muddying the truth, confusion , Babylon, omitting whole verses & words and twisting.....There is no need to interpret what God has already interpreted. I'm not attacking you , But I am attacking what your doing. And I have to seriously question if some one has ulterior motives, when I see something like this : ->


Genniet's Fake:
And I, John, stood upon the sand of the sea of Patmos, and saw in a vision America rise out of the sea, having peoples of the seven continents, and the European Americans with crowns on them.

You mention 7 continents, but then you single out just America and Europe ??? And the Crowns are not on them, they are on ten kings. Your not given a right there to change that.

REAL: Rev 13:1
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.


Genniet's Fake:
And I saw one of America's people as it were, wounded via slavery, and their slavery was healed, and all the world wondered after the beast.

<---?!? (America & slavery??? There is no subject to support that?) I like How you intentionally left out Dragon which is Satan in the verse...(rev 12:9) Slavery has no place here. IF you continue reading throughout Revelation, Babylon is mentioned. The base of Babylon means ""Confusion" which you are working hard for right now in your post- willingly or unwillingly.

Real:
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.................

Real: ( you Omitted this verse , only using part of the last line, and left out Dragon)
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.................


Genniet's Fake:
And all the world worshiped America, which gave power to the beast, and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is able to go against them?

They worshiped American ?!? No no ; they worshiped the Dragon, The Dragon is Satan. Read->Real : Revelation 12:9
(KJV)
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and"""""""""" ~Satan,~""""""""" which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Real:
4 And they worshipped the "dragon" which gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


Genniet's Fake:
And the beast was given a mouthpiece to speak against the European Americans.
And the beast was given power over the European Americans. And power was given them over all the peoples of America.

What ?!? It says speak against God. God! Not White Americans!. They Blasphemy God., His name and His tabernacle and them, that dwell in Heaven! . Are you talking about white Europeans in Heaven ?? Come on mature , please.... \/ And you Omitted the 42 Months or 3 and a half years@!. When it doesn't fit, just toss God's word aside I guess. No one is going to get far with that simple kind of thinking. Overcoming all Americans ??????????? No. it says all the World ,all kindreds, Tongues(languages) ,and nations. That means all the world not American alone. \/

Real:
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Real:
Real:
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Real:
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Genniet's Fake:
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship the beast, whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life.

What?!? They worshiped the "him", not the beast. him who ? They worshiped Dragon of verse 4!


Real:
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

And they will worship Satan's if Satan is able to confuse Christians to this degree, he won't have any problems when he gets here.


Genniet's Fake :
Therefore, if any man hath an ear let him hear this:


People who have hears to hear will not here that Why? Because they have hears to hear.


Real:
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.



Genniet's Fake:
He that leads others into bondage to the wounded people, will himself go into bondage to them...and he that speaks against the wounded people will himself be spoken against.


Real:
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Be in captivity to Christ. Not Satan.


Genniet's Fake :
And I, John, saw a leader of the wounded people rise up.


You just ripped out of that scripture That he had two horns like a lamb, meaning he looks like Christ , but he speaks as a Dragon. You Omitted that!!! You think God will be happy with some one leaving out that?? Leading the sheep right into the wolfs den ?????

Real: ->
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Genniet's Fake:
And he exercised all the power of the wounded people before him, and he caused America and all that dwell therein to worship his people, whose slavery was healed.

You Took out earth, you added America, you took out the first beast, you added his people, you Omitted wound, you added Slavery

Real:
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Deadly wound is the system being broken, war or eccomonic issues, it is healed because of The Dragon at his arrival ( rev 12:9) Stop adding Slavery. The Slavery comming will be to Satan's lies and Miricals .


Genniet's Fake :
And he appealed to the heart and conscience of the European Americans.

Wow, just wow. You ,this- totally Ignored verse 13!. Bad fruit , so vile thistles . This is going on with a lot of people not just Genniet.

REAL:
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

He performs supernatural miracles in the sight men, making fire,( Lightning in the Greek) come down from heaven on earth , and they will be great wonders in the sight of the Biblically illiterate .


Now, im not going to help you, Now you note the differences. >>>>>>>


Genniet's Fake:
And he deceived the European Americans, telling them that they should make an image of his wounded people.

REAL:
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Genniet's Fake:
And he caused his wounded people to sue and to take away the livelihood of European Americans who discrimminate against them.

REAL:
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Genniet's Fake:
And he caused all European Americans; the small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to accept his wounded people.


REAL:
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Genniet's Fake:
And he caused that no business might buy or sell that discrimminate against the wounded people.


REAL:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six..........

Conclusion :
Bad fruit .
Yes, it IS called interpreting. We ALL do it, including yourself.

Mine just happens to be the correct interpretation.
 
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Nope, the leader I referenced was MLK. King's the other beast that John saw in verse 11.

However, Daniel may well have mentioned Obama's presidency in verse 7 of chapter 12.
Notice:
"and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people (the Christian people), all these things shall be finished."
Bad fruit.
 
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nathan3

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Yes, it IS called interpreting. We ALL do it, including yourself.

Mine just happens to be the correct interpretation.
I allow scripture to speak for its self.... I do not interpret what God has already..... What you did is called bad fruit. And omitting what is written. And adding. And twisting. I Showed where you changed things. And anyone with some oxygen in the brain can see for themselves.
 
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Yes, it IS called interpreting. We ALL do it, including yourself.

Mine just happens to be the correct interpretation.
How do you know?

Is your interpretation equal with scripture?
 
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How do you know?

Is your interpretation equal with scripture?
Stop giving her chance to add more non sense. You read what she changed already didn't you ? If not scroll down and read.
 

Blain

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Genniet, you have to be very careful when you interpret things. Escpecailly if you say it is the right interpretation because the devil knows the bible well and will easilly fill your head with certain things when you try to interpret. I noticed how you took out words and put in words like Amarica. euopian ameracans and such, i do not recomend messing with the word of god. The word of god must be treated with care because it is a powerful fire and with one who knows its power be it a good or evil person it can be used as a weapon. Honestly your interpretation confused me just plz be careful and wait on the lord to tell you if what you say is right because if you are speaking things against what the lord says he may not be a happy camper
 
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It is not that she is a bad fruit. It is that she forgot to say....this is what I think....it could be saying.....Simply, she forgot to talk in the subjunctive. But, then again, she did say that her interpretation was the correct one. That, itself, is a totally different subject which needs to be addressed. If she is correct, then what a troubling thought she has placed on black americans.
 

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And I, John, stood upon the sand of the sea of Patmos, and saw in a vision America rise out of the sea, having peoples of the seven continents, and the European Americans with crowns on them.

And I saw one of America's people as it were, wounded via slavery, and their slavery was healed, and all the world wondered after the beast.

And all the world worshipped America, which gave power to the beast, and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is able to go against them?

And the beast was given a mouthpiece to speak against the European Americans.

And the beast was given power over the European Americans. And power was given them over all the peoples of America.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship the beast, whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life.

Therefore, if any man hath an ear let him hear this:

He that leads others into bondage to the wounded people, will himself go into bondage to them...and he that speaks against the wounded people will himself be spoken against.

And I, John, saw a leader of the wounded people rise up.

And he exercised all the power of the wounded people before him, and he caused America and all that dwell therein to worship his people, whose slavery was healed.

And he appealed to the heart and conscience of the European Americans.

And he deceived the European Americans, telling them that they should make an image of his wounded people.

And he caused his wounded people to sue and to take away the livelihood of European Americans who discrimminate against them.

And he caused all European Americans; the small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to accept his wounded people.

And he caused that no business might buy or sell that discrimminate against the wounded people.

Now here is wisdom. Calculate the number of the wounded people (the 10 horns), by the number of man (6). For the beast is that of a race of man, whose number when calculated is 600, and 60, and 6.
Are you in the Klan?