*** Revelation Chapter 12***

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Hi Ahwa: You have a style of bible interpretation that looks to me like you are reading yourself into the bible. You arbitrarily decide that something in scripture can be changed or given a different meaning, by using that method a person can truly find anything they want in the bible or for that matter in any written message since the person is actually creating the contents to conform to their will.
 
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***I'm sorry to say this sounds like Replacement Theology which is false***the Woman is Israel and she gave birth to the manchild (Christ), since Christ came through the loins of David***We Support and Bless Israel and believe many are, and will be saved in the upcoming days...Grace and Peace...

Which Israel is that seeing all Israel are not born of the incorruptible Spirit of Christ as the new creatures? Just as in the same way which kind of Jew one outwardly of the corruprf flesh or inwardly of the Spirit?

1Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
 
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***I'm sorry to say this sounds like Replacement Theology which is false***the Woman is Israel and she gave birth to the manchild (Christ), since Christ came through the loins of David***We Support and Bless Israel and believe many are, and will be saved in the upcoming days...Grace and Peace...
No such thing as replacement theology in respect to that parable. She is the bride of Christ as the mother of us all. She is made up of Jews and Gentiles(new creature) .One wife, one gospel. That is unless you replace the Spirit with the corrupted flesh of a Jew and God was a respecter of persons.
 

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I will type out Chapter 12 of Revelation soon**** some questions to consider: 1. Woman clothed with the sun? 2. Great Red Dragon? 3. Are you in the Tribulation?
These are sybolic, not literal. Jesus was inside Mary- so she was clothed with the sun (symbolizing spiritual light and majesty)- not for her, but for Christ within her.

The dragon sybolizes satan. And with his 'tail' he took 1/3 of the angels in heaven (who are now called demons) to the earth with him, when he fell from heaven.

Sure we're in the great tribulation. We suffer trials, hardships, and persecutions of varying degrees. We are in the "last days." The last days are from Christ's ascension into heaven, until His return. I bet those who experienced the holocaust, who seen piles of dead bodies as tall as buildings, thought that it was the end of the world literally, but the end is still to come.
 

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REVELATION CHAPTER 12:1-12 **** "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven--a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars, And she, being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and, behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seen crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven and did cast them to the earth; and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered, to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a male child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, who deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ; for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
***Why is the Church not in the Tribulation***consider 3 reasons***The Jews are now preaching (144,000)***Angels are preaching the Gospel***The Two Witnesses are preaching the Gospel***The Church will bring in the Harvest and be Raptured, since they have completed their mission...
 

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Revelation 12:13-17 "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman who brought forth the male child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was angry with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." ***
 

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Revelation 12:13-17 "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the women who brought forth the male child. And to the women were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was angry with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." We see that Israel is in the Tribulation, but we don't see the Church ...
***God will intervene to help the Jews during the Tribulation***pray for Israel now that many will be saved***Let God Arise and His enemies be scattered (Psalm 68:1)...