Rightly Dividing The Word of Truth

[just-us-2]

[h=3]Just a reminder of how it is supposed to be done....

II Tim 2:15
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”[/h]
Per the KJV Scofield III Study Bible:
WORD - John 1:1 states, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
TRUTH – Ephesians 4:21 states, “If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:”
TRUTH – John 14:6 states, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Per the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance:
RIGHTLY – in a straight manner; correctly DIVIDING – to make a straight cut, i.e. to dissect (expound) (dissect from Webster’s meaning: to analyze critically; examine) correctly [the divine message]. The meaning passed from the idea of cutting or “dividing” to the more general sense of “rightly dealing with a thing.” What is intended here is not “dividing” Scripture from Scripture, but teaching Scripture accurately, carefully discerning each nuance (from Webster’s meaning: a slight difference in anything perceptible to the mind).
WORD – also defined as Christ
TRUTH – the manifested, factual essence of a matter. Further defined, Truth, in all it’s fullness and scope is embodied in Jesus.

Conclusion:
If one takes the definitions of ‘dividing’, ‘word’, and ‘truth’ in the literal sense, it would seem that we are to separate the Scripture and understand that certain Scripture is written to certain people or churches and not for us as Christians. This could lead one to believe that certain parts of the Bible are not necessary for the modern day Christian.
If one takes the definitions of ‘dividing’, ‘word’, and ‘truth in the Spiritual sense, as the Bible is a Spiritual book, we find it is commanded to CORRECTLY EXPOUND ON, ACCURATELY TEACH, and CAREFULLY EXAMINE AND DISCERN God’s essence manifested through the Bible. You can’t separate God from God.

 

[nathan3]

This simply means we have to study. See it could be hard to understand the book of James for example , if we did not rightly divide it. When you understand who it is written to, then you can understand who the "we" and "they" and "them" are referring to. This helps us to understand what we are supposed to know. That is All of the Bible we should have a fairly good grasp of. We got to read it everyday. But I don't want to be mistaken as saying I think its not to us today. If your a Christians, then its most defiantly for you.

 

[1disciple]

You better be careful or you're going to get the charismatics in here calling you a bibliolatrist and a pharisaical legalist.

Of course, Jesus said, "Διὰ τοῦτο πᾶς γραμματεὺς μαθητευθεὶς εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τῶν οὐρανῶν ὅμοιός ἐστιν ἀνθρώπῳ οἰκοδεσπότῃ ὅστις ἐκβάλλει ἐκ τοῦ θησαυροῦ αὐτοῦ καινὰ καὶ παλαιά" -- ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 13:52.

So I wouldn't worry about them too much.

 

[just-us-2]

You better be careful or you're going to get the charismatics in here calling you a bibliolatrist and a pharisaical legalist.

Of course, Jesus said, "Διὰ τοῦτο πᾶς γραμματεὺς μαθητευθεὶς εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τῶν οὐρανῶν ὅμοιός ἐστιν ἀνθρώπῳ οἰκοδεσπότῃ ὅστις ἐκβάλλει ἐκ τοῦ θησαυροῦ αὐτοῦ καινὰ καὶ παλαιά" -- ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 13:52.

So I wouldn't worry about them too much.

Thank you for your concern and warning, but I've been called worse After being called Satan in cc, "bibliolatrist and a pharisaical legalist" are pretty benign. I really do appreciate you looking out for my welfare, though.

I also like verses 13-15 in that same chapter..reminds me of what my dad used to tell my brothers and me when someone said something mean or rude when we were kids. He said "Consider the source" to let us know how unimportant insults really are.

Matthew 13:13-15 (CJB)
13 Here is why I speak to them in parables: they look without seeing and listen without hearing or understanding.
14 That is, in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Yesha`yahu which says, `You will keep on hearing but never understand, and keep on seeing but never perceive,
15 because the heart of this people has become dull -- with their ears they barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, so as not to see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their heart, and do t'shuvah, so that I could heal them.'

God bless you.

 

[posthuman]

Of course, Jesus said, "Διὰ τοῦτο πᾶς γραμματεὺς μαθητευθεὶς εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τῶν οὐρανῶν ὅμοιός ἐστιν ἀνθρώπῳ οἰκοδεσπότῃ ὅστις ἐκβάλλει ἐκ τοῦ θησαυροῦ αὐτοῦ καινὰ καὶ παλαιά" -- ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΤΘΑΙΟΝ 13:52.

are you sure He said it in Greek?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If one takes the definitions of ‘dividing’, ‘word’, and ‘truth’ in the literal sense, it would seem that we are to separate the Scripture and understand that certain Scripture is written to certain people or churches and not for us as Christians. This could lead one to believe that certain parts of the Bible are not necessary for the modern day Christian

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Perhaps you could disambiguate this sentence. Do you mean this in terms of edification and instruction, or in terms of laws that must be obeyed?

 

[1disciple]

are you sure He said it in Greek?

Well, you have a point. I should have written

ܐܳܡܰܪ ܠܗܽܘܢ ܡܶܛܽܠ ܗܳܢܳܐ ܟ݁ܽܠ ܣܳܦ݂ܪܳܐ ܕ݁ܡܶܬ݁ܬ݁ܰܠܡܰܕ݂ ܠܡܰܠܟ݁ܽܘܬ݂ ܫܡܰܝܳܐ ܕ݁ܳܡܶܐ ܠܓ݂ܰܒ݂ܪܳܐ ܡܳܪܶܐ ܒ݁ܰܝܬ݁ܳܐ ܕ݁ܡܰܦ݁ܶܩ ܡܶܢ ܣܺܝܡܳܬ݂ܶܗ ܚܰܕ݂݈ܬ݁ܳܬ݂ܳܐ ܘܥܰܬ݁ܺܝܩܳܬ݂ܳܐ
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[just-us-2]

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Perhaps you could disambiguate this sentence. Do you mean this in terms of edification and instruction, or in terms of laws that must be obeyed?

Strictly in terms of edification. I have much better things to do than pick arguments and stir the pot

in the forums.

 

[just-me]

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Perhaps you could disambiguate this sentence. Do you mean this in terms of edification and instruction, or in terms of laws that must be obeyed?

If ya don't know the answer I ain't gonna tell ya.

"Disambiguate" sounds like a very intelligent word, but I can't find it in my dictionary. Now ambiguous, as I understand it, means doubtful, and I think that's what she meant by saying "This could lead one to believe that certain parts of the Bible are not necessary for the modern day Christian."

So I guess your invented word "Disambiguate" means that you would like her to explain that sentence so you can understand it?

2 Timothy 2:23-26 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Strictly in terms of edification. I have much better things to do than pick arguments and stir the pot

in the forums.

Thank you. I likewise think that rightly dividing the word means discerning the spiritual truth of scripture, and that all scripture is useful for edification.

Perhaps you could provide some examples of what it means to 'separate the Scripture' and believe that certain parts of the Bible are not necessary for the modern day Christian. I can't say that I really understand what you're saying in this regard.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If ya don't know the answer I ain't gonna tell ya.

What a gentleman...

"Disambiguate" sounds like a very intelligent word, but I can't find it in my dictionary.

Sounds like you're working with an outdated dictionary. Time to upgrade > Disambiguate | Define Disambiguate at Dictionary.com

dis·am·big·u·ate
ˌdisamˈbigyo͞oˌāt/
verb
verb: disambiguate; 3rd person present: disambiguates; past tense: disambiguated; past participle: disambiguated; gerund or present participle: disambiguating

1. remove uncertainty of meaning from (an ambiguous sentence, phrase, or other linguistic unit).

 

[SpiritofFire]

Only the words of Christ can rightly divide the word of truth. Only then can truth be seperates from error.

 

[just-me]

Just a reminder of how it is supposed to be done....

II Tim 2:15
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

Conclusion:
If one takes the definitions of ‘dividing’, ‘word’, and ‘truth’ in the literal sense, it would seem that we are to separate the Scripture and understand that certain Scripture is written to certain people or churches and not for us as Christians. This could lead one to believe that certain parts of the Bible are not necessary for the modern day Christian.
If one takes the definitions of ‘dividing’, ‘word’, and ‘truth in the Spiritual sense, as the Bible is a Spiritual book, we find it is commanded to CORRECTLY EXPOUND ON, ACCURATELY TEACH, and CAREFULLY EXAMINE AND DISCERN God’s essence manifested through the Bible. You can’t separate God from God.

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Perhaps you could disambiguate this sentence. Do you mean this in terms of edification and instruction, or in terms of laws that must be obeyed?

And here is where you present the "law " word of contention, like you always do

If ya don't know the answer I ain't gonna tell ya.

"Disambiguate" sounds like a very intelligent word, but I can't find it in my dictionary. Now ambiguous, as I understand it, means doubtful, and I think that's what she meant by saying "This could lead one to believe that certain parts of the Bible are not necessary for the modern day Christian."

So I guess your invented word "Disambiguate" means that you would like her to explain that sentence so you can understand it?

2 Timothy 2:23-26 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Thank you. I likewise think that rightly dividing the word means discerning the spiritual truth of scripture, and that all scripture is useful for edification.

Perhaps you could provide some examples of what it means to 'separate the Scripture' and believe that certain parts of the Bible are not necessary for the modern day Christian. I can't say that I really understand what you're saying in this regard.

So then you identify her as one that might believe, as you do, that certain parts of the scripture can be ignored, when the Word of God clearly says; 2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

What a gentleman...

Thank you

Sounds like you're working with an outdated dictionary.

You’re right, my dictionary is 45 years old. Thanks again

Time to upgrade > Disambiguate | Define Disambiguate at Dictionary.com

dis·am·big·u·ate
ˌdisamˈbigyo͞oˌāt/
verb
gerund or present participle: disambiguating past participle: disambiguated; past tense: disambiguated; 3rd person present: disambiguates; verb: disambiguate;

1. remove uncertainty of meaning from (an ambiguous sentence, phrase, or other linguistic unit).

God’s Word removes uncertainty if you ask the Holy Spirit to help you to understand the truth. If you really do have a problem, start studying the Bible like it all means something for you today, not just parts of it. If you really are sincere, study all of the Bible like it means something for you today. Then, instead of confronting others to instigate an argument, try confronting God about what He has said and preserved for us in the Bible. You should always search the scriptures to confirm the truth like the Bereans did (Acts 17) I think this brings it right back to just-us 2’s beginning explanation.

If one takes the definitions of ‘dividing’, ‘word’, and ‘truth’ in the literal sense, it would seem that we are to separate the Scripture and understand that certain Scripture is written to certain people or churches and not for us as Christians. This could lead one to believe that certain parts of the Bible are not necessary for the modern day Christian.
If one takes the definitions of ‘dividing’, ‘word’, and ‘truth in the Spiritual sense, as the Bible is a Spiritual book, we find it is commanded to CORRECTLY EXPOUND ON, ACCURATELY TEACH, and CAREFULLY EXAMINE AND DISCERN God’s essence manifested through the Bible. You can’t separate God from God.

So why did you bring up something that she never mentioned like the law, and certain scriptures that aren't important? That’s why I said “If ya don’t know I ain’t gonna tell ya.” It is obvious you are trying to do it again, so I present this to all that read this, so they can see the kind of person you really are. You say love is the fulfilling of the law, and you show very little or none. I like the icon of pot stirrer she gave to you.

 

[p_rehbein]

just us 2 said:

Conclusion:
If one takes the definitions of ‘dividing’, ‘word’, and ‘truth’ in the literal sense, it would seem that we are to separate the Scripture and understand that certain Scripture is written to certain people or churches and not for us as Christians. This could lead one to believe that certain parts of the Bible are not necessary for the modern day Christian.

If you mean that certain parts of the Bible are a record of Scripture and the Nation of Israel, and today's Church is under the New Covenant "GRACE," and not the First Covenant "LAW," then I would have to agree with your "conclusion."

That being said, however, ALL of the Word of God holds true value for ALL believers, and is not to be ignored. For there are many lessons that can be learned from ALL of the Word of God.

(my thoughts)

 

[p_rehbein]

Well, you have a point. I should have written

ܐܳܡܰܪ ܠܗܽܘܢ ܡܶܛܽܠ ܗܳܢܳܐ ܟ݁ܽܠ ܣܳܦ݂ܪܳܐ ܕ݁ܡܶܬ݁ܬ݁ܰܠܡܰܕ݂ ܠܡܰܠܟ݁ܽܘܬ݂ ܫܡܰܝܳܐ ܕ݁ܳܡܶܐ ܠܓ݂ܰܒ݂ܪܳܐ ܡܳܪܶܐ ܒ݁ܰܝܬ݁ܳܐ ܕ݁ܡܰܦ݁ܶܩ ܡܶܢ ܣܺܝܡܳܬ݂ܶܗ ܚܰܕ݂݈ܬ݁ܳܬ݂ܳܐ ܘܥܰܬ݁ܺܝܩܳܬ݂ܳܐ
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I didn't know you spoke in tongues.............gee............

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And here is where you present the "law " word of contention, like you always do

The reason I contend with law-cultists is because they bring GOD's children into bondage and steer them away from Christ. It is spiritual abuse IMO.

So why did you bring up something that she never mentioned like the law, and certain scriptures that aren't important? That’s why I said “If ya don’t know I ain’t gonna tell ya.” It is obvious you are trying to do it again, so I present this to all that read this, so they can see the kind of person you really are. You say love is the fulfilling of the law, and you show very little or none. I like the icon of pot stirrer she gave to you.

You're the one stirring the pot. All I asked for was clarity. Now you're all defensive and antagonistic. The reason I asked was to try to determine if this was another case of law-cultists using veiled, ambiguous language to further their agenda.

God’s Word removes uncertainty if you ask the Holy Spirit to help you to understand the truth. If you really do have a problem, start studying the Bible like it all means something for you today, not just parts of it. If you really are sincere, study all of the Bible like it means something for you today. Then, instead of confronting others to instigate an argument, try confronting God about what He has said and preserved for us in the Bible. You should always search the scriptures to confirm the truth like the Bereans did (Acts 17) I think this brings it right back to just-us 2’s beginning explanation.

Again, I'm not looking for an argument; I'm looking for clarity. People like yourself turn it into an argument because you feel threatened by the realities presented and start attacking the messenger as an instigator.

The title of this thread is 'Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth'. Here's an opportunity for you as a Berean to rightly divide the word of truth. I've asked you before for clarity on this issue, and for some reason you can't give a simple, direct answer. Here's the question again. When Moses and Paul conflict, who do you obey: Moses or Paul? Here's an example:

Paul makes it very clear that if you become circumcised, you are cut off from Christ.

Behold, I, Paul, tell you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing! And again I testify to every man who becomes circumcised, that he is under obligation to keep the whole law. You are estranged from Christ, you who are attempting to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:2-4​

The law of Moses says that every male must be circumcised, and that those not circumcised would be cut off from the covenant.

In the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Leviticus 12:3

The uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis 17:14​

Who should be obeyed: Moses or Paul? Please don't try to equate circumcision in the flesh with circumcision in the heart. The former foreshadows the latter, but they are not the same.

 

[p_rehbein]

Hey, here's a thought:

1st Corinthians 14:6) Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 .) And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 .) For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 .) So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 .) There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 .) Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 .) Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 .) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Just a reminder of how it is supposed to be done....

II Tim 2:15
“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”


Per the KJV Scofield III Study Bible:
WORD - John 1:1 states, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
TRUTH – Ephesians 4:21 states, “If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:”
TRUTH – John 14:6 states, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Per the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance:
RIGHTLY – in a straight manner; correctly DIVIDING – to make a straight cut, i.e. to dissect (expound) (dissect from Webster’s meaning: to analyze critically; examine) correctly [the divine message]. The meaning passed from the idea of cutting or “dividing” to the more general sense of “rightly dealing with a thing.” What is intended here is not “dividing” Scripture from Scripture, but teaching Scripture accurately, carefully discerning each nuance (from Webster’s meaning: a slight difference in anything perceptible to the mind).
WORD – also defined as Christ
TRUTH – the manifested, factual essence of a matter. Further defined, Truth, in all it’s fullness and scope is embodied in Jesus.

Conclusion:
If one takes the definitions of ‘dividing’, ‘word’, and ‘truth’ in the literal sense, it would seem that we are to separate the Scripture and understand that certain Scripture is written to certain people or churches and not for us as Christians. This could lead one to believe that certain parts of the Bible are not necessary for the modern day Christian.
If one takes the definitions. of ‘dividing’, ‘word’, and ‘truth in the Spiritual sense, as the Bible is a Spiritual book, we find it is commanded to CORRECTLY EXPOUND ON, ACCURATELY TEACH, and CAREFULLY EXAMINE AND DISCERN God’s essence manifested through the Bible. You can’t separate God from God.

People start always with an idea - and then perpetuate that idea on Scripture - people can not avoid this.
Unless the Bible is viewed as a whole message, a worldview - we will get inconsistencies - and even then people will get some inconsistencies - thankfully Jesus builds the Church

 

[p_rehbein]

You know, I should have said:



1 Korinther 14:6) 14:6 Nun aber, liebe Brüder, wenn ich zu euch käme und redete mit Zungen, was wäre es euch nütze, so ich nicht mit euch redete entweder durch Offenbarung oder durch Erkenntnis oder durch Weissagung oder durch Lehre?

14:7 Verhält sich's doch auch also mit den Dingen, die da lauten, und doch nicht leben; es sei eine Pfeife oder eine Harfe: wenn sie nicht unterschiedene Töne von sich geben, wie kann man erkennen, was gepfiffen oder geharft wird?

14:8 Und so die Posaune einen undeutlichen Ton gibt, wer wird sich zum Streit rüsten?

14:9 Also auch ihr, wenn ihr mit Zungen redet, so ihr nicht eine deutliche Rede gebet, wie kann man wissen, was geredet ist? Denn ihr werdet in den Wind reden.

14:10 Es ist mancherlei Art der Stimmen in der Welt, und derselben ist keine undeutlich.

14:11 So ich nun nicht weiß der Stimme Bedeutung, werde ich unverständlich sein dem, der da redet, und der da redet, wird mir unverständlich sein.

14:12 Also auch ihr, sintemal ihr euch fleißigt der geistlichen Gaben, trachtet darnach, daß ihr alles reichlich habet, auf daß ihr die Gemeinde bessert.

14:13 Darum, welcher mit Zungen redet, der bete also, daß er's auch auslege.

 

[just-me]

The reason I contend with law-cultists is because they bring GOD's children into bondage and steer them away from Christ. It is spiritual abuse IMO.




You're the one stirring the pot. All I asked for was clarity. Now you're all defensive and antagonistic. The reason I asked was to try to determine if this was another case of law-cultists using veiled, ambiguous language to further their agenda.

There you go again presenting labels about people, and labeling people. Law-cultists is the label that you are endorsing now, bringing things to a confrontation. It's one thing after another.