ROSH HASHANAH VS. YOM TERUAH

[Karraster]

Maybe when he looks upon him whom they pierced...he will weep for Him as one weeps for the loss of a first born son

...well, I was hopin it would be sooner that that!

 

[RedTent]

I hear ya brother. New Testament writings keep repeating "repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand". All thru scripture Yah is pleading with man to return to Him. Repent of what? Return how? Messiah said it best "if you love Me, keep My commands"
Jeremiah 6:16King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

I have noticed, the closer we walk with the Lord the greater our joy, from the family springing from a Godly marriage singing together over the Sabbath supper to putting up a booth in the back yard anticipating a new earth with the Lord.

 

[Karraster]

I have noticed, the closer we walk with the Lord the greater our joy, from the family springing from a Godly marriage singing together over the Sabbath supper to putting up a booth in the back yard anticipating a new earth with the Lord.

Yes, yes. yes. It's like falling in love all over again, when His spirit really gets inside you, and although you believed He existed before, the eyes are opened about how deceived the whole world is.. that satan has stolen the praise and worship that belongs to our Creator. I wonder if that's what the verse in Revelations is talking about..returning to your first love. Do you know?

 

[RedTent]

Yes, yes. yes. It's like falling in love all over again, when His spirit really gets inside you, and although you believed He existed before, the eyes are opened about how deceived the whole world is.. that satan has stolen the praise and worship that belongs to our Creator. I wonder if that's what the verse in Revelations is talking about..returning to your first love. Do you know?

That is really the way it is, like falling in love all over again. When I could finally understand some of the depth of meaning, the power and majesty of the whole of scripture, the explanations of how our world really is, it was as if I had been blind before and with each layer of understanding I can manage it is like giving me eyesight. What is there for us to see has power, beauty, love, that is beyond belief. When I first say the Grand Canyon on a wonderful sunny day, I had something of the same feeling.

 

[Karraster]

That is really the way it is, like falling in love all over again. When I could finally understand some of the depth of meaning, the power and majesty of the whole of scripture, the explanations of how our world really is, it was as if I had been blind before and with each layer of understanding I can manage it is like giving me eyesight. What is there for us to see has power, beauty, love, that is beyond belief. When I first say the Grand Canyon on a wonderful sunny day, I had something of the same feeling.

I hear ya, and it really is all about love. How to love our Maker, how to love our brothers/sisters, and it's not hard to do. With Him all things are possible, and I have found the more truth you obey, the more power He gives you to obey! Observing the weekly Sabbath was major in my walk with Him. It was like, wow, He really washed me with love and forgiveness. Let Him be in control, why would I not? Just do what He says, it's not that hard when you try for Him and He gives you the ability. I'm so looking forward to the upcoming Feast, and many things, like looking deep within me to see if there's any unforgiveness there. Think of the parable where the rich man forgave a bunch of money, then the one just forgiven would not forgive a man for a measly sum. That's all of us if we harbor unforgiveness. We've all been there.

 

[crossnote]

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
(Jas 1:27)

 

[Karraster]

Redtent, I wanted to add, I said it was really all about love, loving our Creator, loving our brothers/sisters...and forgot to add...it's about a WEDDING! Everyone is invited!

 

[john832]

I totally get what you mean. But as it says in Lev. 23:23-25 it says, "In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, etc.
So as long as YAH has us follow His biblical calendar, Yom Teruah will be kept. But it is interesting that it doesn't say forever like the others. I've wandered that myself before. Good point.

The Feast of Trumpets is the shadow of the return of Christ (Col 2:16-17). I think it will be celebrated forever as one of the pivotal events in God's plan.

 

[john832]

The Feast Days are a shadow of God's plan...

Passover - the redemption of man, forgiveness of sin
Days of Unleavened Bread - Putting sin out of our lives
Wave Sheaf - Christ presents Himself to the Father as the perfect Sacrifice for sin
Pentecost - the giving of the Holy Spirit and the early harvest
Trumpets - The return of Christ
Atonement - towfold - the world becoming at one with God and the incarceration of Satan (Lev16)
Tabernacles - Christ dwelling with man for 1000 years, the Millennium
The Last Great Day - The judgment for all of mankind that has not had their opportunity

 

[oldthennew]

we so enjoy an edifying, profitable, teaching thread,
thank you all.

here is an observation:
in the Book of Ezekiel the following feasts are mentioned -
it mentions the
First Day of the first month -
and then it mentions Passover -
and Unleavened Bread -
and the The Feast of Tabernacles -
then these are the ones Not mentioned,
Pentecost -
Trumpets -
Atonement.
we have noticed that through the study of the acrostics
(Psalms & Lamentations) in particular, that a letter is
eliminated or reversed in order, remember the old gospel song,
(GOD IS TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING?)

we just wanted to know if anyone has any thoughts or
ideas, opinions about the Feast Days as recorded in
the (((MYSTERIOUS & SOMETIMES PERPLEXING)))
Book of Ezekiel?

we hope and pray that the tenor and good-will of
this Thread will be a blessing to those who wish
as we do, to learn, enjoy, and share our brother's
and sister's knowledge and wisdom.

 

[ROEH]

we so enjoy an edifying, profitable, teaching thread,
thank you all.

here is an observation:
in the Book of Ezekiel the following feasts are mentioned -
it mentions the
First Day of the first month -
and then it mentions Passover -
and Unleavened Bread -
and the The Feast of Tabernacles -
then these are the ones Not mentioned,
Pentecost -
Trumpets -
Atonement.
we have noticed that through the study of the acrostics
(Psalms & Lamentations) in particular, that a letter is
eliminated or reversed in order, remember the old gospel song,
(GOD IS TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING?)

we just wanted to know if anyone has any thoughts or
ideas, opinions about the Feast Days as recorded in
the (((MYSTERIOUS & SOMETIMES PERPLEXING)))
Book of Ezekiel?

we hope and pray that the tenor and good-will of
this Thread will be a blessing to those who wish
as we do, to learn, enjoy, and share our brother's
and sister's knowledge and wisdom.

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Amen to all you've said here, may we continue in love and respect as we sharpen each other.

Ezekiel is one of my favorite books when it comes to end time prophecy. Now I know that there are many different ways that people believe pertaining to Chapters 40-48. Here is my strong belief in the matter. Since the blueprints of the Ez. temple have never been built ever in history or presently, I would be inclined to assume it is pointing to the millenial reign of Messiah, and will be the temple He rules and reigns from. With that said, concerning the feasts, in ch.s 45 & 46 it says as you have said, it mentions 3 of the 7 feasts. But I would be inclined to not think that the other 4 are gone, for in chapter 46, it speaks of the moedim (appointed times/feasts) also the same in the hebrew text. Which would give indication that all still remain. plus, in the Torah, 3 feasts that YAH was adamant about being kept at the temple were, Pesach(passover), Shavuot(pentecost), and Sukkot(Tabernacles). Those are my thoughts anyways,

Baruchim (blessings)

 

[KohenMatt]

I honestly haven't spent much time in end times prophecy. I got caught up in the whole "Left Behind" thing back in the day. Once I learned that it was an exaggerated (at best) money grab, I bailed on it. God has never prompted me to get back into end times prophecy in any way.

Since then, I've always focused on the here and now.

 

[ROEH]

I honestly haven't spent much time in end times prophecy. I got caught up in the whole "Left Behind" thing back in the day. Once I learned that it was an exaggerated (at best) money grab, I bailed on it. God has never prompted me to get back into end times prophecy in any way.

Since then, I've always focused on the here and now.

My friend, I would have to say that the here and now is endtime prophecy, lol. OY!

 

[KohenMatt]

My friend, I would have to say that the here and now is endtime prophecy, lol. OY!

It could be, it very well could be. And when God prompts me to get back into the study of it, I sure will.

 

[john832]

I honestly haven't spent much time in end times prophecy. I got caught up in the whole "Left Behind" thing back in the day. Once I learned that it was an exaggerated (at best) money grab, I bailed on it. God has never prompted me to get back into end times prophecy in any way.

Since then, I've always focused on the here and now.

The whole "Left Behind" thing was based on the fallacy of the rapture as popularized by John Nelson Darby.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

rosh hashanah and yom teruah are the same thing...rosh hashanah is just a name given to this feast because it happens at the beginning of the hebrew civic year...which is offset by six months from the hebrew ceremonial year which begins in the same month that passover takes place...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

It is claimed that Rosh Hashanah is the new year which come from the babylonian pagan new year celebration of their false gods, that is called Akitu. As scripture clearly proves YAH's new year is the month of Aviv in which Pesach/Matzot falls in along with First Fruits.

this is inaccurate...the hebrew calendar also has a civic year that was used to reckon business transactions and so on...this year began with the feast of trumpets which is why it came to be called 'rosh hashanah'...

this can be seen in scripture from the fact that the year of jubilee began with the feast of trumpets...this is an observance that predated the babylonian influence on israel and therefore it did not originate with babylonian paganism...

 

[ROEH]

rosh hashanah and yom teruah are the same thing...rosh hashanah is just a name given to this feast because it happens at the beginning of the hebrew civic year...which is offset by six months from the hebrew ceremonial year which begins in the same month that passover takes place...

No they're not, simple research proves that rosh hashanah was adopted by Israel during their 70 yrs. captivity in babylon for disobedience of 70 Shemittah's. Same research proves that it originated from the babylonian new year practice of their celebration to their false gods. Yes, it has been made the hebrew civil new year over lapping YAH's Yom Teruah feast of the 7th month. There cannot be 2 new years in the same year, there is only one true new year which is Aviv which as you stated is the same month of Pesach. Rosh Hashanah is not of YAH's word and is NOT connected to YAH's feast. It's as incorrect as claiming xmas is Yeshua's birth.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Ezekiel is one of my favorite books when it comes to end time prophecy. Now I know that there are many different ways that people believe pertaining to Chapters 40-48. Here is my strong belief in the matter. Since the blueprints of the Ez. temple have never been built ever in history or presently, I would be inclined to assume it is pointing to the millenial reign of Messiah, and will be the temple He rules and reigns from. With that said, concerning the feasts, in ch.s 45 & 46 it says as you have said, it mentions 3 of the 7 feasts. But I would be inclined to not think that the other 4 are gone, for in chapter 46, it speaks of the moedim (appointed times/feasts) also the same in the hebrew text. Which would give indication that all still remain. plus, in the Torah, 3 feasts that YAH was adamant about being kept at the temple were, Pesach(passover), Shavuot(pentecost), and Sukkot(Tabernacles).

i disagree...those last chapters of ezekiel are never going to be fulfilled because they were not actually prophetic predictions but conditional instructions instead...these were things that israel was encouraged to do only -if- they fully met the conditions of contrition and repentance...

since they never fully met those conditions but continued to be rebellious...the most they ever got to build was zerubbabel's temple which was later renovated by herod...ezekiel's temple was never built...

and it never will be built because the need for temples and sacrifices has been abolished...the window of opportunity in which israel had the chance to achieve ezekiel's vision has expired...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

No they're not, simple research proves that rosh hashanah was adopted by Israel during their 70 yrs. captivity in babylon for disobedience of 70 Shemittah's. Same research proves that it originated from the babylonian new year practice of their celebration to their false gods. Yes, it has been made the hebrew civil new year over lapping YAH's Yom Teruah feast of the 7th month. There cannot be 2 new years in the same year, there is only one true new year which is Aviv which as you stated is the same month of Pesach. Rosh Hashanah is not of YAH's word and is NOT connected to YAH's feast. It's as incorrect as claiming xmas is Yeshua's birth.

it is clear from leviticus 25 that the year of jubilee began in the seventh month...so the idea of a new year beginning in the seventh month is absolutely biblical...

this has nothing to do with babylon as the year of jubilee predated the babylonians' influence on the israelites...

it is really astounding how -little- many of the 'hebrew roots' people and wannabe 'messianics' actually know about the torah and its laws...