"Rule of First Mention"

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It's about comparing Scripture to Scripture.

The first mention principle allows the Bible student to let the Bible define itself. When a word or phrase is first mentioned in Scripture, the meaning through context will stay true for that word throughout Scripture. Words are important to God, not just meaning. Let me give you an example. Let's say I was reading in 2 Corinthians 4 and I have no idea what the word vessel means.

2 Corinthians 4:6-7 "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us."

I find the first mention of the word vessel in Genesis 43:11, "And their father Israel said unto them, If [it must be] so now, do this; take of the best fruits in the land in your vessels, and carry down the man a present, a little balm, and a little honey, spices, and myrrh, nuts, and almonds:"

Here, we are given that a vessel is something that carries something from one place to another. The vessel here carries the best fruits in the land. So I go back to 2 Corinthians and see that we have in ourselves the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. We are the carriers of that knowledge in this world.

Most first mentions are located in Genesis, the book of beginnings, the book of Job(oldest book), and Matthew, the first book in the new testament. I use this principle frequently when I come across a word that either I don't understand, or I want further explanation.
:alien: indeed my brethren my brother
sisters and unto all
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2 Timoteo: 3. 16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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:8) as it is written
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(history according to human history of languages)

As Old Aramaic had served as a lingua franca in the Neo-Assyrian Empire from the 8th century BCE,[1] linguistic contact with even the oldest stages of Biblical Hebrew is easily accounted for.

During the Babylonian exile, Aramaic became the language spoken by the Jews, and Aramaic square script replaced the Paleo-Hebrew alphabet.[2] After the Achaemenid Empire captured Babylon, Aramaic became the language of culture and learning. King Darius I declared[3] Imperial Aramaic to be the official language of the western half of his empire in 500 BCE, and it is that Imperial Aramaic that forms the basis of Biblical Aramaic.[1]

Biblical Hebrew was gradually reduced to the status of a liturgical language and a language of theological learning, and the Jews of the Second Temple period would have spoken a western form of Old Aramaic until their partial Hellenization from the 3rd century BCE and the eventual emergence of Middle Aramaic in the 3rd century CE.

Biblical Aramaic's relative chronology has been debated mostly in the context of dating the Book of Daniel. In 1929, Rowley argued that its origin must be later than the 6th century BCE and that the language was more similar to the Targums than to the Imperial Aramaic documents available at his time.[4]

Others have argued that the language most closely resembles the 5th century Elephantine papyri and so is a good representative of typical Imperial Aramaic.[5] Kenneth Kitchen takes an agnostic position and states that the Aramaic of the Book of Daniel is compatible with any period from the 5th to early 2nd century BCE.[6]

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But it is a rule of writing said differently. The writing rule is "The first use of the word, particular when defined, sets the terms for that word in the rest of the writing." That doesn't mean it can't be used later on as a metaphor, but to use it as a metaphor, one must first understand the meaning of the word.
I also have no formal training. Sorry in advance for my rambling.I hope it adds to the discussion.

I would agree with what was offered above . Since we are not to lean on our own understanding it would be more like comparing the spiritual "understanding" that God applies to a word (singular ) as the one teacher, to the same spiritual "understanding" presented in a poetic form.

Therefore we compare understanding to understanding.

Even adding to a word designed to be used as singular, making it plural can destroy the authors intention.

Personal poems which I consider the Bible to be more like, need the understanding intended for them. It can be like abstract art that give the understanding of the artist and without his understanding ..its anyone’s guess .

It is I believe, one of the reasons he gives us his loving commandment in Deuteronomy below to help and comfort us from false prophets or false apostles who use their own understanding to draw men unto themselves.Changing the spiritual meaning he applies to a single word can change the direction of the good news.

Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which “I” teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it(singular), that ye may keep the commandments(plural) of the LORD your God which I command you. Deu 4:1

In the above when he is informing us how we can hear Him who has no form. He uses statues, defined as the limit or law of something prescribed, due. Therefore unto or towards judgments, which would be the secret decisions of God's will. When I say secret decisions we must remember he hides the spiritual meaning in parable from natural man. We are informed in that way without parable Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God spoke not.

The word apostle comes to mind as an example . Adding another meaning to that word has caused much confusion among Christianity. In many cases the word apostle has been said it only applies to the New Testament. The Catholic as an example will argue that point to death. It would make their kind of foundation crumble if they did apply God interpretation rather than that of their fathers oral traditions as commandments of men ... Seeing they have added many new meaning to that word so that they can come up with the idea of Apostolic succession, beginning with Peter. . If we would apply the word apostle which simply means sent one to Moses or Abraham as men sent by God... it would destroy their foundation as commandments of men as a private source of faith.. The verse in Deuteronomy applies . This is unlike the warning at the end of prophecy which is in respect to adding more words (plural) to the now perfect/complte Book that we had in apart up, until Revelation.

Song of Songs is a more extreme example of his poetic language or the book of Revelations which is loaded with parables that must be sought out to find the spiritual understanding.

In one sense the whole Bible is God’s love poem to His bride. Likened to Song of Songs, a picture of God singing to us His bride.

Below God is pictured as singing rejoicing over his bride the church.

Zephaniah 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.

Seeing God hides His spiritual understanding from natural man and reveals the understanding of a parable as a honor to His kingdom of priest.. the privilege to search it out . Which all believers are considered Priest from his kingdom ,not of this world. He is considered the King of kings(believers) throughout the scriptures from that standpoint.

I think the spiritual word is the understanding that God attaches to it. Like in the parable below also called a proverb or a by word seeing they all come the same Hebrew word. Personally the word parable works the best for me.

These are also proverbs (parables) of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out.It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the “honour of kings” is to search out a matter. Pro 25:1-2

There I believe he is referring to kings as His priests that he sends to bring the gospel as ambassadors for Christ sent from a foreign land in respect to the new Jerusalem, which is typified as His bride the church..It is from that vantage point that Christians have their born again birth rights kept from moths and rust.The corruptible things

The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable. Pro 25:4

Because the heart of God is unsearchable without his revelation, as His interpretation. I believe it helps us understand why he informs us our hearts are something we cannot know . Seeing they are simply a judgement hall that either accuses us or excuses us. We therefore are not the standard.His interpretation the bible is.

Pro 25:4 Take away the dross from the silver, and there shall come forth a vessel for the finer.

In that verse he uses silver to identify His wife the church as it is cleaned by the water of the word the gospel of our salvation.

Pro 25:5 Take away the wicked from before the king, and his throne shall be established in righteousness.

The king there is twofold with Christ, as our King of kings

Pro 25:6 Put not forth thyself in the presence of the king, and stand not in the place of great men:
 
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These are also proverbs (parables) of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out.It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the “honour of kings” is to search out a matter. Pro 25:1-2

This is an interesting verse to look at in the Hebrew:
[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
Proverbs 25:2 (KJV)

The word for "a thing" and "matter" is the same Hebrew word, which means "word".

H1697 dabar (daw-baw') n-m.

1. a word
2. (by implication) a matter (as spoken of) or thing

So, a better translation would be this:

It is the glory of God to conceal a word, but the honor of Kings to search out a word.

It just looks a little different when you go to the Hebrew.

Then you can take it back to the first mention, which is Genesis 11.1

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Genesis 11:1 (KJV)
 

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This is an interesting verse to look at in the Hebrew:
[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
Proverbs 25:2 (KJV)

The word for "a thing" and "matter" is the same Hebrew word, which means "word".

H1697 dabar (daw-baw') n-m.

1. a word
2. (by implication) a matter (as spoken of) or thing

So, a better translation would be this:

It is the glory of God to conceal a word, but the honor of Kings to search out a word.

It just looks a little different when you go to the Hebrew.

Then you can take it back to the first mention, which is Genesis 11.1

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Genesis 11:1 (KJV)
This is an example of the KJV's bible built in dictionary.

God bless
 

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Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Exodus 33:12 And Moses said unto the LORD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

This is to give some thoughts about the rule of first mention where the rule is simply to look on the words where it was first mentioned and there is no need to be complex in here. Example: the word “grace”

When studying the word “grace” in the Bible, the first mention was found in Genesis 6:8 giving us the impression that the grace of God is already there long before the Law. So grace existed before the Mosaic Law and Noah was saved by grace and not the Law. Likewise, Christians too were saved by grace and not by the Law.
 
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Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

Exodus 33:12 And Moses said unto the LORD, See, thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people: and thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me. Yet thou hast said, I know thee by name, and thou hast also found grace in my sight.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

This is to give some thoughts about the rule of first mention where the rule is simply to look on the words where it was first mentioned and there is no need to be complex in here. Example: the word “grace”

When studying the word “grace” in the Bible, the first mention was found in Genesis 6:8 giving us the impression that the grace of God is already there long before the Law. So grace existed before the Mosaic Law and Noah was saved by grace and not the Law. Likewise, Christians too were saved by grace and not by the Law.
with respect, I think you can make the case that this same awesome grace caused Noah to obey God by building a boat, when it hadn't even rained.
This same grace caused Noah to obey by loading a pair of the unclean animals and seven pairs of the clean animals, even though he was most likely ridiculed for doing so. (I wonder how he knew the difference)
so even with grace, or even BECAUSE of grace, it is a good idea to obey God, even when it is not popular.
 

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with respect, I think you can make the case that this same awesome grace caused Noah to obey God by building a boat, when it hadn't even rained.
This same grace caused Noah to obey by loading a pair of the unclean animals and seven pairs of the clean animals, even though he was most likely ridiculed for doing so. (I wonder how he knew the difference)
so even with grace, or even BECAUSE of grace, it is a good idea to obey God, even when it is not popular.
It's all because of God's Grace, we can obey God! God's grace set's us free and we no longer in bondage. We've been "slave" because of sin but Christ freed us! Good thing is we no longer a "slaves" of Christ but a "servant" of Christ that makes the difference!

God bless!
 

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with respect, I think you can make the case that this same awesome grace caused Noah to obey God by building a boat, when it hadn't even rained.
This same grace caused Noah to obey by loading a pair of the unclean animals and seven pairs of the clean animals, even though he was most likely ridiculed for doing so. (I wonder how he knew the difference)
so even with grace, or even BECAUSE of grace, it is a good idea to obey God, even when it is not popular.
We find that because of God's grace, Noah was saved from the flood = first mention principle. God's grace today through the Lord Jesus Christ brings salvation to those who believe.

The grace of God was given to Noah before any obedience. Noah found grace because his generations were kept pure and corrupted during a time when all flesh had corrupted itself. Because of that, God stepped in and told Noah to build the ark. Yes, because of the grace of God given, it is a good idea to be obedient to God. Good thoughts.
 
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This is an interesting verse to look at in the Hebrew:
[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter.
Proverbs 25:2 (KJV)

The word for "a thing" and "matter" is the same Hebrew word, which means "word".

H1697 dabar (daw-baw') n-m.

1. a word
2. (by implication) a matter (as spoken of) or thing

So, a better translation would be this:

It is the glory of God to conceal a word, but the honor of Kings to search out a word.

It just looks a little different when you go to the Hebrew.

Then you can take it back to the first mention, which is Genesis 11.1

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Genesis 11:1 (KJV)
It does not represent the language of men. But that which is concealed as a parable, the spiritual meaning hid.
 
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We find that because of God's grace, Noah was saved from the flood = first mention principle. God's grace today through the Lord Jesus Christ brings salvation to those who believe.

The grace of God was given to Noah before any obedience. Noah found grace because his generations were kept pure and corrupted during a time when all flesh had corrupted itself. Because of that, God stepped in and told Noah to build the ark. Yes, because of the grace of God given, it is a good idea to be obedient to God. Good thoughts.
In Noah's case, it was not just a "good idea" to be obedient.
We can talk about the amazing grace of God all day, but if Noah did not obey the command to build a boat, ...
What if Noah said, I am not under law, I am under grace and I don't have to build a boat?
Noah would have perished in the flood.
This is a prime example of grace and obedience being combined.
God give us instructions because of His grace. Grace and Law are not opposites.
 
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In Noah's case, it was not just a "good idea" to be obedient.
We can talk about the amazing grace of God all day, but if Noah did not obey the command to build a boat, ...
What if Noah said, I am not under law, I am under grace and I don't have to build a boat?
Noah would have perished in the flood.
This is a prime example of grace and obedience being combined.
God give us instructions because of His grace. Grace and Law are not opposites.
The false logic on show here is frightening.

The account of Noah has absolutely and completely and utterly NOTHING to do with law in any way shape or form.
Noah received an individual instruction from God.
He was under absolutely no LEGAL obligation to obey.
The fact that he obeyed was certainly not because he was under legal duress.

To try and use this as an illustration demonstrating grace and law at work is at best cheeky and at worst frankly fraudulent!
 

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In Noah's case, it was not just a "good idea" to be obedient.
We can talk about the amazing grace of God all day, but if Noah did not obey the command to build a boat, ...
What if Noah said, I am not under law, I am under grace and I don't have to build a boat?
Noah would have perished in the flood.
This is a prime example of grace and obedience being combined.
God give us instructions because of His grace. Grace and Law are not opposites.
Romans 10
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Believing the report about the gospel of Christ is our obedience. Our obedience is not building an ark to be saved, or even following the law, or doing any other works but believing the preaching of the gospel of Christ. That is our obedience, believing the report about what Christ did at the cross.
 
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I am surprised we have a thread on first mention,and nobody has touched the subject. Lol.

First born

First fruits.

Last is first,and the first is last.

In serving dinner,the bible says the head of the house is served first.
 
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The Lords prayer.

First mention was what?

The ten commandments.

First mention is what?

Exiting the ark.
Who left first?

Five fold ministry
What office is first?

First mention is inescapable.
It is a COMPONENT,not a basis of interpretation.
 
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Romans 10
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Believing the report about the gospel of Christ is our obedience. Our obedience is not building an ark to be saved, or even following the law, or doing any other works but believing the preaching of the gospel of Christ. That is our obedience, believing the report about what Christ did at the cross.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:19-20 (KJV)
 

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Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:19-20 (KJV)
What's the verse say? The demons believe that there is one God. That's not the gospel of Christ. The gospel of Christ is believing in the death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins. That's believing the report about Jesus Christ.