Sabbath Law and Rest

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Which view do you take?

  • God requires Christians to observe a Saturday Sabbath.

    Votes: 22 36.7%
  • God desires for Christians to observe a Saturday Sabbath.

    Votes: 10 16.7%
  • God desires for Christians to observe a weekly Sabbath, either Saturday or Sunday.

    Votes: 10 16.7%
  • God requires Christians to observe a Sunday Sabbath.

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • God doesn't want us to worry about observing any Sabbath.

    Votes: 16 26.7%

  • Total voters
    60

JaumeJ

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When anyone, you, read the law as it were yet inscribed on stone, there is no capability of receiving mercy and grace with the law.

Read the law now as written in our inward pards on the tablets of our hearts, flesh, and you will understand mercy, for the Son of Man desires mercy and not sacrifice, and He came into the world to forgive not to condemn.

Establish the lay by the faith you have received, and you will know how it is to be obeyed.

The quickest way to know is always to look to the Master and learn all from Him, then do as He would do.
 

KohenMatt

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What do you guys like to do on Shabbat? My activities vary, but I always try to get some extra sleep on rest day, because it gives me inner peace, and helps me feel at one with Yah. Almost as if He's there, resting with me.
We spend most the day (11-5) in fellowship at church (worship, teaching, fellowship, a meal) and then usually have dinner at a friend or family's house.
 

john832

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We attend services, rest, refrain from earning a living and a favorite is to visit the sick and elderly to encourage them.
 

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Sabbath is a part of the old obsolete laws given to Jews. To Christians Jesus is our Sabbath and we are not to obey the old mosaic laws. We are to obey the moral laws of Christ only. The Judaizers and nomian nuts wants us to mutilate our foreskin, stop eating pork and strictly observe the few laws they observe which have no hold on Christians.
Really?
The Sabbath is one of the 10 ... I am worry if someone HUMAN claim it is not valid after God had said it will be written in our hearts according the New C. So, I think the God is the same and these 10 are inside me.
Am I wrong? I have found an interesting article here.
The 7 Great Lies in the Church Today — Charisma Magazine
 
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Many committed Christian believers have received and believed in the Lord Jesus Christ as God (or as the 2nd person of the only God)... How come, for tiny introductions or mislead interpretations they contradict more abundant teachings He said, regarding the Law or about the Sabbath?

Who has invalidated the essential 10? (When I could be ignoring those as being "not practical" today)

Who has summed up they all, in two? (Mark_12:30-31)

If He accutelly fulfilled them, to LEAD US into some sort or form of an human fulfillment, why He insisted on saying it this way?

Mat 5:18 Heaven and earth may disappear. But I promise you that not even a period or comma will ever disappear from the Law. Everything written in it must happen.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished.

Yes! New wine for another bottle but, don´t get drunk, Jesus confirmed and stablished it, to its fullness.

Originally Posted by danschance


Sabbath is a part of the old obsolete laws given to Jews. To Christians Jesus is our Sabbath and we are not to obey the old mosaic laws. We are to obey the moral laws of Christ only. The Judaizers and nomian nuts wants us to mutilate our foreskin, stop eating pork and strictly observe the few laws they observe which have no hold on Christians."
 
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Grandpa

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Matthew 5:17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The law is designed to bring you to Christ. One jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till it bring you to Him.

Galatians 3:23-25

[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The whole reason we are no longer under the law after coming to Christ is because we see, by faith, that He has fulfilled it. There is nothing more for us to accomplish by the law. If we don't see this then we haven't come to the faith that is in Christ but are still kept under the law.

Those who teach working at the law in their own strength and understanding have turned aside to vain jangling, understanding neither what they say or what they affirm. Knowing this, that the Law is not for a righteous man, but for the ungodly and sinner.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

The law that is written on our hearts... Love, Peace, Joy, Patience, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Temperance.... By Faith in Christ. And Establishes the Law.
 
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School master... Is it Paul above Jesus´ teachings?

Is it God below His sons and daughters?

No one was perfect, until the Lord jesu came in following God´s commands or His laws and no man, after Him will but...

I´m not afraid to say that many of us have made the Bible something bigger than the ONE who inspired men to write it down..." A. T.

I´m not afraid to say I could be TOTALLY wronged...

I´m not a single centimeter above my sinning nature.
 
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prove-all

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we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


I can not figure out how someone goes to school to learn,

has the best teacher in the world you could ever want.

then graduates from class with honers, and forced to forget everything learned,

and going back to doing it mans way, just not make much sence to me.



Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
 
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Danel

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I cannot figure out why God would kill people for violating his sabbath one minute, and be perfectly fine with them breaking it now, because Jesus died for our sins.

That's like saying: "My wife bailed me out of jail after I was caught drinking while intoxicated. Now I'm gonna go get drunk, and get behind the wheel again, since I've been forgiven. I'm sure the police won't care this time."
 

KohenMatt

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we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


I can not figure out how someone goes to school to learn,

has the best teacher in the world you could ever want.

then graduates from class with honers, and forced to forget everything learned,

and going back to doing it mans way, just not make much sence to me.



Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
You can learn arithmetic, multiplication and division, and then move on to something greater like calculus.
But you can't do calculus without still doing arithmetic, multiplication and division.
 

JaumeJ

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When we read and study the Word, all of it, we read how God says He gave the people statues and ordinances that are bad, that should not be followed, however it should be sufficient to know that reading gthe law as though in sstone, t6hat is sto say with the veil of Moses impeding our vision and understanding, there is no capability of mercy and grace.

When we come to know Jesus Chrsit, the tlaw is inscribed on our hearts in our inward parts, and by His teaching and example we know how to use the law, lawfully with mercy and grace.

Look to th Teacher for these answers, not to people who do not yet know these basic elements of truth in grace. You know by the example of Jesus Christ that He would not kill anyone for breaking the law. If yo know this, study and pray by His teachings to understand just how to desire mercy and not sacrifice for your self and for others. Learn to forgive all others, and you will understand how to use the law lawfully.

In the love of Jesus Christ always be blessed, amen.


I cannot figure out why God would kill people for violating his sabbath one minute, and be perfectly fine with them breaking it now, because Jesus died for our sins.

That's like saying: "My wife bailed me out of jail after I was caught drinking while intoxicated. Now I'm gonna go get drunk, and get behind the wheel again, since I've been forgiven. I'm sure the police won't care this time."
 

prove-all

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What do you guys like to do on Shabbat? .
I used to do what most the world did after a long week, T.G.I.F.

Thank God it's friday
Most everyone has heard of this, after a long week of work it's party time.

People all over the world go out drinking and dancing or what not,
the lust of the eyes, drunkenness and only God knows what else goes on.

Then maybe they will rest or go to church on sunday, or maybe just watch a sports game.

The world is pressing to make a day of rest for all, christines or non christen alike,
on sunday, law even now, but rome is making it a quiet day, no noise even allowed at home.

but just as the sabbath holy time starts, His time,
the world does the very opposite, and unholy things is done.

I myself now believe tgif was made by the devils influence and not for God.
I now try to come out of this worlds ways and started keeping the Sabbath holy .
 

JaumeJ

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Yes, we must always stand on the teaching of our tutor making constant reference to the body of what has been learned when applying thie wisdom to our walk in the Lord. I love the analogy of calculus requireng the constant reference to lower math...God bless you always, amen

You can learn arithmetic, multiplication and division, and then move on to something greater like calculus.
But you can't do calculus without still doing arithmetic, multiplication and division.
 

KohenMatt

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Yes, we must always stand on the teaching of our tutor making constant reference to the body of what has been learned when applying thie wisdom to our walk in the Lord. I love the analogy of calculus requireng the constant reference to lower math...God bless you always, amen
There are 2 extremes with this analogy though.

There are some "Pro-Torah" folks who spend so much time focusing on the arithmetic, multiplication and division that they never move on to calculus; instead always being content with doing what got them through those disciplines..

Then there are some who believe that once they've gotten into calculus, they don't need to remember and do the elementary disciplines.

Just 2 extremes, mind you.
 
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I cannot figure out why God would kill people for violating his sabbath one minute, and be perfectly fine with them breaking it now, because Jesus died for our sins. (...)

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I just think it doesn´t happen because He sees Jesus in those believers who, for any human reason, posponed His date, delayed being like His Son, because they rest -like a newborn child- in the faith of Jesus, because He is enough to be saved but, if I want to be saved (really saved) Do I need to run from idolatry? Do I need to worship God and no men? Do I need to honor the Creator, instead of His creatures? Will I sleep sorrunded by lies and those Golems, like Lot´s wife wanted, when she turned her sight back?

Jesus is enough and, as much as I can, as much as I learn, I will try to imitate the one who gave up His life to please His Father. I need to learn to please Him, an no other men: His teaching is enough!
 
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Danel

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Happy Sabbath everyone. It's not a matter of us keeping Shabbat. But rather, a matter of Shabbat keeping us. :)


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This is not rocket science. For THOUSANDS of years, there was NO Julian calendar, complete with certain names for certain days, named after certain old 'gods". There was actually NO word "CHRISTIAN" until the 1st century..so..was this a delimna with any race or culture that followed GOD? NO...every 7th day, they rested..because GOD cared enough to dictate it. Did that day have a certain name? Yes, it was called THE SABBATH, when they rested. DID that day have a calendared name? NO! It was intended as the perfect IDEA that a GODLY person recognize that their FATHER also rested, but HE never gave the exact name of the week..because it matters NOT..except that you take time to rest, study, give full attention to their Commander and worship GOD like HE deserves. My BIBLE says "GOD inhabits the praises of His people". There is no set clock time or date for praising GOD. All I know is that when I lift HIM up in praise, HIS Spirit comes down, no matter the time on my watch or exact day of the week. No church has it better or is more pleasing to GOD just because they meet on a Saturday or a Sunday. What matters is their walk, not their talk.
 
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1 John 2:4-

Whoever says "I know Him" but does not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
 
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prodigal

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copied from How is Jesus our Sabbath Rest? .....thought was quite good



Question: "How is Jesus our Sabbath Rest?"

Answer:
The key to understanding how Jesus is our Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word sabat, which means "to rest or stop or cease from work." The origin of the Sabbath goes back to Creation. After creating the heavens and the earth in six days, God "rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made" (Genesis 2:2). This doesn’t mean that God was tired and needed a rest. We know that God is omnipotent, literally "all-powerful." He has all the power in the universe, He never tires, and His most arduous expenditure of energy does not diminish His power one bit. So, what does it mean that God rested on the seventh day? Simply that He stopped what He was doing. He ceased from His labors. This is important in understanding the establishment of the Sabbath day and the role of Christ as our Sabbath rest.

God used the example of His resting on the seventh day of Creation to establish the principle of the Sabbath day rest for His people. In Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15, God gave the Israelites the fourth of His Ten Commandments. They were to "remember" the Sabbath day and "keep it holy." One day out of every seven, they were to rest from their labors and give the same day of rest to their servants and animals. This was not just a physical rest, but a cessation of laboring. Whatever work they were engaged in was to stop for a full day each week. (Please read our other articles on the Sabbath day, Saturday vs. Sunday and Sabbath keeping to explore this issue further.) The Sabbath day was established so the people would rest from their labors, only to begin again after a one-day rest.

The various elements of the Sabbath symbolized the coming of the Messiah, who would provide a permanent rest for His people. Once again the example of resting from our labors comes into play. With the establishment of the Old Testament Law, the Jews were constantly "laboring" to make themselves acceptable to God. Their labors included trying to obey a myriad of do’s and don’ts of the ceremonial law, the Temple law, the civil law, etc. Of course they couldn’t possibly keep all those laws, so God provided an array of sin offerings and sacrifices so they could come to Him for forgiveness and restore fellowship with Him, but only temporarily. Just as they began their physical labors after a one-day rest, so, too, did they have to continue to offer sacrifices. Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12). Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided.

Another element of the Sabbath day rest which God instituted as a foreshadowing of our complete rest in Christ is that He blessed it, sanctified it, and made it holy. Here again we see the symbol of Christ as our Sabbath rest—the holy, perfect Son of God who sanctifies and makes holy all who believe in Him. God sanctified Christ, just as He sanctified the Sabbath day, and sent Him into the world (John 10:36) to be our sacrifice for sin. In Him we find complete rest from the labors of our self-effort, because He alone is holy and righteous. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21). We can now cease from our spiritual labors and rest in Him, not just one day a week, but always.

Jesus can be our Sabbath rest in part because He is "Lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8). As God incarnate, He decides the true meaning of the Sabbath because He created it, and He is our Sabbath rest in the flesh. When the Pharisees criticized Him for healing on the Sabbath, Jesus reminded them that even they, sinful as they were, would not hesitate to pull a sheep out of a pit on the Sabbath. Because He came to seek and save His sheep who would hear His voice (John 10:3,27) and enter into the Sabbath rest He provided by paying for their sins, He could break the Sabbath rules. He told the Pharisees that people are more important than sheep and the salvation He provided was more important than rules. By saying, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27), Jesus was restating the principle that the Sabbath rest was instituted to relieve man of his labors, just as He came to relieve us of our attempting to achieve salvation by our works. We no longer rest for only one day, but forever cease our laboring to attain God’s favor. Jesus is our rest from works now, just as He is the door to heaven, where we will rest in Him forever.

Hebrews 4 is the definitive passage regarding Jesus as our Sabbath rest. The writer to the Hebrews exhorts his readers to "enter in" to the Sabbath rest provided by Christ. After three chapters of telling them that Jesus is superior to the angels and that He is our Apostle and High Priest, he pleads with them to not harden their hearts against Him, as their fathers hardened their hearts against Jehovah in the wilderness. Because of their unbelief, God denied that generation access to the holy land, saying, "They shall not enter into My rest" (Hebrews 3:11). In the same way, the writer to the Hebrews begs them—and us—not to make the same mistake by rejecting God’s Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ. "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience" (Hebrews 4:9-11).

There is no other Sabbath rest besides Jesus. He alone satisfies the requirements of the Law, and He alone provides the sacrifice that atones for sin. He is God’s plan for us to cease from the labor of our own works. We dare not reject this one-and-only Way of salvation (John 14:6). God’s reaction to those who choose to reject His plan is seen in Numbers 15. A man was found gathering sticks on the Sabbath day, in spite of God’s plain commandment to cease from all labor on the Sabbath. This transgression was a known and willful sin, done with unblushing boldness in broad daylight, in open defiance of the divine authority. "And Jehovah said to Moses, ‘The man shall surely be put to death’" (v. 35). So it will be to all who reject God’s provision for our Sabbath rest in Christ. "How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?" (Hebrews 2:3).