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all the commandments are kept, better yet,

fulfilled

this way

GALATIANS 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
One word indeed Love.. now you know the Great Commandment and the second like it as taught by Our Messiah?
 

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Faith without works is dead being alone. Faith comes first before works otherwise works are in vain. If we follow Jesus Christ by faith, (for real) it is obvious that works will follow. God works become part of us by faith. "Do we then make void the (Sabbath) law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the (Sabbath) law." (Romans 3:31 KJV) Why do you argue by assumption?

By establish do you mean keep it by: Faith that worketh by Love?
 

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LEVITICUS 27:34 These are the commandments, which the LORD commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai.
Except Jesus is not telling us He kept the commandments given through MOSES. Jesus said He kept His Fathers Commandments....meaning those GOD personally gave to the people....you are not hearing GOD ! you and christians as a whole only hear Moses and he was conveniently abolished and so they don't keep any.
What a shocking MESS people have created !!!
 
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Except Jesus is not telling us He kept the commandments given through MOSES. Jesus said He kept His Fathers Commandments....meaning those GOD personally gave to the people....you are not hearing GOD ! you and christians as a whole only hear Moses and he was conveniently abolished and so they don't keep any.
What a shocking MESS people have created !!!
Great point Beta,

I like the scriptures below because they tell us that the only way to find God's truth is to seek Jesus for it through His Word. If we do not do this and rely on the teachings of man we can be deceived.

2Co 3:14-18,

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ (the Word). But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart (mind). Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord (the Word), the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Isa 55:6-7,
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Jer 29:13

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Joh 8:31-32
If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

The only way any of us can know the truth is to seek and ask Jesus for it through His Word. God bless
 

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By establish do you mean keep it by: Faith that worketh by Love?
Simply having a heart's desire to do the Word of God which is His will so He can righteously give blessings to us which is heart's desire. We don't work for the blessing, we just want to bless Him.

"Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name." (Psalm 103:1 KJV)

Mutual blessings One toward another, back and forth, and through Jesus Christ He started it all, and the loving relationship continues to grow better and better as each day passes. Ain't that just wonderful?
 

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Except Jesus is not telling us He kept the commandments given through MOSES. Jesus said He kept His Fathers Commandments....meaning those GOD personally gave to the people....you are not hearing GOD ! you and christians as a whole only hear Moses and he was conveniently abolished and so they don't keep any.
What a shocking MESS people have created !!!
LEVITICUS 27:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,


God spoke to Moses, the commandments he wrote down are God's commandments.
 
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LEVITICUS 27:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
God spoke to Moses, the commandments he wrote down are God's commandments.
Hi Dan,

Leviticus 27 is talking about what follow;

Lev 27:1, ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, sayings,
Lev 27:2, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the LORD by thy estimation.
Lev 27:3, And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary.
Lev 27:4, And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
Lev 27:5, And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.
Lev 27:6, And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.
Lev 27:7, And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels. etc..

The chapter is referring to parts of the Levitical Sanctuary sacrificial laws given to Moses from God.


What do you mean?

God bless
 
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Great point Beta,

I like the scriptures below because they tell us that the only way to find God's truth is to seek Jesus for it through His Word. If we do not do this and rely on the teachings of man we can be deceived.

2Co 3:14-18,

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ (the Word). But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart (mind). Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord (the Word), the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Isa 55:6-7,
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Jer 29:13

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Joh 8:31-32
If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

The only way any of us can know the truth is to seek and ask Jesus for it through His Word. God bless

I think you are ignoring the law of interpretation. The word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word. It means rest with no other meaning added. Adding a meaning to it only show someone has violated the law not to add to a word

It does not read as you must assume below

1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest on Saturday unless any of you should seem to come short of it.

It’s short of the eternal rest not short of the week or any day of it. Any day we hear his voice and do not harden our hearts we have entered that eternal rest, its what faith works best to do ….believe God.
 
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Hi Dan,

Leviticus 27 is talking about what follow;

Lev 27:1, ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, sayings,
Lev 27:2, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the LORD by thy estimation.
Lev 27:3, And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary.
Lev 27:4, And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
Lev 27:5, And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.
Lev 27:6, And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.
Lev 27:7, And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels. etc..

The chapter is referring to parts of the Levitical Sanctuary sacrificial laws given to Moses from God.


What do you mean?

God bless

All ceremonial laws (not moral laws)as shadows preached the gospel of Christ beforehand according to the Spirit of Christ that dwelt in them. We by the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God look back to the same one demonstration.

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The glory did come the graves were opened and those saints now that all the work was finished entered the promised land the New heavenly Jerusalem to represent the bride of Christ. Can’t glory in shadows as that seen.
 
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Hi All

For those interested in God's Word. It is interesting if you study God's Word you will see that there are two very clear sets of laws in the Bible. One set of laws are forever and the second set of laws were shadows of things to come that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation.

(1) The first is God's Law (10 commandments). This is the work of God alone. God wrote it with his own finger or two tables of stone. God spoke it himself personally to His people for all to hear. God separated His Law from all the laws written in the book of Moses and placed it on tables of stone and put it in the Ark of the Covenant. The purpose of God's Law; was to point out sin and the penalty of sin (death). It was never a cure for sin just like it is in the New Covenant. It is the foundation of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant and the very foundation of the Judgement that each one of us will be judged by in the last days. God's Law is forever.

Scripture proof:

Ex 32:16; Ex 31:18; 31:18; Ex 20:1-22; Deut 10:5; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Heb 7:19; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1John 3:5-8; 1John 2:3-4; Ecc 3:14

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On the other hand we have the laws of Moses (civil, Levitical and ceremonial and health laws). These laws were the work of Moses. They were written by Moses as he was inspired by God for God's people under the Old Covenant. Moses wrote all these laws in a book. The laws of Moses were spoken by Moses. The book of Moses was placed in the side of the Ark of the Covenant and separated from God's Law. The purpose of the laws of Moses; was to describe God's plan of salvation from sin. The purpose of the laws of Moses was to provide a cure for sin through animal sacrifices, food and drink offerings, annual feast days connected to New Moons etc. The laws of Moses where a shadow of things to come that finished at the cross.

Scripture proof:
Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29

Jesus is the creator and he is the Lord of the Sabbath. The Lord's Day is the 7th Day Sabbath day. He made it for us. It is a sign that we worship the God of creation. The 7th Day Sabbath is a celebration and a memorial of the Finished Work of creations and we worship the God of creation. The 7th Day Sabbath is a commandment of God that He asks His people to keep because God made it a Holy day.

Scripture proof:
Mark 2:27-28; Gen 2:1-3; Ex 20:8-11; Ex 20:20; Rev 14:7; 12

If we break any of God's Laws we commit sin. Sin is the transgression of God's Law. If we break it we become guilty before God. If we do not repent of our sins we are in danger of the judgement. The wages or penalty for unrepented sin is death. This includes the 4th commandments which is the 7th day Sabbath.God's 7th Day Sabbath is just as much a part of God's Law as thou shalt not steal.

Scripture proof:

James 2:10; 1John 3:4; Rom 3:19-20; 6:23;
Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31

Jesus says....

Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matt 15:3;7-11)

If we follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God. Sunday Worship is a man made traditions that has no basis in God's Word. We must follow Jesus because we love him. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath so we follow him.

God bless you all

 
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Hi All

For those interested in God's Word. It is interesting if you study God's Word you will see that there are two very clear sets of laws in the Bible. One set of laws are forever and the second set of laws were shadows of things to come that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation.

(1) The first is God's Law (10 commandments). This is the work of God alone. God wrote it with his own finger or two tables of stone. God spoke it himself personally to His people for all to hear. God separated His Law from all the laws written in the book of Moses and placed it on tables of stone and put it in the Ark of the Covenant. The purpose of God's Law; was to point out sin and the penalty of sin (death). It was never a cure for sin just like it is in the New Covenant. It is the foundation of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant and the very foundation of the Judgement that each one of us will be judged by in the last days. God's Law is forever.

Scripture proof:

Ex 32:16; Ex 31:18; 31:18; Ex 20:1-22; Deut 10:5; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Heb 7:19; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1John 3:5-8; 1John 2:3-4; Ecc 3:14

(2)
On the other hand we have the laws of Moses (civil, Levitical and ceremonial and health laws). These laws were the work of Moses. They were written by Moses as he was inspired by God for God's people under the Old Covenant. Moses wrote all these laws in a book. The laws of Moses were spoken by Moses. The book of Moses was placed in the side of the Ark of the Covenant and separated from God's Law. The purpose of the laws of Moses; was to describe God's plan of salvation from sin. The purpose of the laws of Moses was to provide a cure for sin through animal sacrifices, food and drink offerings, annual feast days connected to New Moons etc. The laws of Moses where a shadow of things to come that finished at the cross.

Scripture proof:
Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29

Jesus is the creator and he is the Lord of the Sabbath. The Lord's Day is the 7th Day Sabbath day. He made it for us. It is a sign that we worship the God of creation. The 7th Day Sabbath is a celebration and a memorial of the Finished Work of creations and we worship the God of creation. The 7th Day Sabbath is a commandment of God that He asks His people to keep because God made it a Holy day.

Scripture proof:
Mark 2:27-28; Gen 2:1-3; Ex 20:8-11; Ex 20:20; Rev 14:7; 12

If we break any of God's Laws we commit sin. Sin is the transgression of God's Law. If we break it we become guilty before God. If we do not repent of our sins we are in danger of the judgement. The wages or penalty for unrepented sin is death. This includes the 4th commandments which is the 7th day Sabbath.God's 7th Day Sabbath is just as much a part of God's Law as thou shalt not steal.

Scripture proof:

James 2:10; 1John 3:4; Rom 3:19-20; 6:23;
Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31

Jesus says....

Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matt 15:3;7-11)

If we follow the teachings and traditions of man over the Word of God we are not following God. Sunday Worship is a man made traditions that has no basis in God's Word. We must follow Jesus because we love him. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath so we follow him.

God bless you all

SDA propaganda, start to finish!
The law was never split in the way mentioned.
Either Jesus Christ fulfilled the law (all of it) or none of it was fulfilled - binary choice...
 
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SDA propaganda, start to finish!
The law was never split in the way mentioned.
Either Jesus Christ fulfilled the law (all of it) or none of it was fulfilled - binary choice...
Hello friend,

Propaganda I think not. It is the Word of God. All of our opinions mean nothing. Only God's Word matter. We must follow Jesus because he is the Word and we love him (John 1:1-4; John 14:15).

Rom 8:4

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Matt 15:3;7-11

Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

John 12:48-50
He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

God bless

 
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Sorry last post timed out before it was finished. Matt 15:3. 7-11, above is a warning given by Jesus to anyone keeping Man made traditions and teachings over God's Word. Sunday Worship is a man made teaching and tradition over the Word of God.

God bless
 

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Hello friend,

Propaganda I think not. It is the Word of God. All of our opinions mean nothing. Only God's Word matter. We must follow Jesus because he is the Word and we love him (John 1:1-4; John 14:15).

Rom 8:4

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Matt 15:3;7-11

Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

John 12:48-50
He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

God bless

Propaganda it is - you quoting a few scriptures here and there does not change that fact!
If anyones traditions are getting in the way they are yours - you are like the ghost of Ellen White, a puppet mouthing her teachings - nothing more and nothing less!
 
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Propaganda it is - you quoting a few scriptures here and there does not change that fact!
If anyones traditions are getting in the way they are yours - you are like the ghost of Ellen White, a puppet mouthing her teachings - nothing more and nothing less!
Hi Friend,

I do not judge you. If you would like to follow man made traditions over the Word of God it is between you and God. I share God's Word for those that love Jesus. It is Jesus that says he that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

God bless:)
 

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Paul teaches faith establishes sthe law. We receive faith, a gift, with the Holy Spirit, and in so receiving our hearts and souls and minds, affirm the righteousness of God by the wisdom of His ordinances.

As one who has received Christ and the Holy Spirit, I know the above to be true, I also know any who say they obey by faith only are lying. We all obey literally the law as clarified and fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

Any child knows sthe laws He has fulfilled, and any child knows which are to be followed always, for it is wrtten you may discern even if a child is good b his actions.
 

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Hi Friend,

I do not judge you. If you would like to follow man made traditions over the Word of God it is between you and God. I share God's Word for those that love Jesus. It is Jesus that says he that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

God bless:)
I do not follow man-made traditions.
You, on the other hand follow Ellen White - need I say more...
 
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I do not follow man-made traditions.
You, on the other hand follow Ellen White - need I say more...
Hi Friend,

You are mistaken. I follow no man or woman or church. I follow God's Word which I have shared with you. You reject God's Word to follow your own traditions over the Word of God because you do not know God's Word. Sunday Worship is a tradition of man which breaks God's commandments and goes against God's Word.

As mentioned earlier, I do not judge you and you are free to do whatever you like. It is Jesus that says he that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. (John 12:48-50)

God bless:)
 
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I do not follow man-made traditions.
You, on the other hand follow Ellen White - need I say more...
They're taught to say this and they repeat it incessantly, the old "you follow a man" statement. Well, the fact is they follow a woman, a false prophet named Ellen G. White.

And do we follow traditions? Certainly we do -- 2 Thessalonians 2:15.

Scripturally theses traditions are the orally given Word of God. That's another dagger to them as they place the writings of EGW above Scripture. Scripture must and does come under her lens of interpretation, writings that are contrary to and outside of Scripture. Yes, they "follow a woman."