Sabbath

[Hizikyah]

Its the gospel of being set free from the bondage of sin, Christ faithfully obeyed on our behalf and took the just penalty of the law (curse) on our behalf, And there is now no more condemnation for those in Christ!

Please read again...Christians can sin.... but its the Fathers displeasure they will feel, not the curse of the Law..which Christ FAITHFULLY OBEYED ON OUR BEHALF!

To be a legalist is putting yourself under anathema as it is a different gospel! legalism robs the cross!

You paint all obedience as "legalisim" so must we be illegalisits to recieve mercy?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."[/FONT]

 

[phil36]

You paint all obedience as "legalisim" so must we be illegalisits to recieve mercy?

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"



*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?


1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Hi Hizikyah,

Not at all. How can one set free from sin continue in it? Doesn't mean you won't sin, but rather your loyalties lie somewhere else, and neither is there condemnation for it either!!!!!

Rather than being a slave to sin, or a slave under the law, we are now set free to be slaves in Christ.

No one is saying you don't obey as I have said before that would be silly!

The legalist mindset cannot understand our freedom in Christ. Because they follow another gospel (The book of Galatians)

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi Hizikyah,

Not at all. How can one set free from sin continue in it? Doesn't mean you won't sin, but rather your loyalties lie somewhere else, and neither is there condemnation for it either!!!!!

Rather than being a slave to sin, or a slave under the law, we are now set free to be slaves in Christ.

No one is saying you don't obey as I have said before that would be silly!

The legalist mindset cannot understand our freedom in Christ. Because they follow another gospel (The book of Galatians)

bait and switch, you keep ignoring what Im saying then painting you pre-disposition over me. Similar to how you said you did not read my thread of LGF's and said it was wrong.

 

[phil36]

bait and switch, you keep ignoring what Im saying then painting you pre-disposition over me. Similar to how you said you did not read my thread of LGF's and said it was wrong.

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Ive been saying the same thing all along

We are not under the law..We are set free in Christ only then can one truly have faith and obey. The legalist gospel kills.

 

[Hizikyah]

Ive been saying the same thing all along

We are not under the law..We are set free in Christ only then can one truly have faith and obey. The legalist gospel kills.

What does it mean to you,to "not be under the Law"?

 

[phil36]

What does it mean to you,to "not be under the Law"?

It's not what it means to me but what does scripture say: Not to be under the law is to be 'In Christ'!!




[h=1]Romans 10:4English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)[/h][FONT=&quot]4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

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Colossians 3English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)

Put On the New Self

3 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. 3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is your[a] life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you:[b] sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of these the wrath of God is coming.[c] 7 In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. 8 But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.9 Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self[d]with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. 11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave,[e] free; but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, 13 bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. 14 And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony. 15 And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God. 17 And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.



Romans 6English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)

Dead to Sin, Alive to God

6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self[a] was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free[b] from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Dead to Sin, Alive to God

6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self[a] was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free[b] from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.



Galatians 5English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)

Christ Has Set Us Free

5 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified[a] by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.
7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?8 This persuasion is not from him who calls you. 9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view than mine, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is. 11 But if I, brothers,[b] still preach[c] circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offence of the cross has been removed. 12 I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!
13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.
Walk by the Spirit

16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[d] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.




In fact I could just copy the entire new testament

 

[Hizikyah]

Romans 10:4English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

TELOS

We can not earn Salvation by only obedience to the Law of the Creator, as James said and as Yahshua Himself said it takes faith and works. Romans 10:4 is a verses mistranslated in the majority of Bibles thus blurring the lines of truth. Christ is not “the end of the Law” but rather Yahshua showed the intent, ultimate result or goal (telos) of keeping the Law of YHWH.

The word translated “end” is word#G5056, τέλος, telos, tel'-os
From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid):—+ continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.

Lets look at places this word is used in the Konie Greek originals to get an idea of it meaning and context;

Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."

1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."


1 Peter 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith – the salvation of your souls."

If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away or at an end in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away or at an end in 1 Peter 1:9. Unless of course “telos” means the goal.

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #G5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

James 5:11, “Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end (telos) of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.”

James 5:11, “See, we call those blessed who endure. You have heard of the endurance of Iyoḇ and saw the purpose(telos) of יהוה, that He is very sympathetic and compassionate.”

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end (telos) of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”

1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the goal (telos) of this command is love from a clean heart, from a good conscience and a sincere belief.”

Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)

HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.

Romans 6:22, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end (telos) everlasting life.”

Romans 6:22, “But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of Yah, you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the goal (telos); everlasting life.”

*What is the "mystery of iniquity?"

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."


“mystery” is word # G3466 - Mustérion, Strong's Concordance, mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine, Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: mustérion, Phonetic Spelling: (moos-tay'-ree-on), Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery, Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.

—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) hidden thing, secret, mystery, 1a) generally mysteries, religious secrets, confided only to the initiated and not to ordinary mortals, 1b) a hidden or secret thing, not obvious to the understanding, 1c) a hidden purpose or counsel, 1c1) secret will, 1c1a) of men, 1c1b) of God: the secret counsels which govern God in dealing with the righteous, which are hidden from ungodly and wicked men but plain to the godly, 3) in rabbinic writings, it denotes the mystic or hidden sense: of an OT saying, of an image or form seen in a vision, of a dream


—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.

“iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

"iniquity" is: #0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

 

[Hizikyah]

It's not what it means to me but what does scripture say: Not to be under the law is to be 'In Christ'!!

Romans 10:4English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.


Colossians 3English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)
Put On the New Self
3 If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. 3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is your[a] life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you:[b] sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 On account of these the wrath of God is coming.[c] 7 In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. 8 But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth.9 Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self[d]with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. 11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave,[e] free; but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, 13 bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. 14 And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony. 15 And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God. 17 And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

Romans 6English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)
Dead to Sin, Alive to God
6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 We know that our old self[a] was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free[b] from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10 For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13 Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Galatians 5English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)
Christ Has Set Us Free
5 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. 4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified[a] by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.
7 You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?8 This persuasion is not from him who calls you. 9 A little leaven leavens the whole lump. 10 I have confidence in the Lord that you will take no other view than mine, and the one who is troubling you will bear the penalty, whoever he is. 11 But if I, brothers,[b] still preach[c] circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offence of the cross has been removed. 12 I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!
13 For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.” 15 But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.
Walk by the Spirit
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy,[d] drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

In fact I could just copy the entire new testament

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter/Kepha 3:15-17, "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I believe It is those that think Paul taught not to follow the Law of the Creator is what is causing the error…[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy, so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 7:19, "For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of Yah?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:7, Shall we therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:12, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ephesians 6:2-3, "Honor your father and mother; which is the first commandment with a promise: That it may be well with you, and you may live long on the earth."[/FONT]

 

[phil36]

It's all to do with Jesus my friend not law keeping. You will only be accounted right with God in Christ, not by law keeping.

The law will never save you or keep you saved, Christ can save because he fully obeyed under the law, took on the curse of the law and rose again defeating death on our behalf. Because we could not. Obey in Christ my friend. Don't anull His work by putting yourself under the curse of the law.

 

[Hizikyah]

It's all to do with Jesus my friend not law keeping. You will only be accounted right with God in Christ, not by law keeping.

The law will never save you or keep you saved, Christ can save because he fully obeyed under the law, took on the curse of the law and rose again defeating death on our behalf. Because we could not. Obey in Christ my friend. Don't anull His work by putting yourself under the curse of the law.

yeah you ignore what I say and post and paint you pre-disposition over me, the same thing I said as we started this convo.... Just like when you came to my Res hread and the Sabb therad said you did not read it but it was wrong. OK.

Romans 7:25, "Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH, while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin."

 

[phil36]

yeah you ignore what I say and post and paint you pre-disposition over me, the same thing I said as we started this convo.... Just like when you came to my Res hread and the Sabb therad said you did not read it but it was wrong. OK.

Hi Hizikyah,

Don't get mad, get resting in Jesus. Not Sabbath keeping. Jesus is our righteousness through faith..not and law keeping!

 

[Hizikyah]

Hi Hizikyah,

Don't get mad, get resting in Jesus. Not Sabbath keeping. Jesus is our righteousness through faith..not and law keeping!

again you paint your made up view of me over what I actually say.

 

[Studyman]

again you paint your made up view of me over what I actually say.

That's OK Hiz, you gave it a good shot. Remember the Words of the Holy Christ.

Luke 6:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

My wife and I printed your resurrection study and have very much enjoyed going over it on this rainy Sabbath. We did one years ago but it lacked the completeness and though it came to the same end, yours covered all angles and can not be refuted unless one goes outside the Word. Very good effort and evidence of the understanding only God can give.

I love to discuss the scriptures, I find great joy in the understanding of them. I am thankful to God for the extra drive He has placed in me through you.

God bless you Hizikyah.

 

[Hizikyah]

That's OK Hiz, you gave it a good shot. Remember the Words of the Holy Christ.

Luke 6:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

My wife and I printed your resurrection study and have very much enjoyed going over it on this rainy Sabbath. We did one years ago but it lacked the completeness and though it came to the same end, yours covered all angles and can not be refuted unless one goes outside the Word. Very good effort and evidence of the understanding only God can give.

I love to discuss the scriptures, I find great joy in the understanding of them. I am thankful to God for the extra drive He has placed in me through you.

God bless you Hizikyah.

may Yah bless you also brother! may we praise Him side by side!

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 35:18, “I will give you thanks in the great congregation: I will praise you among much people.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:130, “The opening up of Your words gives light, Giving understanding to the simple.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 12:2-3, "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake; some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And those who are wise will shine as the brightness of the heavens; and those who turn many to righteousness, as the stars forever and ever."[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

That's OK Hiz, you gave it a good shot. Remember the Words of the Holy Christ.

Luke 6:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

My wife and I printed your resurrection study and have very much enjoyed going over it on this rainy Sabbath. We did one years ago but it lacked the completeness and though it came to the same end, yours covered all angles and can not be refuted unless one goes outside the Word. Very good effort and evidence of the understanding only God can give.

I love to discuss the scriptures, I find great joy in the understanding of them. I am thankful to God for the extra drive He has placed in me through you.

God bless you Hizikyah.

may Yah bless you also brother! may we praise Him side by side!

Psalm 35:18, “I will give you thanks in the great congregation: I will praise you among much people.”


Psalm 119:130, “The opening up of Your words gives light, Giving understanding to the simple.”


Daniyl 12:2-3, "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake; some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And those who are wise will shine as the brightness of the heavens; and those who turn many to righteousness, as the stars forever and ever."

I want to add that I meant I enjoy your post sand have learned from them, I enjoy you knowledge and application of His wiord! priaiseYah for His people!

 

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I still always find it amazing that people actually think God is so concerned about which day we get together as worshipers.

What is really amazing as you keep saying this when one of the ten commandments has to do with how God regulates our time and worship....Do you know why Israel spent 70yrs in captivity?

 

[Iconoclast]

From A Baptist Catechism with Commentary.by W.R. Downing...pg99

COMMENTARY The Fourth Commandment reveals the absolute sovereignty of God over man with regard to the use of his time—labor, rest, worship and recreation.

The Sabbath, reflecting the rest of God upon finishing the work of creation, comes to man as a Divine blessing and gift, not a restriction or burden (Isa. 58:13–14). The division of this Commandment is four–fold:

first, the strongest admonition both to remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy [set apart]

Second, the recognition of work,

Third, rest from work.

Fourth, the reason for the Sabbath. It reflects the Divine rest after the work of creation—a rest of pleasure and satisfaction.

The First Commandment reveals the absolute sovereignty of God over our worship;

the Second, the spirituality of our worship;

the Third, our inward– attitude in worship.

The Fourth Commandment reveals the absolute sovereignty of God over our time—work and rest, worship and vocation, labor and recreation.

One must work before he can rest. Six days are the God–given time– frame for work. Note that six days of work are not necessarily commanded, but rather that all man’s work is to be done within six days that he might rest on the seventh:

The opening words “Six days shalt thou labour…” must not be arbitrarily separated from the remainder of the statement, “…and do all thy work,” implying a six–day time–frame for work that the Sabbath might remain separate as a day of rest. The weekly Sabbath was not the only “Sabbath” that God commanded Israel to observe.

There were weekly (Ex. 20:8–11; Deut. 5:12–15),

monthly (Numb. 28:11–15; Rom. 14:5–6)

and yearly Sabbaths (Ex. 12:1–20, 43–50; Lev. 23:15–44; Numb. 28:16–25; 29:1–40),

one observed every seven years (Ex. 23:10–11; Lev. 25:1–7, 18–22; 2 Chron. 36:20–21)

and one observed every fifty years (Lev. 25:8–18).

Some were purely rest–days, some were feast–days and some were days of corporate worship.

To correctly understand the full significance of the weekly Sabbath, one must understand the whole Sabbath–principle commanded by God.

he following is a short study on the various “Sabbaths”: The Sabbath–principle of Israel was a principle of rest for man, animals and the land, instituted by God.
It looked back to creation and Israel’s deliverance from Egypt,

looked to God in covenant–relationship

and looked ahead prophetically to the redemption of the whole creation.

This principle was also a principle of celebration. Both typically anticipated the redemption– rest in the Lord Jesus Christ and in future glory (Deut. 5:12–15; Rom. 8:18– 23; Heb. 4:1–11; 2 Pet. 3:7–18). To

 

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To be biblical and consistent, one must make a distinction between the provisional [ceremonial, civil] and the perpetual: The Sabbath [rest and worship]–principle is perpetual, as reflected in both God’s creation–rest (Gen. 2:2–3; Ex. 20:11) and the need for man to rest, i.e., “the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” (Mk. 2:27).

The Sabbath–principle points ahead to the redemptive rest in the Lord Jesus Christ (Deut. 5:12–15; Heb. 4:1–11.


Note that Heb. 4:9 literally reads “a Sabbath rest” in the Gk.), and so has a typical significance which will find complete fulfillment in the final redemption of man and the earth, when the Sabbath rest of God and man shall find its ultimate realization (Rom. 8:18–23; 2 Pet. 3:13).

What, then, in essence, is the perpetual and ultimate significance of the Sabbath? The Sabbath is described as “the Sabbath of the Lord God,” i.e., his Sabbath and is traced back to his primeval rest of celebration, accomplishment, satisfaction [“all was very good”] and anticipation (Gen. 2:1–3).


The national or covenant significance to Israel was both temporary and typological (Ex. 16:25–30; 23:10–12; 31:13–17; Deut. 5:12–15), awaiting its true and full significance among believers within the New or Gospel Covenant (Heb. 4:1–11).


Believers are now brought into union with Christ and so rejoice in his finished redemptive work and spiritually “rest” by faith in him. We celebrate our glorious salvation. Note the anticipation of that “[Sabbath–]rest which remaineth for the people of God” (Heb. 4:9).


We await our future glorification (Rom. 8:14–23) and the restoration of all creation which, again, will render everything pristine and “very good” in the creation of “new heavens and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness” (2 Pet. 3:7–13). With creation ultimately and infallibly restored, and the elect of God finally and fully redeemed, the full and final rest of God will be accomplished. The Sabbath then, ought to be a celebration of our redemption, a delight, a rest, both physical and spiritual and an anticipation of that glory which is to come.

Such thoughts ought to sanctify and make the Lord’s Day a delight.

While it is true that in neither the Old or New Testaments did God explicitly change the weekly Sabbath from the seventh to the first day, since the resurrection of our Lord, Christians have met on the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1; Acts 2:1ff; 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2; Rev. 1:10).

It was our Lord’s resurrection–day, the Day of Pentecost, which marked out the New Testament church as God’s ordained institution for this Gospel economy by the empowering of the Spirit; and anticipates the full and final restoration of all things, of which his resurrection was but the first declaration. The first day (traditionally “Sunday”) thus distinguishes Christian worship from Jewish worship.

This was the inspired apostolic practice throughout the New Testament. Thus, observing the first day of the week as the Lord’s Day is not merely traditional; it is implicitly and explicitly biblical (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2). Have you found that promised rest in the Lord Jesus? Do you find the Lord’s Day a delight? Do you take time to anticipate and rejoice in the coming Sabbath of creation? t2

 

[Hizikyah]

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

 

[Studyman]

In the OT the Sabbath day was a day of rest... There was no requirement for them to attend the Synagogue on that day.. Why does it matter what day you attend a meeting of Christians.. This whole,, you got to go to church on the Sabbath day,, is not based on the scriptures at all.. Indeed if people got strict about the Sabbath then they would not go to church on the Sabbath..

You ask a Pastor what is his most busy day and he will tell you the day everyone comes to church.. So if ones Church day is the true Sabbath day then it is the day when the Pastor is working his hardest and not resting. Which is going against what people are called to do on the Sabbath day... Rest...

Matt. 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.