Sabbath??????

[gamlet]

I don't want to start an endless debate about the Sabbath, but...

Can you show me one verse in the New Testament that commands that we should keep it?

There was no need to repeat the command to keep the Sabbath because everybody kept the Sabbath. In fact, what needs to be shown is a command that Sunday has replaced the Sabbath. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:17-19).

"So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:28). So when John said, "On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit" (Revelations 1:10), he was worshipping on the Sabbath.

 

[Spokenpassage]

Gamlet, Sunday worship did not replace the Sabbath. Sunday worship is a day to fellowship with believers, teaching, and to honor God. The Sabbath was a foreshadowing of Christ (Col. 2:16-17), who is our rest, if we enter into His rest we also have rested from our works (Heb. 4:9-10).

Btw, it does matter for it to be repeated in the NT if it's a important issue. Also Revelation 1:10 says the 'Lord's day' that it's most likely Sunday, not the Sabbath.

 

[pastac]

This seems to me to be more hair splitting. If a man works six days and rest one day does it matter what day that is? Come on, Everyday belongs to Christ. We serve him each day so whatever day we set aside to rest from our labor is ok.
Sabbath Defined is
Day of the week set aside for worship and observance of religious duties in Judaism and Christianity. The Jewish Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday and lasts until sunset the next day, during which time no ordinary work or act of labor is performed. For most Christian denominations, the Sabbath is on Sunday; prescribed conduct varies considerably, but attendance at worship services is a feature common to all.
I'm not Jewish so I don't observe the Jewish Sabbath.
I was raised that Sunday was the day of rest that I follow mow I'm older and wiser and realize if I need to mow my yard on Sunday I will because I can rest on Tuesday because I honor God each day. But I will set asisde a day of rest but it may not be Sunday,

 

[Osiyo]

And we have in the day that we live in allot of revisionism going on, but it’s not coming for the Church Conferences, or Government, it’s coming from the Church. We are revising what a Church is today, the Bible says and they continued, this early Church they continued steadfastly in the Apostles Doctrine, and in fellowship and in the breaking of bread and in prayer. Now we have revised that and said, if you can get people for one hour on Sunday morning in a building, that’s the Church, that’s not the Church. We can use every device we want to get people for one hour, and keep it early, and keep it moving, and keep it going, because people have important things to do that day. That’s not the story of the Christian Church, that might be the story of your Church, but that’s not the Church Jesus built. In the history of revivals down through the ages have taught us that whenever things have grown craze, commercial, secular and hard and worldly, God sends a revival. And what’s always the sign of a revival? Behold, they pray, the Church begins topray. Moody goes somewhere in England, and they begin to pray. Finney goes to upstate New York, and they begin to pray. The great awaking happens in America, and they begin to pray, who was the fancy preacher? Nobody, they prayed. Where was the great music, awe they made great psalms, but that was not the great thing about it, they prayed. Prayer preceded it, prayer kept it going, and the minute prayer ended, the Spirit of God lifted and we got back into tough times for the Church of Jesus Christ.

The greatest thing anybody can learn in this building is how to pray. How to call on God so that God intervenes in a situation. They continued steadfastly in the Apostles Doctrine, and in fellowship and in the breaking of bread and in prayer, and that is the Church.

 

[pastac]

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greatest thing anybody can learn in this building is how to pray. How to call on God so that God intervenes in a situation. They continued steadfastly in the Apostles Doctrine, and in fellowship and in the breaking of bread and in prayer, and that is the Church.

But we make up that Church you speak of. We and many of our brothers and sisters, an cousins who are spiritually dull, carnal, backslidden, deaf and dumb, arrogant, leaning to their own understanding, unfaithful, busybodies and the list goes on this is what makes up the church. Yes this is the state of the Church. So yes pray. Pray often but realize we are the Church so if the Church is flawed what does that mean?
I was told when I was a your minister that sheep eat. So sheep leave behind sheep stuff! Lots of people don't have good eating habits and try to eat anything but have a hard time digesting some of the foods they eat. Naturally as well as spiritually. Just a few thoughts.

 

[Osiyo]

@pastac, excellent rebuttal, but I was told once that God can use anything, even the "stuff" left on the floor of a church. My train of thought is this:

If one doesn't want "stuff" on the floor then one shouldn't have any sheep, no sheep, clean floor, but as I started to say can use the "stuff" form the floor, He can turn it into fertilizer and use it to raise up good crops? Oh the wonders of our God!

 

[gamlet]

Gamlet, Sunday worship did not replace the Sabbath. Sunday worship is a day to fellowship with believers, teaching, and to honor God. The Sabbath was a foreshadowing of Christ (Col. 2:16-17), who is our rest, if we enter into His rest we also have rested from our works (Heb. 4:9-10).

Btw, it does matter for it to be repeated in the NT if it's a important issue. Also Revelation 1:10 says the 'Lord's day' that it's most likely Sunday, not the Sabbath.

Sorry, it is most likely the Sabbath day. That's how they called the Sabbath back then because Jesus said He was the Lord of the Sabbath. Who calls Sunday the Lord's Day? Well, Webster does. He probably picked it up from a tradition that is not as old as the Bible, because everyone in the Bible kept the Sabbath.

The Sabbath calls for a literal physical rest aside from its symbolic value. By the way, the Roman Catholic Church historically claims that they were the ones who transferred the holiness of the day from Sabbath to Sunday. it's in some of their catechisms.

 

[gamlet]

This seems to me to be more hair splitting. If a man works six days and rest one day does it matter what day that is? Come on, Everyday belongs to Christ. We serve him each day so whatever day we set aside to rest from our labor is ok.
Sabbath Defined is
Day of the week set aside for worship and observance of religious duties in Judaism and Christianity. The Jewish Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday and lasts until sunset the next day, during which time no ordinary work or act of labor is performed. For most Christian denominations, the Sabbath is on Sunday; prescribed conduct varies considerably, but attendance at worship services is a feature common to all.
I'm not Jewish so I don't observe the Jewish Sabbath.
I was raised that Sunday was the day of rest that I follow mow I'm older and wiser and realize if I need to mow my yard on Sunday I will because I can rest on Tuesday because I honor God each day. But I will set asisde a day of rest but it may not be Sunday,

I'm not Jewish but I keep the Sabbath. I was also raised thinking that Sunday was the day of rest. But thank God that the light about the Sabbath came to me. I have realized that it was not meant for the Jews only since it was instituted at Creation when there were no Jews yet and that everyone in the Bible kept the Sabbath including Jesus and Paul and John long after Jesus had been resurrected.

Yes, people are free to choose what day they want to worship. But God has set up the order of the universe and He has chosen a day for all creation to worship Him. It is the seventh day of the week. Why the seventh day? Well, God has His reasons. He gives no explanation for this in the Bible. In the same way, there's no explanation why there are seven days in a week. There are 365 days in a year because that's the time it takes the earth to revolve around the sun. There are 30 days in a month (give or take 1 or two) because of the lunar cycle. But why are there seven days in the week? We may credit that to God's sovereignty. He chose it to be that way.

The Sabbath has been the greatest of blessings for me because I have a whole 24 hours each week to meditate on how Christ has acted in my life and rejoice in His presence without the disturbance of business or work. I'm not saying that everybody else also keep the Sabbath. I'm just asking people to study about it. it might also prove to be a blessing for somebody else.

 

[sparkman]

The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant
Exodus 34:28 “So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the word of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 31:18 “And he gave to Moses when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deut 4:13 “And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone”.
Deut 9:9 “When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you.”
Deut 9:11 “And at the end of forty days and forty nights the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and Israel, not God and Christians
Ex 31:12-17 And the Lord said to Moses, “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.”
The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for ANYONE
Heb 8:13-9:4 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. For a tent was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table, and the bread of the Presence. It is called the Holy Place. Behind the second curtain was a second section called the Most Holy Place, having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.
Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterwards, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith
Gal 3:25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a guardian
2 Cor 3:4-18 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even much more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
The Sabbath, as part of the Old Covenant, is not in affect for ANYONE
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
Rom 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Col 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ
Jesus is our Sabbath or spiritual rest, and we enter into that spiritual rest by placing our faith in Him
Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and lean from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Heb 4:1-8 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest. “ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.”. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today”, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted. “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had not given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from is works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Christians are under the New Covenant, which has much higher demands and different commandments
Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.”
Heb 9:15 Therefore, he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Jn 15:12 This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Jn 15:17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
I am a former Sabbathkeeper due to my association as a new believer with Worldwide Church of God (now called Grace Communion International). Worldwide Church of God came to realize in 1995 that Christians are under the New Covenant, and not the Old Covenant, and the Sabbath does not apply to Christians under the New Covenant. It was a sign of the Old Covenant (like baptism and the Lord’s Supper are signs of the New Covenant), and is not a moral absolute like Sabbathkeepers claim. Sabbathkeeping doctrine invariably takes the focus off the true gospel, which is about Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith in Him (Eph 2:8-9). As a Sabbathkeeper, I rarely heard messages about God’s grace and love; the message of such organizations invariably focuses on the Sabbath. Jesus Christ was also placed on the backburner and was not the focus of their teaching. If you would like good sources of information in regards to the Sabbath check out Grace Communion International’s website at https://www.gci.org/law I now attend an Evangelical Free church that focuses on Jesus Christ and salvation through Him, which is the true gospel.