SALVATION ("Freewill" choice, or sovereign predestination?)

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wanderer6059

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What is the truth in the Word of God on how one obtains eternal salvation? Is it optionable? Is it guranteed? Does it pertain to every human being that lives?
Romans 9:10. believe, confess.
 
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The bottom line reason for my topic is this...I hated and never believed in God, Christ, etc. It appalled me and pissed me off. Through the testimony of what society would label a "junkie/whore", I slightly doubted in my unbelief. At that very instant The Lord gave me a spiritual experience that I am unable to give justice to through explanation. I was imputed with the holy spirit, and 6-1/2 years later as I was half heartedly trying to find comfort in the Bible during a tough time, my understanding was instantaneously opened, and it explained to me my own testimony. I have been drawn to labor in the Word of God for truth, sustenance, comfort, wisdom, etc. After 13 years of rebirth I am still beside myself in amazement concerning the desires, belief, love, wisdom, and understanding that I have been given. I never asked for it, but I am unable to deny that Jesus is The Christ, and I am unable to place the righteousness of God anywhere but in the forefront of my mind. I never cared to want this, but it is truly irresistible and irrevocable. It's the best thing to ever happen to me. From what I understand is that I am chosen (said as humbly as I possibly can). THAT is why I picked the topic I picked. I KNOW what the truth is, and have been lit on fire to confess it...sorry. there's absolutely no doubt I understand what I do solely by the revelation of the Holy Spirit imputed into me. Sorry about the intense subject matter but I believe it is only intense for the most part because the uncertain want to assure their salvation when if they knew the truth, they would be set free, and it would be "Good news", and not a laborious task trying to obtain favor and righteousness in the eyes and heart of the Lord. If you are tuned to the truth, you will genuinely find his yoke to be easy and his burden light. God loves like we can not fathom. Love is given, not earned....please, rest in that love, for his grace will always superceed justice for those that believe and love him. God bless you all.
 
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The bible is clear.....

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us.

He that believes on the son is having everlasting life.

And for those who say it can be lost.....

For salvation to be lost the following must occur.....

1. Jesus is a liar

a. I will never leave you nor forsake you
b. All that the Father hath given me I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day

2. The Power of God is weak, inept and must fail

a. We are KEPT by the power of GOD through faith

3. Christ is weak and fails in his work of faith

a. Jesus is the BEGINNER, FINISHER and COMPLETES the work of FAITH HE BEGAN IN US

4. THE words ETERNAL and EVERLASTING are LIES by GOD and actually MEAN TEMPORAL and CONDITIONAL

a. HE that believes on the son is HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE
b. ....AND I GIVE UNTO THEN ETERNAL LIFE

5. The SEALING of the HOLY SPIRIT is UNDONE and GOD LIED

a. SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION by the HOLY SPIRIT of PROMISE

6. GOD LIED AGAIN because the seed we are BORN of is CORRUPTABLE

a. Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

7. John is a liar when he writes we may KNOW we have eternal life (see point 4)

a. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

8. God lied again when he inspired...

a. NOTHING shall separate you from the LOVE OF GOD

and ON and ON and ON and ON and ON......

It must be tragic to believe in a weak, inept god that cannot keep his word, his promises and one whose power is unable to keep you saved after he saved you at YOUR WORST and while in a totally LOST STATE!