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The word salvation can be used in may instances, i would like to hear from people what they think about whether a person will go to hell if they have not yet cometo believe that jesus s god,
I do fear for peoples salvation and i would not like for make the decision that God has to make but never the less God is Godand i respect that,
Ok a person says or believes that jesus s the son of God , and then one day he gets told jesus is God, what do i do about that, i show them this [video=youtube;Wa-dzR943po]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa-dzR943po[/video]
so after the they have watched the video they still dont believe ,, what do i do ,, i have 3 options should i say 1 read the scriptures take your time and then answer. or number 2 i say your dammed meanng your going to hell, or number 3 i go and get a mod and kick get them booted out of the chat rooms for 1 to 2 weeks to take time and reflect, now befor i give him the boot should i say anything if i have to make that decision which i dont because im not a mod, (im thinking what would be the mods reason for booting ,. as well here .thanks for any help on ths salvaton issue which i feel affects both sides believers and unbelievers
I do fear for peoples salvation and i would not like for make the decision that God has to make but never the less God is Godand i respect that,
Ok a person says or believes that jesus s the son of God , and then one day he gets told jesus is God, what do i do about that, i show them this [video=youtube;Wa-dzR943po]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa-dzR943po[/video]
so after the they have watched the video they still dont believe ,, what do i do ,, i have 3 options should i say 1 read the scriptures take your time and then answer. or number 2 i say your dammed meanng your going to hell, or number 3 i go and get a mod and kick get them booted out of the chat rooms for 1 to 2 weeks to take time and reflect, now befor i give him the boot should i say anything if i have to make that decision which i dont because im not a mod, (im thinking what would be the mods reason for booting ,. as well here .thanks for any help on ths salvaton issue which i feel affects both sides believers and unbelievers
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hmmm no one wants to answer i wonder why maybe its because god makes that desicission or maybe i could of worded it differently.. how ever i did not choose number 2 which was to damm them to hell sombody else did in a room full of people.
i pray that whoever hears this message will remember what the lord says and the lord wants everyone to be saved,, the lord wants his children not to go to the enemy ok and i also feal that salvation issues like this are best if kindness and patience is shown.
i pray that whoever hears this message will remember what the lord says and the lord wants everyone to be saved,, the lord wants his children not to go to the enemy ok and i also feal that salvation issues like this are best if kindness and patience is shown.
As believers we can't quite condemn as God can, but we can pray in hopes that maybe someday they will see. Perhaps, if the Spirit is in them, it should do the convicting and leading into the mystery of the Gospel. However, pertaining to the basis of Scripture, wherein stated to test the spirits whether they be of God or not, If they do not confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, then maybe it is more plain to conclude. We were also not of God at one point in our lives, so them too can be saved, and turned around, directed on the strait and narrow path of the one truth.
There is importance in stressing the divinity of Christ, because He himself proclaims He is the Truth, the Life, and the Way, no man comes to the Father but by Him. So they must see the necessity for mediation. If this Triune God lives in us, The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, it is plain and simple what Scriptures like the majority of the book of the Gospel according to John, the first chapter of Hebrews and quite evidently, throughout the bible, it is thoroughly a well implied concept this including the Scriptural proofs of the Trinity, as well as the divinity of the Son.
As well known by many we are all at different stages of our walks wrought in Christ. So, perhaps words spoken will settle in, in time to come. To tell a brand new Christian who hasn't read much of anything in the bible, uh yes, Jesus Christ is God, he may wonder to himself, especially when the Trinity is mentioned. It is completely necessary to study to show yourselves approved before God, also to be well learned in Scripture, that you will not be tossed about on every wind of doctrine. So, that being said O' my fellow believers in Christ, seek wisdom and obtain understanding, never give in/up/out, the Truth will set you free.
There is importance in stressing the divinity of Christ, because He himself proclaims He is the Truth, the Life, and the Way, no man comes to the Father but by Him. So they must see the necessity for mediation. If this Triune God lives in us, The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, it is plain and simple what Scriptures like the majority of the book of the Gospel according to John, the first chapter of Hebrews and quite evidently, throughout the bible, it is thoroughly a well implied concept this including the Scriptural proofs of the Trinity, as well as the divinity of the Son.
As well known by many we are all at different stages of our walks wrought in Christ. So, perhaps words spoken will settle in, in time to come. To tell a brand new Christian who hasn't read much of anything in the bible, uh yes, Jesus Christ is God, he may wonder to himself, especially when the Trinity is mentioned. It is completely necessary to study to show yourselves approved before God, also to be well learned in Scripture, that you will not be tossed about on every wind of doctrine. So, that being said O' my fellow believers in Christ, seek wisdom and obtain understanding, never give in/up/out, the Truth will set you free.
First and foremost, God wants us to be saved and not perish...The bridge...the gap...the vastness between...our separation from God has been joined through the blood sacrifice of his son Jesus Christ...
Remember that God measures what's in your heart...He can see through the flaws that trips us up in daily life...We all sin and fall short but he knows that if you have the true and open heart to receive his grace and a servant's heart, God will see through the rest and gauge you for who you are...
That's why I personally feel that it is never up to us to look at someone and say: "I'll bet that person's going to hell"...because we do not know what God sees in the heart of that individual...
Remember that God measures what's in your heart...He can see through the flaws that trips us up in daily life...We all sin and fall short but he knows that if you have the true and open heart to receive his grace and a servant's heart, God will see through the rest and gauge you for who you are...
That's why I personally feel that it is never up to us to look at someone and say: "I'll bet that person's going to hell"...because we do not know what God sees in the heart of that individual...
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Ok, I will make a post, I have been suffering with a fever ,but it has gone. My second hearing went better than the first. I apologized to my accuser for calling him a "lying bastard", He tried to sell my junk for good roofing, he deserved the accusation, it was truthful; But ,herein the Philippine is is a criminal offense. . I have dealt with a few bastards in my life time, one who was renting an apt. for us and threatened to kill me, that was a piece of cake ,in the states, you can call anyone, anything, but don't say."I will kill you, if," that is an automatic ticket to jail. Here , the playing field is not level for us foreigners. the judges throw the book at us. . My lawyer friend is quite concerned for me. My accuser thinks he should teach me a listen, so he may not agree to a settlement out of court. please. pray with me. Hopefully, I could end of being deported,because ,I will go to jail before I pay that bastard to much money. I have spent 4,000,000 million,pesos, for the poor already. All my savings are gone. If I am deported ,I would partition my Phil. wife and start a ministry in the states and keep this church/school running here, In God's providence, that is fine with me. Sooo, the subject at hand is: Can a person be saved and reject Jesus as GOD almighty? My ans. is, NO. sorry ,supper is on. Love to all, Hoffco
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Salvation requirements starts with Jesus' Deity. In Jh.8:58 Jesus said,"Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was , I AM." ( " I AM" is the GOD,LORD, ALMIGHTY of the Jews.) This is the teaching of Jesus and the New Testament. Jh.8:24 Jesus said, "..if you do not believe that I am, you will die in your sins." and in v.28 "...When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things." ( I deleted the italicized "he" after "I am" because "he" is added by the translators, it is not in the Greek text.) Many more verses could be added from the Old and the New Testaments to prove the Deity of the eternal "Word of God" who became the man, Jesus. This is Jesus ' answer to your question , can one be saved if they don't accept Jesus as God? NO. they can not be saved. Love to all, Hoffco
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Many people are really deceived as to what the death of Jesus does for us sinners. They said it saves all persons automatically, if they never denounce it. This is not true. The death of Jesus on the cross does not save anyone, it only makes salvation possible for all who will receive Him. Jesus died for all, in the sense, He opened the way to Heaven for those who will repent of sin, trust in Him and will live a life of obedience to Him. Salvation is conditioned on these three things, repent, trust and obey. This is the same way God saved the elect ones in the Old Testament. The O.T. , just added a lot of othes laws for them to obey, those laws, we don't have to obey any more. Jesus fulfilled many O.T. laws and throw them out. Jesus still requirers us to keep the Moral Laws of the O.T.. but Jesus throw out the Sabbath laws. The N.T. tlls us not to keep the O.T. sat. Sabbath. We are told to worship on the first day ,Sun. because of the resurrection of Jesus on Sun.. Some saved Christians do worship on sat. but they are wrong, but they will not be lost because of it. Love to all, Hoffco
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thankyou for your reply you have shown me something new in john 8:24 however for the newby john 8:24 would not be clear cut to someone wanting to know jesus is god because it does not say jesus is god and newbies want to know it once they have been told this i,"if you understand what i mean ,, for instance lets look at jesus and philip john 14:8-9 , jesus said to philip how can you say show me the farther any one who has seen me has seen the farther, now philip was an apostle , was philip still an apostle after his question to jesus did jesus answer philip and say if you do not believe who i am you wll die in your sins, nope. in my opinion he gave him the benifit of the doubt ,, now the point is that philip was a mature christian who needed to know this answer. he was not answered with if you do not believe you will go to hell,
ok a newby seeking to know the truth is good and this question is important no one wants to be condemed to hell for wanting to know the truth ,,(this is important because and it may seem that people are saying that he is not because thay havent understood,) the start of john 8:16 befor your 8:24 hoffco john 8:16 says the farther who sent me is with me ,,? for a newby wanting to know jesus is god this could be confusing because it looks likes 2 seperate people,, i know this not be true and i understand your point your making but for new converts its different ,, later on jesus was asked where is your farther in john 8:19 , jesus answered you know neither me nor the the farther ,, again to newbies this looks like 2 seperate people.
so i hope you can understand that is a salvation issue that people need help with, when you read the bible it should be to learn and spread the the good news ,, no where in the bible does it say we have the right to read scripture that has convicted you or i to condem others to hell, that decission is for god and god alone.
, when i say this it s not to codem you or make you look bad because i understand what your saying but i am saying this because because poeople who are in sin will use whatever scripture they can to condem others.
ok a newby seeking to know the truth is good and this question is important no one wants to be condemed to hell for wanting to know the truth ,,(this is important because and it may seem that people are saying that he is not because thay havent understood,) the start of john 8:16 befor your 8:24 hoffco john 8:16 says the farther who sent me is with me ,,? for a newby wanting to know jesus is god this could be confusing because it looks likes 2 seperate people,, i know this not be true and i understand your point your making but for new converts its different ,, later on jesus was asked where is your farther in john 8:19 , jesus answered you know neither me nor the the farther ,, again to newbies this looks like 2 seperate people.
so i hope you can understand that is a salvation issue that people need help with, when you read the bible it should be to learn and spread the the good news ,, no where in the bible does it say we have the right to read scripture that has convicted you or i to condem others to hell, that decission is for god and god alone.
, when i say this it s not to codem you or make you look bad because i understand what your saying but i am saying this because because poeople who are in sin will use whatever scripture they can to condem others.
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Mark 11:24Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
Mark 2:7“Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Matthew 9:6But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home.”
Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
John 8:36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Romans 8:2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Acts 13:39Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
John 1:12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
John 8:35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
Mark 2:7“Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Matthew 9:6But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home.”
Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
John 8:36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Romans 8:2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Acts 13:39Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.
John 1:12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
John 8:35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
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mark 11.25 and when you stand and pray forgive anything you have against someone so that your farther in heaven will forgive thewrongs you have done.
mark 2.8 at once jesus knew what they where saying and thinking jesus said its easier to say to this man your sins are forgiven.
mathew 9.6 instead you are to go to the lost sheep of isreal and preach
mark 16:17 believers will be given power to perform mirracles
john:8:42 jesus said to them if god really where your father you would love me because i came from God and now i am here.
romans 8:6 to be controlled by human nature results in death to be controlled by the spirit results in life and peace.
acts 13 31 after jesus was raised from his grave his apostles where witnesses for him for all time to come.
mark 2.8 at once jesus knew what they where saying and thinking jesus said its easier to say to this man your sins are forgiven.
mathew 9.6 instead you are to go to the lost sheep of isreal and preach
mark 16:17 believers will be given power to perform mirracles
john:8:42 jesus said to them if god really where your father you would love me because i came from God and now i am here.
romans 8:6 to be controlled by human nature results in death to be controlled by the spirit results in life and peace.
acts 13 31 after jesus was raised from his grave his apostles where witnesses for him for all time to come.
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To the OP. when a person rejects Christ ( and many will) we do not condemn. We say well, may God bless. Then we pray for that person until we are told not to pray for them anymore. God told Samuel not to pray for Saul anymore. All we can do is present the word and let the Holy Spirit do the rest. I can swing a bat pretty good. But I can not force salvation. If I could you would see me on the news knocking heads.
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you have said something which is very important here this is the mark of a true soilder for we all have been lost , because to be born again is to become saved and when your born again you realise that jesus is the way and for most this is when they come to realise that jesus is our saviour,
For the lost people they do not realise this and like every christian who where once lost like the lost are now , its important not to kick them out and turn your back on people who are lost,
If a person is not believing that jesus is god i think its beter to say that the son the farther and the spirit are one and thats it, or maybe show them some more scripture, , how many of a percentage would you say had a hard time working the trinity out when they where first saved ,, ?
If the person is of a diffrent faith like muslim or many of the other faiths, and they continue to say they dont believe, to turn your back on them because of this or to fall out with them is to condem them to hell. and this is where my fear for peoples salvation, for the reasons for many scriptures i have posted above.
mark 11.25 and when you stand and pray forgive anything you have against someone so that your farther in heaven will forgive thewrongs you have done.
For the lost people they do not realise this and like every christian who where once lost like the lost are now , its important not to kick them out and turn your back on people who are lost,
If a person is not believing that jesus is god i think its beter to say that the son the farther and the spirit are one and thats it, or maybe show them some more scripture, , how many of a percentage would you say had a hard time working the trinity out when they where first saved ,, ?
If the person is of a diffrent faith like muslim or many of the other faiths, and they continue to say they dont believe, to turn your back on them because of this or to fall out with them is to condem them to hell. and this is where my fear for peoples salvation, for the reasons for many scriptures i have posted above.
mark 11.25 and when you stand and pray forgive anything you have against someone so that your farther in heaven will forgive thewrongs you have done.
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1 corinthians 12.3 and none can say Jesus is lord except by the holy spirit,,
this scripture i had a problem with until i read another translation, i want you to know that no one who is led by gods spirit can say a curse on Jesus and no one can confess Jesus is lord without being guided by the holy spirit.
when i read the first translation i use to think you where not allowed to confess Jesus is lord because im not the holy spirit ,,? i never understood this.
after reading translation 2 i became aware of Jesus living in me. and i started to wonder about confessing that Jesus is lord.
wow it hit me.
i can also remember arguing with people and people saying your wrong and me not excepting there understanding, i never knew that the spirit could live in you. i knew that our bodies are a temple , but always joked about that like, showing off etc.
so like i could of been saved a lot earlier maybe my time had not come, who knows why my lack of knowledge and gifts of understanding the word where not there ,, maybe i should have asked a pastor or a priest, instead i asked a yank on an internet site yikes. mind you the yank said read the scriptures an me being me ignored his advice and so like, i lent on my own understanding that Jesus was the son but not Jesus was god. so i would pray to god for the truth maybe my prayers have been answered now i still do not fully understand the trinity ,but i feel the sense that Jesus is God, thank you lord amen
this scripture i had a problem with until i read another translation, i want you to know that no one who is led by gods spirit can say a curse on Jesus and no one can confess Jesus is lord without being guided by the holy spirit.
when i read the first translation i use to think you where not allowed to confess Jesus is lord because im not the holy spirit ,,? i never understood this.
after reading translation 2 i became aware of Jesus living in me. and i started to wonder about confessing that Jesus is lord.
wow it hit me.
i can also remember arguing with people and people saying your wrong and me not excepting there understanding, i never knew that the spirit could live in you. i knew that our bodies are a temple , but always joked about that like, showing off etc.
so like i could of been saved a lot earlier maybe my time had not come, who knows why my lack of knowledge and gifts of understanding the word where not there ,, maybe i should have asked a pastor or a priest, instead i asked a yank on an internet site yikes. mind you the yank said read the scriptures an me being me ignored his advice and so like, i lent on my own understanding that Jesus was the son but not Jesus was god. so i would pray to god for the truth maybe my prayers have been answered now i still do not fully understand the trinity ,but i feel the sense that Jesus is God, thank you lord amen
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Ezekiel 3:18-21
If i announce that an evil person is going to die that you do not warn him to change his ways so that he can save his life, he will die, still a sinner, and i will hold you responsible for his death.
19 If you do warn an evil man and he doesn't stop sinning He will die, still a sinner but your life will be spared, if a truly good starts doing evil and i put him a dangerous situation he will die if you do not warn him he will die because of his sins i will not remember the good he did and i will hold you responsible. if you do warn a good not to sin and he listens to you and doesn't sin he will stay alive , and your life will also be served
If i announce that an evil person is going to die that you do not warn him to change his ways so that he can save his life, he will die, still a sinner, and i will hold you responsible for his death.
19 If you do warn an evil man and he doesn't stop sinning He will die, still a sinner but your life will be spared, if a truly good starts doing evil and i put him a dangerous situation he will die if you do not warn him he will die because of his sins i will not remember the good he did and i will hold you responsible. if you do warn a good not to sin and he listens to you and doesn't sin he will stay alive , and your life will also be served