Satan deceives w/ signs and wonders; when does that start?

LEPIDUS · May 28, 2014

So I was raised believing that people can perform miracles ( of course not by any human power) but through the Holy Spirit; such as healing, tongues etc. I've never considered that this belief might be the one described in the bible as the times when Satan will deceive people w/ signs and wonders because i've always understood that would happen after the rapture, but now apparently I may be wrong regarding that too. I've been contemplating this lately and if this is true I would hate to reject it as the truth because of the consequence described in the bible. I don't know if I even have a question, or if any of what I wrote makes sense. I don't even know where to begin to study haha.. I've only even considered this alternate possibility because apparently there hasn't been any claims of miracles for a long time, and that this movement only began I believe about 100 years ago. I don't know what my question is but any reply might help. Thank you, and I don't know if there is a post on this already so I apologize in advance.

2 Thes 2:9
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,

Mark 13:22
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

2 Thes 2:7-12
7. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
8. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.9. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
10. and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12. in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2Thewaters · May 28, 2014

It started in 321 AD with bleeding pictures, shrouds of tourin, tatutes that weep, crippled that are healed while they worship idols in shrines directly after the word of God etc

but will maximize when satan comes down dressed like Jesus with blond hair (see Revelation) going around the world decieving the nations so they will take the mark of the beast and he will call fire down from heaven in the site of men etc etc

Tintin · May 28, 2014

2Thewaters said:

It started in 321 AD with bleeding pictures, shrouds of tourin, tatutes that weep, crippled that are healed while they worship idols in shrines directly after the word of God etc

but will maximize when satan comes down dressed like Jesus with blond hair (see Revelation) going around the world decieving the nations so they will take the mark of the beast and he will call fire down from heaven in the site of men etc etc

Please provide poof for the bold textual claim. Thanks.

ForthAngel · May 28, 2014

I think it started around the Azusa street revival as far as the coming of the lawless one, which has already been at work in the world since the 1st century. But now is the time of 2 Thessalonians 2 with the modern sign chasers exploding out of control and the complete disregard and blaspheming of scripture by those paving the way for the movement.

[h=3]2 Thessalonians 2[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)

[h=3]The Man of Lawlessness[/h]2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]2 [/SUP]not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[SUP][b][/SUP] is revealed, the son of destruction,[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? [SUP]6 [/SUP]And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. [SUP]9 [/SUP]

The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,[SUP]10 [/SUP]and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, [SUP]12 [/SUP]in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[h=3]Matthew 7:21-23[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)

[h=3]I Never Knew You[/h][SUP]21 [/SUP]“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [SUP]22 [/SUP]On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ [SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Jackson123 · May 28, 2014

The bible said if the prophecy not come to pass, then the prophet is not from the Lord.

There are some Benny Hinn prophecy not come to pass but he make a lot of miracle. Is the miracle from the Lord?

Can false prophet make miracle from the Lord?

Benny Hinn False Prophecies - Homosexuals, Castro, Appearance of Jesus - YouTube

ForthAngel · May 28, 2014

Jackson123 said:

He's one of hundreds in the modern signs movement.

LEPIDUS · May 28, 2014

2Thewaters said:

I can see how bleeding pictures, statues weeping, etc can be as sings and wonders, but maybe I should be more specific about what I meant. Recently I've considered the possibility that you receive the gifts of the holy spirit such as healing, tongues etc. only by the laying of the hands of apostles (bearing the mark of a true apostle) which might not exist in this present day and age since all the apostles from then are dead.

I don't know just a thought maybe deception of the enemy for within the body of Christ?

and from your second paragraph I understand that the deception (maximized) will not occur till after Satan comes but is that before or after rapture is there a rapture? I know no one can know only theorize but it would play a significant part in someones belief because if the deception is not till after the rapture if there is one then the gifts of the spirits now are legit, and one would not be believing a false doctrine accepting the Truth. If that makes sense? And if the deception is before the rapture then well I don't know if what we consider as Truth is an accurate doctrine, interpretation of scripture. One would be rejecting the truth. Sorry so many questions haha. I hope it makes sense.

and I don't know about the whole blonde thing haha that is irrelevant i think

and fire down from heaven; is that calling judgement?

1 Timothy 4:14
Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through prophecy when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

Acts 6:6
They presented these men to the apostles, who prayed and laid their hands on them.

2 Timothy 1:6
For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands

2 Corinthians 12:12
The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance, by signs and wonders and miracles.

ForthAngel · May 28, 2014

LEPIDUS said:

Fire is bad.

2Thewaters · May 28, 2014

LEPIDUS said:

I can see how bleeding pictures, statues weeping, etc can be as sings and wonders, but maybe I should be more specific about what I meant. ...? I know no one can know only theorize but it would play a significant part in someones belief because if the deception is not till after the rapture if there is one then the gifts of the spirits now are legit, and one would not be believing a false doctrine accepting the Truth. ... I hope it makes sense.

and I don't know about the whole blonde thing haha that is irrelevant i think

and fire down from heaven; is that calling judgement?

2 Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Cor 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be posing as the ministers of righteousness;
whose end shall be according to their wicked works.

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Miracles will play an important part in tricking the majority of christians to follow the beast and take the mark of the beast which, if you take it, you will be cast into the lake of fire no matter what you profess to believe...

The fire from heaven is a miracle... that backfires and destroys much of the earth...Men playing with powers too great to control...

Psa 7:16 His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.......

it will actually wipe out Babylon, even though the beast started it...

LEPIDUS · May 28, 2014

ok so then as believers we will go through the tribulation? and what it boils down to is if we take the mark or not ?

Where do you get it is a miracle and backfires? Aside from that verse i don't get how that applies.

saved1975 · May 28, 2014

LEPIDUS said:

So I was raised believing that people can perform miracles ( of course not by any human power) but through the Holy Spirit; such as healing, tongues etc. I've never considered that this belief might be the one described in the bible as the times when Satan will deceive people w/ signs and wonders because i've always understood that would happen after the rapture, but now apparently I may be wrong regarding that too. I've been contemplating this lately and if this is true I would hate to reject it as the truth because of the consequence described in the bible. I don't know if I even have a question, or if any of what I wrote makes sense. I don't even know where to begin to study haha.. I've only even considered this alternate possibility because apparently there hasn't been any claims of miracles for a long time, and that this movement only began I believe about 100 years ago. I don't know what my question is but any reply might help. Thank you, and I don't know if there is a post on this already so I apologize in advance.

2 Thes 2:9
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,

Mark 13:22
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

2 Thes 2:7-12
7. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
8. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.9. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
10. and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12. in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Born again Christians, do miracles, healings and speak in tongues today, Or we should.
As for those scriptures, They aren't in the Church age, The Church had been raptured before the devil starts the tribulation period.

The devil does deceive people, Think about all the false religions, some even do miracles by the power of the devil, in order to make them think they are the true Church.

ForthAngel · May 28, 2014

saved1975 said:

would you be so kind as to show us a real miracle vs false. thanks.

ForthAngel · May 28, 2014

saved1975 said:

the warnings of 2 thessalonians and like verses are for the church. not false religions outside the church. its a satanic deception within the church.

saved1975 · May 28, 2014

ForthAngel said:

I didn't mention false miracles.
A Miracle from God will confirm His word and glorify God.
A miracle from the devil will deceive people and it won't glorify God... For instance, Look at the miracles the devil does in the catholic church, And they glorify Mary, Not God.

As for 2 Thess 2: 1--8, Vs 2, & 6--7, tells us that the Church is raptured before the anti-Christ can come.
V8, "Then shall the wicked one be revealed", When is the "Then"?, After the Church is taken, v7.

1 Thess 2: 20 and Ch 3: 13. says we come back with Jesus, So how can we be on the earth and going through the tribulation and coming from heaven at the same time??.

ForthAngel · May 28, 2014

saved1975 said:

I didn't mention false miracles.
A Miracle from God will confirm His word and glorify God.
A miracle from the devil will deceive people and it won't glorify God... For instance, Look at the miracles the devil does in the catholic church, And they glorify Mary, Not God.

As for 2 Thess 2: 1--8, Vs 2, & 6--7, tells us that the Church is raptured before the anti-Christ can come.
V8, "Then shall the wicked one be revealed", When is the "Then"?, After the Church is taken, v7.

1 Thess 2: 20 and Ch 3: 13. says we come back with Jesus, So how can we be on the earth and going through the tribulation and coming from heaven at the same time??.

can you show us a real one? one that confirms his word? i thought his word was confirmed and the canon closed.

Osiyo · May 28, 2014

Wow, that is new to me, at least a few of the statements are. We, the "blood bought" will not be going through the Tribulation period. Not by the mercies of God would He do that to us the wayward sheep.

It seems at the start of the 4th chapter in the Revelation of Christ Jesus that the "rapture" will take place as we go from the warning to the Church eras in the first 3 chapters, to the throne room and it's wonderful description, after all people we least not forget the vocabulary of John way back then, not all too many words to describe the Glory and beauty of Heaven, with the four beasts that stand at the four corners of the massive throne, and they represent Gods creation, they watch over it, control it. Then what they say and what it causes the 4 and twenty elders to do, and their description, and their statements, all the angles of heaven and the multitude of "resurrected blood bought" that might be described as the glass see before the throne, after all if you would look into an innumerable of "glorified faces" man would they be shiny.

Then the drama that John goes through because it seems no one can be found that able to "redeem this lost inheritance—God’s destroyed creation". And as he waited, there was no one found, not in the earth, not in heaven, nor under the earth, there was no one found. And the seer (John) writes it in a way you can see the deep agony of his soul. “Kai ego, and I—then the personal pronoun is also in the verb—“And I.” And I—eklaion—And I burst into open lamentation and audible sobs.” You find that same and identical verb in its imperfect tense, just like it is here in the Revelation, in Luke 19:41: “And when the Lord was come near, he beheld the city and eklaion—the same, same imperfect verb—and he audibly lamented over it.” He burst into tears, looking upon it. That is John’s description of the agony of his soul as he breathlessly waited for some qualified redeemer to come forward and to take that possession and to give it back to a lost and destroyed humanity. And as he waited, and as he waited, and as all heaven was breathless and hushed and silent, there was no one, no one who came forward, who was able and worthy to take the book of the montage deed of God’s creation and to redeem it back to those who whom it rightfully belonged. And John, as he waited and as no one came forward and John burst into audible lamentation and tears.

These are the tears of all God’s people through all of the centuries. Those tears of the Apostle John are the tears of Adam and Eve, driven out of the Garden of Eden, as they bowed over that first grave; as they watered the dust of the ground with their tears over the silent and still form of that son, Abel. Those are the tears of the children of Israel in bondage as they cried unto God in their affliction and in their agony. These are the tears of God’s elect through the centuries as they cried unto heaven. These are the sobs and the tears that have been wrung from the heart and the soul of God’s people as they look on their silent dead, as they stand beside their open graves, as they experience, in the trials and in the sufferings of life, those heartaches and those disappointments indescribable. Death is the curse that sin and transgression has laid upon God’s beautiful creation. And this is the damnation of the hand of him that holds it, that usurper, that interloper, that intruder, that alien, that stranger, that dragon, that serpent, that Satan-devil. “And I wept audibly,” for it meant that consigned forever, this earth, in its curse, for it meant that death and sin and damnation and hell should reign forever and ever and the sovereignty of God’s earth should remain forever in the hand of Satan. “I wept much because not even one in heaven, in earth or under the earth, was found worthy to open the book and to loose those seven seals, and to cast out these who curse and damn our earth. “I wept.”

“And one of the elders said unto me, Weep not: behold, behold” [Revelation 5”5]—and one of the elders. Why? I thought it was a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice. No. And it is one of the elders. “Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted” [Matthew 5:4]. “And one of the elders”—one who himself had known what it was to be regenerated in his heart, one who himself who had known what it is to be redeemed, his body raised out of the dust of the ground and out of the heart of the earth, and one of the elders, one of the redeemed, one of the blood-bought—“one of the elders said unto me, Weep not: behold, behold.” And that has been the cry of the church through all of these centuries: “Weep not, weep not. Lift up your eyes. Lift up your heart. Raise your soul. Look! Behold, behold!” That is what the prophets saw when they looked forward to see a day, and they saw it and were glad. That is what the first Christian heralds, that’s what they announced to the world. That is what they said. That is what they preached. This is the gospel of the Son of God: “Weep not! Weep not! Behold, behold!” “One of the elders said unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to break those seven seals of encumbrances and to lift the inheritance and to buy it back and to redeem it to Adam’s fallen race. Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David…” [Revelation 5:5]

Tintin · May 28, 2014

saved1975 said:

Born again Christians, do miracles, healings and speak in tongues today, Or we should.
As for those scriptures, They aren't in the Church age, The Church had been raptured before the devil starts the tribulation period.

The devil does deceive people, Think about all the false religions, some even do miracles by the power of the devil, in order to make them think they are the true Church.

Some can, some can't. We're all given different gifts.

ForthAngel · May 28, 2014

saved1975 said:

2 thessalonians 2 says that day (rapture) will not come until the man of sin is revealed. rapture would be after that. if the 1st century church were burned alive, beheaded, tortured and murdered, and crucified, what makes us think we will be saved from it? how arrogant. nothing in scripture points to a "sneaking in and out" of Jesus. this is new doctrine not believed by the early church. when Jesus returns he's coming with force and with a shout of a trumpet like lightning across the sky and everyone will see him.

LEPIDUS · May 28, 2014

Osiyo said:

I'm sorry this whole reply confused me maybe just cause of how the chapters were presented.. I can read revelations my self.

Osiyo · May 28, 2014

For the confused and we are all confused, the anti-Christ starts with the signs and wonders, and his right hand partner the false witness after we the blood-bough are gone, in fact God will have the "brakes one (shorten the time) because even some of the elect might be "tricked" by all the supernatural things going on after all we are being conditioned though movies and films about people with super powers and all other kinds of things about supernatural beings. The signs of the end times are all around us people, open your eyes and look, for Christ is at hand. That is our hope.

Don't worry about the things of tomorrow for there will be enough evil there in.

Satan deceives w/ signs and wonders; when does that start?

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