Satan, the mind reader

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silverwind

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resurrection33 said:
Yes, but in order for me to tempt you to sin, doesn’t Satan have to get into my mind to influence me to do that?

No, you can’t blame Satan for your evil thoughts—you can resist putting them there yourself and resist thinking about things that suddenly seem to appear in your mind—but can’t Satan place thoughts in your mind? How can he tempt you, or have me tempt you, without placing thoughts into either yours or my mind?
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I would think that any thoughts are my own. Isn't any temptation always instilled through visual stimulation, which leads to thoughts? Should we give satan that much credit to tamper with our thoughts?
When he tempted Jesus in the wilderness, he did it 'in the spirit' ... but wasn't it all visual? Jesus was weak from fasting... satan tried to tempt Jesus based on his physical needs... but to actually PLACE a thought into our minds? I have to get to the scriptures to understand this concept better. :)
 
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silverwind said:
I would think that any thoughts are my own. Isn't any temptation always instilled through visual stimulation, which leads to thoughts? Should we give satan that much credit to tamper with our thoughts?
When he tempted Jesus in the wilderness, he did it 'in the spirit' ... but wasn't it all visual? Jesus was weak from fasting... satan tried to tempt Jesus based on his physical needs... but to actually PLACE a thought into our minds? I have to get to the scriptures to understand this concept better. :)
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Jesus and Satan talked to each other, according to the Bible.
 
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Here's the Truth of the Matter

SATAN CAN NOT READ OUR MINDS

However:

Don't be deceived, Satan is no dummy. He may not have wisdom but he does have TONS of knowledge. He has been around for ever 6000 years on this earth. He has perfected his craft of deceiving people.
He does not need to read someones mind to know how to tempt them. He can see our behavior patterns & he knows when we are weak in situations.

He has idea times to tempt us. Like he did, with Jesus, he waited till he was weak, so he would do the same for us.

Do you really think Lucifer could read Jesus mind?

If he could, he would have not even bothered to tempt him, for it was hopeless for Lucifer but he did not realize the Love bond that Yeshua actually had with Jehovah. But like Jesus said, He's a Liar & he only comes to Kill Steal & Destroy. Those are his 3 Goals. & No matter who you are, He will never stop pursuing his goals until he is bounded.

Now don't be discourage because Whenever you are tempted you must know that GOD ALWAYS PROVIDES A WAY OUT & HE WILL NEVER LET YOU BE TEMPTED BEYOND WHAT YOU CAN BARE. For he is a Faithful God.

The one that is in you is MUCH stronger than the one that is in the world.

God Bless the Saints. In Jesus name.
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I think your post hits the nail on the head :)
 
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silverwind said:
I would think that any thoughts are my own. Isn't any temptation always instilled through visual stimulation, which leads to thoughts? Should we give satan that much credit to tamper with our thoughts?
When he tempted Jesus in the wilderness, he did it 'in the spirit' ... but wasn't it all visual? Jesus was weak from fasting... satan tried to tempt Jesus based on his physical needs... but to actually PLACE a thought into our minds? I have to get to the scriptures to understand this concept better. :)
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You said,
Isn't any temptation always instilled through visual stimulation, which leads to thoughts?
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Is this true? What of the sin of pride, where people seek power and position? How does a visual stimulation enter in? Satan is the tempter:
And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread." Matt 4:3 RSV
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How does he tempt us?
 
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resurrection33 said:
Jesus and Satan talked to each other, according to the Bible.
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Ok, looking at the passage in Matthew 4 we see an actual conversation between Jesus and satan. Correct? Consider the fact though that Jesus was without sin. Much like Eve was without sin before she gave in to satans deceptive ways. Therefore I believe it was 'not in the mind' but an actual conversation that went on. After the fall (after Eve and Adam ate) all of humanity was cursed through sin by ONE act. Satan cannot go and whisper words into your mind if he is busy tempting someone else for he is NOT omnipresent. Whatever thoughts you may have that deal with temptation, they are yours alone. Satan accomplished that (unfortunatly) by the one act in the garden of Eden. If I am wrong in this, please correct me :)
 
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silverwind said:
Ok, looking at the passage in Matthew 4 we see an actual conversation between Jesus and satan. Correct? Consider the fact though that Jesus was without sin. Much like Eve was without sin before she gave in to satans deceptive ways. Therefore I believe it was 'not in the mind' but an actual conversation that went on. After the fall (after Eve and Adam ate) all of humanity was cursed through sin by ONE act. Satan cannot go and whisper words into your mind if he is busy tempting someone else for he is NOT omnipresent. Whatever thoughts you may have that deal with temptation, they are yours alone. Satan accomplished that (unfortunatly) by the one act in the garden of Eden. If I am wrong in this, please correct me :)
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I don’t think sin comes about by one act that Satan committed long ago. The Bible describes Satan as the tempter, which tells me he is busy tempting. How does he do it?
 
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resurrection33 said:
I don’t think sin comes about by one act that Satan committed long ago. The Bible describes Satan as the tempter, which tells me he is busy tempting. How does he do it?
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worldly (visual) desires that please the flesh, as soon as we set our minds on 'worldly things' he has access to tempt us, but he cannot read our minds. That is afterall the title of this thread. (man, i feel like i'm in school again, lol) Aren't fallen angels called 'watchers'? .. not mind readers.
 
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silverwind said:
worldly (visual) desires that please the flesh, as soon as we set our minds on 'worldly things' he has access to tempt us, but he cannot read our minds. That is afterall the title of this thread. (man, i feel like i'm in school again, lol) Aren't fallen angels called 'watchers'? .. not mind readers.
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How does Satan tempt us into prideful acts such as “social climbing”?
 
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resurrection33 said:
How does Satan tempt us into prideful acts such as “social climbing”?
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he cleverly uses things such as.. facebook (more friends shows you are more popular)
porn.. fulfill selfish needs (however empty)
secular music .. to play with your emotions...
media .. to tell you you need this and this and this to be a better person.

my point is, he uses THINGS to get inside our head. That does not make him a mind reader. :) he already knows where Eve fell.
so.. if you feel pulled towards something tempting, isn't it YOU who decides to give in? yes, he tempts us, but he doesn't know the thoughts of man. By all means, scripture verses in this would be very helpful :)
 
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silverwind said:
he cleverly uses things such as.. facebook (more friends shows you are more popular)
porn.. fulfill selfish needs (however empty)
secular music .. to play with your emotions...
media .. to tell you you need this and this and this to be a better person.

my point is, he uses THINGS to get inside our head. That does not make him a mind reader. :) he already knows where Eve fell.
so.. if you feel pulled towards something tempting, isn't it YOU who decides to give in? yes, he tempts us, but he doesn't know the thoughts of man. By all means, scripture verses in this would be very helpful :)
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But how does he use these things? He has to DO something, right?
 
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resurrection33 said:
But how does he use these things? He has to DO something, right?
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I'm going to read the book of Job. :)
I don't believe satan manipulates our thoughts, other than with external means to cause us to stumble.
 
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By the way, I’m not saying he manipulates our thoughts. I’m suggesting maybe he can place thoughts into our heads. It’s up to us to ignore those thoughts, if that is what he does.
 
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resurrection33 said:
By the way, I’m not saying he manipulates our thoughts. I’m suggesting maybe he can place thoughts into our heads. It’s up to us to ignore those thoughts, if that is what he does.
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This question might be a bit easier to dissect. By actually placing thoughts into my head, he might try to cause me to shift my thinking away from God, such as self-pity, self-loathing, hatred, etc; by making things of the flesh easily available to me. Does that make sence? And as we see over and over just be these threads on different topics, isn't it evident how much people struggle to resist temptations that are so easily available. Could satan 'whisper' into our mind? maybe through evil spirits which are all around us? But does he know my every thought? no. Only God knows those. So I believe satan manipulates the environment to make it easy for us to sin. Anything that pleases the senses.
 
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resurrection33 said:
Satan tempts us, and it seems to me, therefore, he needs access to our minds. For instance, to tempt me into prideful behavior, doesn’t he have to place ideas into my mind?
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Hi Resurrection33,

Yeah, Satan can sure tempt us, but even if he fails in his quest, he doesn't give up right away. Instead he sends his little evil pets - like the sinister, soul-sucking Vampire Apple do do his dirty work for him. vaDB1.jpg So, be careful, my friends, and always be vigilant. You can never tell in what form temptation will make itself known.

- KayCee
 
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no satan cant read ur mind he gets us by what we tell him or how we act .
 
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Hi Resurrection33,

Yeah, Satan can sure tempt us, but even if he fails in his quest, he doesn't give up right away. Instead he sends his little evil pets - like the sinister, soul-sucking Vampire Apple do do his dirty work for him. View attachment 890 So, be careful, my friends, and always be vigilant. You can never tell in what form temptation will make itself known.

- KayCee
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Thank you. I will be very vigilant.
 
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The devil and his demon's have done this a very long time and they know us and our generational curses, ever notice when a loved one dies their trouble starts looking for a place to go. They just whisper key words or memory's that send us on a whirlwind if we don't take every thought captive unto the obedience of Christ! Don't ask me how I know.
 
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I've always been told no. But our evil fleshly self can make it seem so. Any good thought you come up with, the fleshly side can come up with a bad thought. Plus the devil knows humans inside and out. They've had thousands of years to watch people. They see us watch us and hear us. So they know just what to throw at us. They do their jobs well.
 
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I have a serious problem with everyone answering "no, satan can't read your mind."

Where does it say in the Bible that satan can't read your mind? Where then do we get these beliefs from? Should we not err on the side of caution?

There are so many things people assume that simply aren't in the Bible. Like, some people assume that sin is passed on through the father and not the mother. Where is that found in the Bible?

People just take whatever belief has been handed down to them as Bible truth, and it often isn't. We all need to trash our inherited beliefs, and read the Bible with a completely open mind. It's hard, I know. But we must.

Quest
 
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