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K
My reply is because a couple of you try to make Matthew 7:21-23 say that those people thought they could earn heaven by their works when it says no such thing.
These people mentioned their works because they thought they were living like they were suppose to and had salvation already. Lord Jesus tells them no because they practiced lawlessness, which means they continued to live a carnal lifestyle. They did not give up their sinful ways by truly repenting of them and turning to walk in the Spirit.
The bible more than once says that if you are in Christ you are to walk as He walked, walk in the light and not darkness, walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh, obey the righteousness of the Lord and not the lusts of the flesh, and so on.
A true born again believer will have the Holy Spirit in them to guide them and the fruits of the Spirit will be evident in that persons walk, deeds, works, actions, speech, and rather they will receive salvation. The bible clearly says no fruits of the Spirit produced then that person is not born again, and that branch with no works will be gathered and burned up.
[h=1]John 15:1-10[/h][h=3]The True Vine[/h]15 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vine dresser. 2Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.
K
Of course after Paul converted he did not murder, steal, lie, covet, and so on because he walked in the Spirit and not in the flesh. Before he came to Christ he was guilty of murder and all the other sins, so once again you are showing exactly what Paul said we as believers in Christ can not continue to live a sinful lifestyle if we are hoping to receive salvation.
A few people need to understand the willful sinner the bible speaks of, and it does not mean if you sin today you did it willfully. The willful sinner is the one who continues everyday to continue to commit the same sins without repenting or confessing them to the Lord and letting that Godly sorrow and the Holy Spirit help you to turn away from them.
For one to say they are in Christ and then continue to do the same sins everyday the bible states those people are trampling the blood of Christ underfoot.
I think you misspoke here, he was replaced by Matthias...
Act 1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Act 1:23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
K
It is called doing back ground study on the early church and who were apostles and who were not.
There are many letters that were written by the early church leaders that were taught by the main 12, and in those letters they name tons of people who were apostles. Even Luke 10:1 I mentioned shows that the Lord appointed 70 more, in which we are not told their names but goes to show their was way more then just the main 12. The main 12 were just His personal chosen Apostles to carry His teachings to the other apostles.
dc is stuck in some kind of stuck position because of some kind of stuck reason that i'm stuck not finding out --- and .....
i was going to say not inclined to research nor try to find out....
but, if he wants to pursue the truth, he will have to say he wants to pursue the truth and/or start listening to
others who know the truth even if he disagrees for now.... if he doesn't want to know, then no one can help him, unless of course God softens his heart and shows him mercy to grant to him the knowledge of truth.....
which we all are dependent on (God's mercy)..... i.e. not a blame game here, sheer amazing grace !\
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p.s. edit.. btw, i don't know that i know ANYONE who agrees with dc, so it's kind of awkward.... why does he think the way he does...?
i was going to say not inclined to research nor try to find out....
but, if he wants to pursue the truth, he will have to say he wants to pursue the truth and/or start listening to
others who know the truth even if he disagrees for now.... if he doesn't want to know, then no one can help him, unless of course God softens his heart and shows him mercy to grant to him the knowledge of truth.....
which we all are dependent on (God's mercy)..... i.e. not a blame game here, sheer amazing grace !\
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p.s. edit.. btw, i don't know that i know ANYONE who agrees with dc, so it's kind of awkward.... why does he think the way he does...?
MAYBE, could have, should have, what if and any other phrase or word of like order mean nothing....We can only go by what the bible states and there are only 13 that have been identified and called Apostles in the scriptures....anything beyond this scope is surmising, guesses, conjecture and cannot be ruled in favor of JOHN....... 
Acts 1:26 plainly says that he was numbered with the other eleven. As far as being heard from again, not in scripture but then where do we read of Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot?
Actually we can find them in secular history but not in the scripture.
Actually we can find them in secular history but not in the scripture.
K
MAYBE, could have, should have, what if and any other phrase or word of like order mean nothing....We can only go by what the bible states and there are only 13 that have been identified and called Apostles in the scriptures....anything beyond this scope is surmising, guesses, conjecture and cannot be ruled in favor of JOHN.......
Acts 14:14
But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out
K
1 Thessalonians 1:1
Paul and Silvanus and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.
1 Thessalonians 2:6
Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ.
Paul and Silvanus and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.
1 Thessalonians 2:6
Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of Christ.