Saved from sin while still committing sin??

[PennEd]

Absolutely fair question.
So we have some who see these verses, and understand rightly I believe, that to try and split hairs between "willing" sin, and garden variety sin is foolish. They solve the problem by simply saying they don't sin anymore. That's your sinless perfection heresy.

Then there are those who RIGHTLY understand that they indeed still DO sin, but they try and use the small print escape clause that their sin isn't really "willing sin". I believe this type of thinking displays a lack of understanding regarding God's Law and His perfect Standard.
It is dangerous because it can give the enemy a foothold when the Truth finally hits home, that ALL sin is willing. At that point the enemy will attck with condemnation and guilt on the person.

I'm working so I'll finish when I can.

So what to do about the verses then? It absolutely says "willingly sin."

Well Jesus tells us that ALL sin that man commits WILL be forgiven, SAVE blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. So somehow THAT sin is tied to Hebrews 10.

If we take Hebrews as whole, and Chapter 10 specifically, we see that the author is hammering away at those who trample the Blood of Christ, and insult the Spirit of Grace. How were they doing that?

It was incredibly hard for the Jews who had thousands of yrs of history, to just discard the Law. Especially when it came to animal sacrifices for atonement of sin. It's really no different than many today, that want to add SOMETHING to Jesus' ONE TIME PERFECT SACRIFICE.

So they heard the knowledge of the Truth, that Jesus Christ is God in the Flesh, concieved by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin,suffered, was crucified, died as the Perfect Lamb who takes away their sin, AND REJECTED IT! And wanted to go BACK to the Law and the animal sacrifices, thereby trampling on HIs Blood.

So I would submit that the willing sin is UNBELIEF in Who Jesus is, and what He has done, and that His Blood ALONE is not sufficient for the remission of sin.

I can tell you, that since this revelation has become evident to me, I sin LESS, MUCH less in fact, than when I thought the other interpretation was right.

May God's peace, love, and Grace be with you!

 

[OneFaith]

*Random person who calls Jesus 'Lord' commits a sin and then says "Ahh it feels good to be saved from sin!"*

That's like saying you're saved from drowning while still being 600 feet deep under water in the ocean and trying to breathe.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

If you are in Christ. You are trying your best not to sin. But if you do mess up, Christ's blood washes it away. But if you give up trying not to sin, and sin willfully, you will no longer be in Christ, and your sins will no longer be washed away, because you have tried to use God's grace as a license to sin.

Its like this... you are standing next to a waterfall, and mud is being flung at you. It dries and cakes on as new mud keeps piling on, and you look like one big blob. But then you decide to stand under the waterfall. Instantly all the mud is gone- both the old mud and the new. Still mud is flung at you, but it doesn't even reach you, and even if it did it would be instantly washed away.

But you start missing the mud- the feel of it on your skin. So you sit down and inch your way toward the mud. You spread it on your arms and legs. You are partially in the mud, and partially under the water. You see a loved one and reach out your arms saying "Come give me a hug." They say not until you clean yourself off. You say, "But I am clean from the waterfall." And they say "You're in denial."

You can't two-face God- it's all or none. "If you are lukewarm I will vomit you out of my mouth." "If you sin willfully, there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins."

 

[kaijo]

Re: Saved from sin while still committing sin?? arial

So what to do about the verses then? It absolutely says "willingly sin."

Well Jesus tells us that ALL sin that man commits WILL be forgiven, SAVE blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. So somehow THAT sin is tied to Hebrews 10.

Yes ALL sin is able to be forgiven, IF one Truly asks for forgiveness from their inner most depths.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Luke 17:4
And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, 'I repent,' forgive him.

But as far as I can tell...its Not a "given" that all sin will be forgiven. There is a requirement first. Which is to "confess" or to "repent" in prayer.

If we take Hebrews as whole, and Chapter 10 specifically, we see that the author is hammering away at those who trample the Blood of Christ, and insult the Spirit of Grace. How were they doing that?

It was incredibly hard for the Jews who had thousands of yrs of history.....

Is it really the Jews that the author was referring to?

Lets look at Hebrews 10:26 once more...

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins

And now lets jump down to Hebrews 10:32 ..where the author applies a Solution/Encouragement ...to whom he was referring to in Hebrews 10:26...

Hebrews 10:32
But recall the former days in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings

And then the author goes on to encourage us to keep enduring...

So they heard the knowledge of the Truth, that Jesus Christ is God in the Flesh, concieved by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin,suffered, was crucified, died as the Perfect Lamb who takes away their sin, AND REJECTED IT! And wanted to go BACK to the Law and the animal sacrifices, thereby trampling on HIs Blood.

Yes, Jesus IS the Perfected Sacrifice which was offered up....which can Now remove our sin from us completely (IF we genuinely ask for His forgiveness). Because animal sacrifices could never remove our sin. Lets step back a bit, and look at Hebrews 10:11-14...

Hebrews 10:11-14
11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

But is that really the End?
THIS Perfect Sacrifice told us to pray like this:

Luke 11:2-4
Our Father in heaven,[a]
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.[b]
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins,
For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.

So...Even though Jesus is the One True and Perfect Sacrifice that is capable of removing our sins Fully... even He instructs us to continue to pray for the forgiveness of our sins. And how often should we pray? Well it says there... "day by day" (or daily).

And...how often did the Jews sacrifice animals for their sins? Well, weren't they daily also? (the "daily sacrifices").

So, to me... the daily animal sacrifices are the "veiled" version of the remission of sins...and daily prayer is the "unveiled" version of the remission of sins. Animal sacrifices became worthless because the Jews of old would just sin away...thinking "nothing" of it...and kill some animals later on... believing that will be sufficient to cover their "tracks".... and would be "acceptable" to God. But God doesn't want that. He wants repentance to come from the heart, which is what they were not doing.

But Now...He requires it to come from the heart! Thats why Jesus , the Perfect Sacrifice Himself, ​instructs us to ask for forgiveness of sins during our daily prayer. Coz "acceptable" prayer can only come from within. It cannot be "faked".

Therefore, concerning Our generation... Those who live "The Life" thinking that ..."ahh its okay, im saved already!" and Don't actually ask for forgiveness from within anymore... are no better than those who offered up their animal sacrifices without True repentance...but rather, lean on the fact that they are "saved". (Just like those of old believed)

 

[kaijo]

And its because of that Revelation ....i find that i sin less also ^^

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Sin loses it's fun after a period of time when you are in Christ.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Sin loses it's fun after a period of time when you are in Christ.

No Christian has victory over all things. This is why we must understand justification.

The scripture says, "There remains much more land to be posses (Joshua 13:1)."

 

[kaijo]

So what to do about the verses then? It absolutely says "willingly sin."

Well Jesus tells us that ALL sin that man commits WILL be forgiven, SAVE blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. So somehow THAT sin is tied to Hebrews 10.

If we take Hebrews as whole, and Chapter 10 specifically, we see that the author is hammering away at those who trample the Blood of Christ, and insult the Spirit of Grace. How were they doing that?

It was incredibly hard for the Jews who had thousands of yrs of history, to just discard the Law. Especially when it came to animal sacrifices for atonement of sin. It's really no different than many today, that want to add SOMETHING to Jesus' ONE TIME PERFECT SACRIFICE.

So they heard the knowledge of the Truth, that Jesus Christ is God in the Flesh, concieved by the Holy Spirit, born of a virgin,suffered, was crucified, died as the Perfect Lamb who takes away their sin, AND REJECTED IT! And wanted to go BACK to the Law and the animal sacrifices, thereby trampling on HIs Blood.

So I would submit that the willing sin is UNBELIEF in Who Jesus is, and what He has done, and that His Blood ALONE is not sufficient for the remission of sin.

I can tell you, that since this revelation has become evident to me, I sin LESS, MUCH less in fact, than when I thought the other interpretation was right.

May God's peace, love, and Grace be with you!

So , what do you think about my reply?

HERESY? ^^

 

[tourist]

So , what do you think about my reply?

HERESY? ^^

HERSHEY? Had some the other day. At some Reese's too.

 

[kaijo]

So , what do you think about my reply?

HERESY? ^^

Please dont take it the wrong way either..

Im not here to "out do" anyone.

Im here to expand on my "own" understanding.

So if u can prove my understanding wrong, with logic and reason, then i am one who LOVES correction, and will ADD it to my current level of understanding.

But if u cant prove me wrong...then I will be strengthened even "more so" by my current level of understanding... knowing that i am on the right "track".

I am here to Grow even more so in the Lord, one way or the other

 

[unobtrusive]

Accordingly, there is a trespass offering given to us through Jesus Christ. This is to cover sin that you are unaware of due to "ignorance". When the sin becomes found out through the lack of said ignorance, then the grandeur of the sacrifice is much more appreciated.

'"Study' to show yourself approved unto God"
"And be sure your sin will find you out." (Number 32:23)

 

[kaijo]

Accordingly, there is a trespass offering given to us through Jesus Christ. This is to cover sin that you are unaware of due to "ignorance". When the sin becomes found out through the lack of said ignorance, then the grandeur of the sacrifice is much more appreciated.

'"Study' to showyourself approved unto God"
"And be sure your sin will find you out." (Number 32:23)

Im not sure i understand.

Are you saying that if you ignore certain sins.... your covered?

Please expand ^^

 

[kaijo]

To me... ignorance means you are aware of something..but choose to ignore it.

 

[kaijo]

Oh no...your right... just googled its definition ^^... how ignorant of me ^^""

 

[Zmouth]

Take thou shalt not steal for example.

So what is stealing. Is it taking of someone else's property without their knowledge and consent. But if someone threatens to harm them unless they consent does that mean they didn't steal it. How about fraud and deception, insurance companies lobby the legislators to require a person to have liability insurance for each car they own yet I don't know anyone that can drive two cars at once so are we being defrauded by having to purchase two liability insurance policies are is the government lying to us about aliens because everyone knows aliens can drive more than one car at a time, that is why they are don't object to multiple liability policy requirements for individual with more than one vehicle.

Prior to the Exodus the children of Israel borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment, whether or not they intended to pay the Egyptians back is a question that I can not answer. Yet would borrowing something that you don't intend to repay be stealing? But of course the children of Israel were not under the OT covenant yet since it had yet to be given to Moses.

When considering that it shall be done in heaven as it is done on earth, will your mansion be full of treasure or trouble [Prov 15:6]

30 Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry;
31 But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house.
Prov 6:30-31

So if the gospel is a Divine truth from is freely given from heaven to them that understand it upon hearing, then would be stealing if were not received by faith as written in Proverbs 23:23?

 

[Bladerunner]

The bottom line is if You are truly saved you will not willfully sin any more. Sin, Yes , everyman does and will always until death. Jesus died for the Sins of all on earth... Past, Future and Present. BUT if you do not believe in HIM and continue to Sin then Your soul in a very real danger.

 

[Muzungu256]

That's so sekkluud mon and such a sipple issue.....​

he gets it!!

 

[Enow]

Adam Clarke's commentary makes a lot of sense in regards to the letter to the Hebrews:

Verse 26

For if we sin wilfully - If we deliberately, for fear of persecution or from any other motive, renounce the profession of the Gospel and the Author of that Gospel, after having received the knowledge of the truth so as to be convinced that Jesus is the promised Messiah, and that he had sprinkled our hearts from an evil conscience; for such there remaineth no sacrifice for sins; for as the Jewish sacrifices are abolished, as appears by the declaration of God himself in the fortieth Psalm, and Jesus being now the only sacrifice which God will accept, those who reject him have none other; therefore their case must be utterly without remedy.

This is the meaning of the apostle, and the case is that of a deliberate apostate - one who has utterly rejected Jesus Christ and his atonement, and renounced the whole Gospel system. It has nothing to do with backsliders in our common use of that term.

A man may be overtaken in a fault, or he may deliberately go into sin, and yet neither renounce the Gospel, nor deny the Lord that bought him. His case is dreary and dangerous, but it is not hopeless; no case is hopeless but that of the deliberate apostate, who rejects the whole Gospel system, after having been saved by grace, or convinced of the truth of the Gospel.

To him there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin; for there was but the One, Jesus, and this he has utterly rejected.

I believe the "For if we sin willfully .... " has to deal with acknowledging that there is no more sacrifice for sin, but yet still believe there is a need to repeat or to receive that sacrifice for sin again. That is sinning willfully after having that knowledge of the truth that there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin.

Hebrews 10:[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. [SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: [SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? [SUP]30 [/SUP]For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. [SUP]31 [/SUP]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

That is how you treat the blood of the Covenant; the blood of the Son of God with disgrace by treating His blood to be on par with the blood of bulls and goats that it has to be repeated as in received again and again and again, and why those that commit that sin are still His people, but hoo boy. Are they gonna get it .. unless they repent.

Catholics are receiving that one time sacrifice for sins "made presently" in the Mass to receive again and again, and that, brother, is where they are in trouble with the Lord for that.

Communion is to be done in remembrance of Him ONLY; not about receiving Him again nor that one time sacrifice for sin made present to receive "again".

They may not agree that they are sacrificing Him again on the cross as some Protestant accuse them of, but in the actual language of the catholic catechism, the priests through the Mass are making that one time sacrifice for sins "present" again to receive again.... and yet we are only to receive that one time to honor Him and that is done by believing in Him when we got saved.

That is why the Holy Spirit dwells in us permanently as a testimony that we have eternal life and thus we are saved so to seek to receive another sacrifice for sin, even if they try to cover it up by saying it is the one time sacrifice for sin, but being made present and available for all to receive... is still seen as receiving that sacrifice for sins "again" as if the first time was not good enough for a saved believer to receive the promise of eternal life with the Witness of the permanent indwelling Holy Ghost to that truth.

Anyway, that is how I believe your scriptural reference should be applied towards because that is what I believe Paul is really talking about here in that chapter. It has nothing to do with any other sin but that one sin of knowing there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin, but yet continue to seek & to receive that sacrifice for sin again thus making the blood of the Covenant on par with the bloat of goats & bulls that it needs be repeated & thus received again.

 

[MattforJesus]

Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

All sin can be forgiven.

I believe this means that if we hold unto sin,and will not give it up,that the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away,for God will not take away sin we will not give up,and it will be on our record.

At the time we are engaging in sin the blood of Christ cannot take it away,but we can repent of it,and not want it,and if we mean it,the blood of Christ will take it away,but if we hold unto it,and do not want to give it up,say cheating on the wife for 2 years,then the blood of Christ cannot take it away under that circumstance,until they give up the sin,and mean it,then the blood of Christ can take it away.

We can always be forgiven of sin,so it surely does not mean if we sin,we are hit,and lose salvation,for we can repent,and mean it,and boom,it is forgiven,but if we hold unto sin at the time we hold unto it,the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away.

While we are engaging in sin,the blood of Jesus cannot take it away,until we repent,and if we hold unto sin,the blood of Jesus cannot take it away,until we repent.

And God knows the heart.

Repent means turning away from sin,and do not want that sin,and mean it in your heart.

Repenting of sins,is not sinning,asking forgiveness after the deed is done,and then holding unto it knowing you will do it again,and then sin,ask for forgiveness after the deed is done,and repeat that process,for that is not repenting of the sin.

But some people with their relaxed interpretation of scripture will say,we do not need to repent,for our sins are always forgiven past,present,and future,and sin does not affect our relationship with God,so many hold unto sin,and think they are alright.

But obviously by scriptures this is not true,for the blood of Christ would not be able to wash it away in that situation.

Jesus said whatever is in the heart is what comes out,so if they think sin,and do sin,then that is what is in their heart,so how are they clean at all times,and their relationship with God is not affected by it.

1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.

Charity,love in action,is what saves us.

Love does not think a evil thought,and does not sin.

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Love only goes by needs,and helps other people with their needs.

To hold unto sin,and to not love people properly,then the blood of Jesus cannot wash away that sin.

There is a lot of people that engage in sin,and lack helping people,catering to their wants,and fleshy pleasures,and worldliness,that think they are alright,but then under that circumstance the blood of Christ cannot wash away their sins.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

 

[DiscipleDave]

*Random person who calls Jesus 'Lord' commits a sin and then says "Ahh it feels good to be saved from sin!"*

That's like saying you're saved from drowning while still being 600 feet deep under water in the ocean and trying to breathe.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Scriptures are clear, those who knowingly and willingly commit a sin, is a servant to that sin.
Scriptures are clear, Those who do unrighteousness are UNrighteous.
Scriptures are clear, get rid of the sin that so easily besets you.
Scriptures are clear, shall we continue to sin, God forbid <-- That means NO.
Scriptures are clear, Awake to righteousness and SIN NOT
Scriptures are clear, those who willingly sin are indeed children of the devil.
Scriptures are clear, Jesus says "Go and Sin no more" told to a woman, but that can be interpreted away by saying He was referring to her adultery ONLY and not sin in general, altogether changing what Jesus actually said to fit into their own interpretation of what they call truth. What they can't do is explain away, or interpret the exact same thing said "Go and sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you" to the man, that they have a difficult time explaining away, and therefore just ignore it altogether, and say nothing.

Scriptures are clear, that no Liar will enter into Heaven. But this generation of hypocrites believe they can continue to lie, and yet not be judged as a liar, and therefore making void all the verses which teach a liar will not enter into heaven, for they think they can continue to lie, as long as they claim they are Saved and believe in Jesus, that no matter what they do, lying, hating others, not forgving others, they will still go to Heaven because they think they are SAVED, altogether ignoring, making void, or interpreting away any verse which clearly teaches otherwise.

1Jn_3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Did you hear that? Are you listening to the Holy Word of God? Are you so deaf and blind that you refuse to see the above verse and hear what it is saying. This verse tells us plainly who are the children of the devil and who are the children of God. Anyone, that is what "Whosoever" actually means, there is NO exceptions here. Whosoever does not do that which is righteous is a child of the devil. PERIOD. Who of you will argue with the Word of God? So then if freely choose to commit a sin, which you know full well is evil and is sinful, but you choose to do it anyways, how are you not a child of the devil? This verse specifically is taught to Christians, This verse specifically says "Whosoever" Does not say "except if your saved" NO, it says Whosoever does not do that which is righteous, is a child of the devil.
Children of God = Those who do that which is righteous = Very few.
Children of devil = Those who do that which is unrighteous = Very Many.

Woe to those who think they are Righteous, yet do that which is unrighteous, these are all Lukewarm Christians, and Jesus Christ will spue them out of His Mouth. You are either a Good Tree which only produces good fruits, or you are a bad tree, which produces some bad fruits. Any Tree that willingly produces a very small amount of bad fruits is still a bad tree because of the fruits that it bares.
Hypocrites = Those who profess they are good Tree, yet some of their fruits are bad. All the while thinking they are still Good even though they produce a very few bad fruits. Know you not it is the very few bad fruits that you produce that makes you a bad tree entirely.

Hypocrites are they who say they are made free from sin, yet continue to live in sin. Jesus Christ has freed me from sin, because of Him, i no longer commit any sin. Because of Jesus i do all things to please Him, because of Jesus Strength and Power, He helps me to overcome any temptation that satan throws at me. Jesus has freed me from sinning. If then i continue to commit a particular sin, how am i free from that sin? Jesus freed me from porn, that is, i no longer look at any porn whatsoever, because Jesus has freed me from that sin. But if i continue to look at porn, how has Jesus freed me from porn? Woe to those who think they are freed from sin, all the while they continue to willingly live in it. If you are living in sin, you are in bondage to that sin, and in no way free from it. Jesus can free you from any sin that you are entangled in, but you must desire to cease from that sin, in order for Jesus to help you be free of that sin. This is something this generation, which loves to sin, is not willing to do, they would much rather choose to believe they can continue to willingly obey satans temptation and live in sin, and still go to Heaven, still be SAVED. This is a doctrine of devils, which teach men that they can still go to Heaven AND live in sins too. Hypocrites they are, indeed. Professing that Jesus is their Lord, all the while they obey satan and live in sins, altogether failing miserably to understand the Scriptures which teach, who you obey is your Master. These are devoid of the TRUTH, and will falsely accuse anyone who teaches otherwise.

SIN is evil
SIN is against God
SIN is Wrong
SIN is darkness
SIN is unrighteous
To willingly SIN is to deny Christ which provided a path for you to overcome that temptation. You deny His Power and His Strength. Why? Because you WANT to SIN, because you love to SIN, because you do not want to cease from that SIN, that is why.

Every single message that Jesus gives to the seven Churches in Revelations is to them that have OVERCOME. Woe to this generation that is before me today, for they take thought they need not overcome anything at all, just as long as they believe in Jesus , they are fine and do not need to overcome anything at all, they are Saved, and they could not do anything at all that can cause them to lose that Salvation, they are untouchable in their own eyes.

Here is something to think about if you believe OSAS. Do you believe satan is an idiot? satan is the god of this world, and he knows the Bible better than we do. But let us assume for one moment if a person gets Saved they are Always Saved and they can't possibly lose that Salvation, answer me this, Why would satan even bother tempting a person who can never lose their salvation, if he can never get that person? He would be waisting his time and energy tempting those who are Saved if they can't lose it, ever. So satan tempts a Saved person to commit fornication, WHY? if that Saved person commits fornication, they are still going to Heaven, so why then would satan tempt a Saved person to commit fornication if it serves no purpose for him at all for a Saved person to do that?
Now if a person could fall away from God, that is to say, Once they were enlightened and have tasted of the good fruits, have chose to fall away from His Grace, well then it would behoove satan to try to get everyone to live in sin, Saved and unsaved alike. IF the Saved can fall away from God, then satan would have a very good reason to attack the SAVED, to get them to live in things that Scriptures plainly teach will not enter into Heaven. For example Scriptures are clear that no fornicator will enter into Heaven. What? a Saved person can fornicate and they are NOT a fornicator? NO that is not True. So then satan will indeed attack a SAVED person and tempt that Saved person to live in fornication, Why? Because if they continue to live in fornication on Judgement Day, Jesus will judge that Saved person to be a fornicator. And Scriptures can't be broken, no fornicator will enter into Heaven. So now satan does tempt Everyone to live in sin, because he knows that anyone, that Whosoever continues to live in sin, is his child, and will be in his army in the end. Woe to this generation indeed which believes they can continue to live in sins, and still go to Heaven. i have told you the TRUTH, i have told you things that God has told me. You do not believe me, because you do not believe God told me these things, what is that to me? whether you believe God or not believe God, what is that to me. i have done what He instructs me to do, and that is to teach this generation the things He has told me, this i do, and my hands are clean, if you choose to ignore the things i tell you which comes from God.

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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[MrChris]

*Random person who calls Jesus 'Lord' commits a sin and then says "Ahh it feels good to be saved from sin!"*

That's like saying you're saved from drowning while still being 600 feet deep under water in the ocean and trying to breathe.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Struggling with your sin nature and willfully living in sin are two different thing's. I think you are referring to the wilfully one, well I hope you are.