Scripture only?

[Rock022]

Dearest Lord Father Almighty please bring peace to this forum and let us reason together as we discus Your Word. Help us get closer together as we talk to one another about the Good News of Your love. For this I pray, Amen.

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Hello all, I do not understand how we are to believe in scripture only if the bible never says that. The bible says clearly to listen to the Word of God. Some people have explained to me that the bible is inspired by God thus making it his word.

This reasoning opened me more questions than answers. God never said behold I will send you a book. God sent His Son, and Jesus never wrote a book. Christians began to divide by multitudes once the bible made it to the printing press. And if that was not all, every person that reads the bible has a different take on the scripture. I am sure God wants us to love one another not fight one another.

Other questions raised are how did people get saved in the past if the bible was not around until close to the 400AC, and it was not mass produced until recent in history. That would make for a great multitude of people who did not read the bible, and still today many people can not read. How are they to be saved?

 

[chesser]

Dearest Lord Father Almighty please bring peace to this forum and let us reason together as we discus Your Word. Help us get closer together as we talk to one another about the Good News of Your love. For this I pray, Amen.

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Hello all, I do not understand how we are to believe in scripture only if the bible never says that. The bible says clearly to listen to the Word of God. Some people have explained to me that the bible is inspired by God thus making it his word.

This reasoning opened me more questions than answers. God never said behold I will send you a book. God sent His Son, and Jesus never wrote a book. Christians began to divide by multitudes once the bible made it to the printing press. And if that was not all, every person that reads the bible has a different take on the scripture. I am sure God wants us to love one another not fight one another.

Other questions raised are how did people get saved in the past if the bible was not around until close to the 400AC, and it was not mass produced until recent in history. That would make for a great multitude of people who did not read the bible, and still today many people can not read. How are they to be saved?

before 400 AD oral tradition was all there was, you seen written things are much harder to alter as you have to get rid of the original, today, the bible would be virtually impossible to alter, also, the bible contains the words of what Jesus said, and its been 2000 years, we cant really trust oral traditions now.

 

[jkalyna]

Dearest Lord Father Almighty please bring peace to this forum and let us reason together as we discus Your Word. Help us get closer together as we talk to one another about the Good News of Your love. For this I pray, Amen.

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Hello all, I do not understand how we are to believe in scripture only if the bible never says that. The bible says clearly to listen to the Word of God. Some people have explained to me that the bible is inspired by God thus making it his word.

This reasoning opened me more questions than answers. God never said behold I will send you a book. God sent His Son, and Jesus never wrote a book. Christians began to divide by multitudes once the bible made it to the printing press. And if that was not all, every person that reads the bible has a different take on the scripture. I am sure God wants us to love one another not fight one another.

Other questions raised are how did people get saved in the past if the bible was not around until close to the 400AC, and it was not mass produced until recent in history. That would make for a great multitude of people who did not read the bible, and still today many people can not read. How are they to be saved?

YOUR PRAYER HAS BEEN ANSWERED ALREADY. THE BIBLE SAYS THERE ARE THE A TARES, OR THE {WEEDS} AMONG THE WHEAT. AS LONG AS THE TALK IS ABOUT THE LORD, THERE WILL BE THE WEEDS, POPPING UP. I'LL FIND THE VERSE AND GET POST IT HERE LATER, BUT IT SAYS IF YOU PULL ALL THE WEEDS OUT, SOME OF THE WHEAT WILL GO WITH IT,

 

[kenisyes]

Scripture, other believers, and life following Jesus support each other. Given time, your experience produces fruit that prove all three.

 

[Indubitably]

God never said behold I will send you a book. God sent His Son, and Jesus never wrote a book

Well this could be a very long, very scripture filled discourse, but the sheer logic of the matter is, if you believe Jesus and want to be a disciple, even if you doubt some of the Bible.. If you only read and obey the words of Jesus (in red in most Bibles), that is enough to understand salvation and how to live as a believer. That's really enough to get you through as you seek truth and a definitive answer. In fact, most believers don't even follow all of Jesus' teachings in Matthew, let alone the rest of the Word. Just read and study Jesus' words for now and I'm sure the Holy Spirit will teach you and show you the truth.

 

[RedTent]

Rock022 wrote: This reasoning opened me more questions than answers. God never said behold I will send you a book. God sent His Son, and Jesus never wrote a book. Christians began to divide by multitudes once the bible made it to the printing press. And if that was not all, every person that reads the bible has a different take on the scripture. I am sure God wants us to love one another not fight one another.

We are human with fleshly understanding that must be talked to through words. At first the words were memorized, not written, but God has always told us about Him through words. God has also given us the Holy Spirit so we can understand those words spiritually.

I don’t think the words of the bible (oral or written) mean much to us humans without the Holy Spirit. I used to try my best to make head or tail of scripture, and couldn’t. I could make good grades in college but the gospels were beyond me until one night at about 10:00 as I was plowing through the sermon on the mount, something happened. I swear there was a change of light in my bedroom, even. I could understand it!

Man, with his great ego, has always tried to make themselves more important than God. They construct THEIR interpretation, create isms, make denominations. We are not perfect people. My wonderful pastor, with his doctorate in theology, often tells us how the denomination we belong to wants us to believe, instead of telling us what God wants. It is up to us to know this about our fellow man and discipline ourselves to follow God, not a person’s ego.

Even God tells us we “see darkly”, we can’t understand the mind of God fully. If Christians get angry and fight on this forum, it is not reflecting God’s word. We must not judge one another. We are not perfect and the organized church isn’t perfect. Christ says we are to forgive those people. Most of us are trying to have an understanding of God’s word that is as complete as we can make it. As we reason together, it helps.

 

[Skinski7]

Dearest Lord Father Almighty please bring peace to this forum and let us reason together as we discus Your Word. Help us get closer together as we talk to one another about the Good News of Your love. For this I pray, Amen.

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Hello all, I do not understand how we are to believe in scripture only if the bible never says that. The bible says clearly to listen to the Word of God. Some people have explained to me that the bible is inspired by God thus making it his word.

This reasoning opened me more questions than answers. God never said behold I will send you a book. God sent His Son, and Jesus never wrote a book. Christians began to divide by multitudes once the bible made it to the printing press. And if that was not all, every person that reads the bible has a different take on the scripture. I am sure God wants us to love one another not fight one another.

Other questions raised are how did people get saved in the past if the bible was not around until close to the 400AC, and it was not mass produced until recent in history. That would make for a great multitude of people who did not read the bible, and still today many people can not read. How are they to be saved?

Jesus said this...

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

The Bible is indeed very important but in and of itself it is just ink on paper. God is spirit and must be worshipped in spirit and truth. Thus salvation lies in putting on the mind of Christ and coming into union with the Spirit of God.

The Bible is an expression of the mind of God as well as a standard for sound doctrine.

Before the Bible was "officially" canonised the churches still had scripture in the form of the letters of Paul, John, James etc. as well as the four Gospels.

Mort important though is they had the doctrine according to godliness. They preached Christ crucified and holy conduct. It's a very simple message. Forsake selfishness and yield to God. Love your neighbour as yourself. Do what is right.

Jesus came and died for the sins of men that they be reconciled to God. If we yield to the light that we have (whether we have a Bible or not) God will bring us to salvation one way or another.

Peter taught this...

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

God knew that Cornelius feared Him and worked righteousness and thus had the Gospel brought to him. It is no different for anyone else on earth. If an individual yields to the light already provided them in their conscience God will reveal more light to them one way or another. To think otherwise would imply that God is a respecter of persons.

 

[spirit1st]

GOD does not need the bible to reveal truth to us ! But when He does it ccmfirmed in the bible ! Listen salvation is by faith and what JESUS did for Us !

We NEED to follow GOD example ! Jesus was always Taught by the HOLY GHOST as We should be ! Of course the bible makes it Much easier for our LORD ! and US !
Listen we have so many Religions and cults because ? People are Not taught by the HOLY GHOST !
I came home from church once when young ! God spoke too me and said ? who is the most righteous in that church ? I said the pastor LORD ! He said ? HE no different than you ! i said , But LORD He your shepherd ! He said I AM THE SHEPHERD . You going to Follow me or HIM ? I said You LORD .He said DO IT THEN , it was not nice the way He said it 1 I was full of fear ! Since then i have only learned from the Holy Ghost and followed my LORD JESUS !
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

OUR is a ONE on ONE Relationship with GOD as Father and Us as son Forever more! It has nothing to do with churches here or others ! It a True LOVE story between our Father God and us thur Jesus Christ !

2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Eph_2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
　
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
　
Heb_12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb_10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Eze_11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze_36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

 

[Enow]

God never said behold I will send you a book. God sent His Son, and Jesus never wrote a book.

He left that for His disciples to do.

John 14: 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

There are two origins for source documents: one from Antioch:

Acts 11:26And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.


And the other one from Alexandria where poetic licensing & gnosticism was known in the area. Certainly by comparing the documents together, one can see what words they had kept in proving that poetic licensing was taken place.

Even though there are enough verses to testify of the deity of Christ in the NIV, choice verses are always pulled out of context for cults to thrive on as it would be those verses utilized in their teachings that would suffer changes.

So which source documents would you rely on? The ones in use by those that loved Him and His words that they would wore out the old manuscripts with newer ones or the oldest ones sitting on the shelf as proof as not being used by His disciples that loved Him & His words?

Other questions raised are how did people get saved in the past if the bible was not around until close to the 400AC, and it was not mass produced until recent in history. That would make for a great multitude of people who did not read the bible, and still today many people can not read. How are they to be saved?

That is debatable. How can Paul instruct Timothy in this wise?

2 Timothy 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Did they not use scripture as reference in Acts?

Acts 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

Did they not began writing letters in Acts to the churches?

Acts 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.

Acts 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: 31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation. 32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them. 33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles. 34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still. 35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.

Colossians 4:16And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

1 Thessalonins 5:I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

Now I ask you with charges like that for an epistle, how much more would the disciples have the four gosple, Matthew, Mark, Luke, & John be written and shared to all the churches?

Why else would there be an argument over genealogies as we have contentions today between Matthew & Luke's account?

1 Timothy 1:4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Titus 3:9But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Paul testified of knowing John having his "Revelation" experiences:

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth 4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

So my point here is... His disciples took Jesus at His words in making disciples of other believers by having His words available for believers to continue in them.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free...36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

That means just because known history reported when Bibles were being mass produced in publication, it does not mean that the collection of this Bible was not being done earlier for the NT churches. Its significance is obvious since errant Bible versions has made believers disciples of something else in His name and not His disciples in serving Him by testifying of Him in seeking His glory.

Look at how believers have become a disciple of a church in testifying of a church in seeking the glory of a church. That is proof on how believers need Hsi words to be His disciple and not a disciple of something else in His name.

2 Timothy 4:13The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.

 

[crossnote]

2Tim 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Tim 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I like what is sure..

 

[quickfire]

yes and your quite right rock and your thread reminds me so much of one of my favorite verses which is A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another..

i sometimes look at the bible and sometimes i am faced with problems and sometimes i use the bible to give me the best possible answer and i am left with a choice to decide what is the best answer i am sure in my heart that somewhere in the bible god has the one true answer for our everyday problems and for me its all about finding the right one as not to come on our own understanding or not to throw stones when some one asks a question .
like asking the lord for guidance i find this useful
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

now this was a search i did for guidance in the bible and there where answers like these other ones here

Teach me to do Your will, for You are my God; let Your good Spirit lead me into a level country and into the land of uprightness. Psalm 143: 10

Teach me Your way, O Lord, and lead me in a plain and even path because of my enemies [those who lie in wait for me]. Psalm 27: 11

Guide me in Your truth and faithfulness and teach me, for You are the God of my salvation; for You [You only and altogether] do I wait [expectantly] all the day long.
Psalm 25: 5

To shine upon and give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to direct and guide our feet in a straight line into the way of peace. Luke 1: 79

But when He, the Spirit of Truth (the Truth-giving Spirit) comes, He will guide you into all the Truth (the whole, full Truth). For He will not speak His own message [on His own authority]; but He will tell whatever He hears [from the Father; He will give the message that has been given to Him], and He will announce and declare to you the things that are to come [that will happen in the future]. John 16: 13

Lead me, O Lord, in Your righteousness because of my enemies; make Your way level (straight and right) before my face.
Psalm 5: 8

I [the Lord] will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will counsel you with My eye upon you. Psalm 32: 8

And the Lord shall guide you continually and satisfy you in drought and in dry places and make strong your bones. And you shall be like a watered garden and like a spring of water whose waters fail not. Isaiah 58: 11

In all your ways know, recognize, and acknowledge Him, and He will direct and make straight and plain your paths. Proverbs 3: 6

A man's mind plans his way, but the Lord directs his steps and makes them sure. Proverbs 16: 9

You will guide me with Your counsel, and afterward receive me to honor and glory. Psalm 73: 24

From the end of the earth will I cry to You, when my heart is overwhelmed and fainting; lead me to the rock that is higher than I [yes, a rock that is too high for me]. Psalm 61: 2

But I say, walk and live [habitually] in the [Holy] Spirit [responsive to and controlled and guided by the Spirit]; then you will certainly not gratify the cravings and desires of the flesh (of human nature without God). Galatians 5: 16

But if you are guided (led) by the [Holy] Spirit, you are not subject to the Law. Galatians 5: 18

For the Lamb Who is in the midst of the throne will be their Shepherd, and He will guide them to the springs of the waters of life; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. Revelation 7: 17

He will feed His flock like a shepherd: He will gather the lambs in His arm, He will carry them in His bosom and will gently lead those that have their young. Isaiah 40: 11

For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. Romans 8: 14

Search me [thoroughly], O God, and know my heart! Try me and know my thoughts! And see if there is any wicked or hurtful way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
Psalm 139: 23-24


i feel that sometimes i can not answer so seek god and i pray and i quite often oh lord teach me your way useful

 

[RedTent]

Skinski7 wrote: Before the Bible was "officially" canonised the churches still had scripture in the form of the letters of Paul, John, James etc. as well as the four Gospels.

You say scripture consists of letters and gospels. Are you agreeing with the Jewish people who say these are telling of a new God? I thought scripture had 66 books, from Genesis to Revelation and the Christians of the first years after Christ knew the OT books very well. I also thought the OT books explained God, the Holy Spirit, and Christ very well, and it was information we needed to know.

 

[superdave5221]

Dearest Lord Father Almighty please bring peace to this forum and let us reason together as we discus Your Word. Help us get closer together as we talk to one another about the Good News of Your love. For this I pray, Amen.

Please do not copy/paste a whole website, if that is what you would like post a link.


Hello all, I do not understand how we are to believe in scripture only if the bible never says that. The bible says clearly to listen to the Word of God. Some people have explained to me that the bible is inspired by God thus making it his word.

This reasoning opened me more questions than answers. God never said behold I will send you a book. God sent His Son, and Jesus never wrote a book. Christians began to divide by multitudes once the bible made it to the printing press. And if that was not all, every person that reads the bible has a different take on the scripture. I am sure God wants us to love one another not fight one another.

Other questions raised are how did people get saved in the past if the bible was not around until close to the 400AC, and it was not mass produced until recent in history. That would make for a great multitude of people who did not read the bible, and still today many people can not read. How are they to be saved?

The Scriptures weren't around until 400 AD?

Matthew 4: 1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted1 by the devil.22 After fasting forty days and forty nights,3 he was hungry. 3 The tempter4 came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God,5 tell these stones to become bread."4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'a "65 Then the devil took him to the holy city7 and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 "If you are the Son of God,"8 he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: " 'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'b "97 Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'c "10 8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." 10 Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan!11 For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'d "12 11 Then the devil left him,13 and angels came and attended him.14

Then what is Jesus referring to?

What did Jesus Christ, the Son of God, do when challenged by Satan? He called upon the AUTHORITY of the written word of God (Scriptures) to answer Satan. Satan was forced to submit to the Authority of the Scriptures. Because the Scriptures represent God Himself, and His Authority.

What did God do when He presented the Ten Commandments to the Hebrews? HE WROTE THEM DOWN! What did Joshua do after the first few battles in Palestine were won? HE REWROTE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!

THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURES REPRESENT GOD AND HIS AUTHORITY AS REVEALED BY THE PROPHETS, THE SON, THE APOSTLES AND AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVES. AND THAT IS WHY WE APPEAL TO THE SCRIPTURES, AND NOT TO RANDOM EXPERIENCES TO FIND GOD'S REVEALED TRUTHS.

 

[Rock022]

The Scriptures weren't around until 400 AD?

Matthew 4: 1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted1 by the devil.22 After fasting forty days and forty nights,3 he was hungry. 3 The tempter4 came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God,5 tell these stones to become bread."4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'a "65 Then the devil took him to the holy city7 and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 "If you are the Son of God,"8 he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: " 'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'b "97 Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'c "10 8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 "All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." 10 Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan!11 For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'d "12 11 Then the devil left him,13 and angels came and attended him.14

Then what is Jesus referring to?

What did Jesus Christ, the Son of God, do when challenged by Satan? He called upon the AUTHORITY of the written word of God (Scriptures) to answer Satan. Satan was forced to submit to the Authority of the Scriptures. Because the Scriptures represent God Himself, and His Authority.

What did God do when He presented the Ten Commandments to the Hebrews? HE WROTE THEM DOWN! What did Joshua do after the first few battles in Palestine were won? HE REWROTE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!

THE WRITTEN SCRIPTURES REPRESENT GOD AND HIS AUTHORITY AS REVEALED BY THE PROPHETS, THE SON, THE APOSTLES AND AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVES. AND THAT IS WHY WE APPEAL TO THE SCRIPTURES, AND NOT TO RANDOM EXPERIENCES TO FIND GOD'S REVEALED TRUTHS.

That would be the old testament.

 

[resurrection33]

Dearest Lord Father Almighty please bring peace to this forum and let us reason together as we discus Your Word. Help us get closer together as we talk to one another about the Good News of Your love. For this I pray, Amen.

Please do not copy/paste a whole website, if that is what you would like post a link.


Hello all, I do not understand how we are to believe in scripture only if the bible never says that. The bible says clearly to listen to the Word of God. Some people have explained to me that the bible is inspired by God thus making it his word.

This reasoning opened me more questions than answers. God never said behold I will send you a book. God sent His Son, and Jesus never wrote a book. Christians began to divide by multitudes once the bible made it to the printing press. And if that was not all, every person that reads the bible has a different take on the scripture. I am sure God wants us to love one another not fight one another.

Other questions raised are how did people get saved in the past if the bible was not around until close to the 400AC, and it was not mass produced until recent in history. That would make for a great multitude of people who did not read the bible, and still today many people can not read. How are they to be saved?

We should walk with the Lord and listen to what he teaches us. It shouldn't conflict with what Jesus teaches us in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

 

[jkalyna]

JESUS READ FROM THE BOOK OF ISAIAH IN THE TEMPLE. THE HOLY SPIRIT SPEAKS TO US THROUGH SCRIPTURES. IF WE READ THEM THEY ARE IN OUR SPIRIT, AND WHEN NEEDED, THE HOLY SPIRIT BRINGS IT BACK TO OUR MEMORY, IN A TIME TO COMFORT, ENCOURAGE, AND TO USE AS THE SWORD. IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE WORD OF THE LORD. ALTHOUGH THE DEVIL KNOWS IT ALSO, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT HE DOES NOT ACT UPON IT. HE WILL NEVER FORGIVE AS JESUS TAUGHT US TO FORGIVE ONE ANOTHER, AND MANY OTHER TEACHINGS. "THY WORD HAVE I HID IN MY HEART, IT'S THE WEAPON ,WE CARRY CONCELED, ARMED AND DANGEROUS AGAINST THE KINGDOM OF EVIL. POINT BLANK TRUTH SAID.

 

[Geometar]

Sola Scriptura never was a practice of early Church.Sacred Tradition and Bible,that is the answer.

 

[crossnote]

Sola Scriptura never was a practice of early Church.Sacred Tradition and Bible,that is the answer.

And the veneration of Icons was never taught or practiced by the Apostles.
Even Jesus said...
Jn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Jn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

 

[loveme1]

Sola Scriptura never was a practice of early Church.Sacred Tradition and Bible,that is the answer.

What church do you speak of?

 

[Rock022]

Some disagreement on my part is due to different interpretation from yours. I do not want to be rude, I am just going straight to the point.

John 14: 23 If a man love me, he will keep my words... It references about what he spoke.

John 15:20 Here again He says: what I SAY to you

Acts 11:26 Why did you compare articles written in Antioch if they are not scripture, because I can bring plenty out of bible resources?

2 Timothy 3:14 Refers to the OT. That even a child can understand the light Jesus brought to the OT scripture

Acts 1:16 They where referring to the OT scriptures

Acts 15:22 Here they seem to be establishing some church authority: Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas...

Acts 15:30 Here I see more establishing church authority, they confirmed them: 32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them. 33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles.

Colossians 4:16 Yes they wrote letters, that is no divine revelation. We all know they wrote some things or we would not have a NT

1 Thessalonians 5 Yes more letters to be read, not a mention if sola scripture.

I can continue line by line, but then again I believe I made my opinion already heard.

In closing: Do you not believe God is more powerful than men, and he can guide his church? (What ever church you want to insert here)
God is light, when you look at the sun you either see darkness after or go blind. Think of this as you try to understand God, is the darkness there because it is too bright for us and we go blind?

Let not your hearts be troubled, after all we are all seeking God.