Seeing God, face to face.

[ELECT]

We will only see God face in the new City when we are changed

Psalm 17:15King James Version (KJV)


15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness

Job 19:25-27King James Version (KJV)


25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:


26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:


27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

 

[Bowman]

Most readers of the Bible, have stumbled across the following verses, and they stick in their memory:
John 1:18. No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
1John 4:12. No man has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us.
and 3 John 1:11. Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that does good is of God: but he that does evil has not seen God.

John appears to change his mind as time goes on, He goes from saying no man has seen God to saying that no man who does evil has seen God, implying that all of the good people have seen God, or will see God. that point is unclear, because translators continually took verses written in the future tense, and translated them into the past tense, and this is what has happened here in 3 John 1:11.

Now about seeing God face to face:
Genesis 32:30. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Exodus 33:11. And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaks unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Note here that Joshua would have seen Moses talking face to face with God. this would have been a first experience for Joshua that would prepare him to take Moses place.

Numbers 14: 14. And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that you Lord are among this people, that you Lord are seen face to face, and that your cloud stands over them, and that you go before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night.
Deuteronomy 5:4. The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deuteronomy 34: 10. And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
Judges 6:22. And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the Lord, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord God! for because I have seen an angel of the Lord face to face.
Judges 13:22. And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
Ezekiel 20:35. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
1 Corinthians 13: 12. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Please Note, that this is a promise that all who follow Jesus will see God face to face! Since God is working with each individual soul on a one on one basis, Everyone is not going to see Him at the same time, many Christians pick up that false theology because of the dominant teaching of the Rapture, but the scripture says all will see Him, but "at the same time" is not specified, it is a false assumption by those who attempt to short circuit God's work and scare people into the fold. All will come, when God has prepared them, and not before, they will not make that decision until God has brought them to that crossroad. All the prophets of God saw God face to face, were filled with the Holy Spirit, and were in contact with him 24 hours a day, through the Holy Spirit. No one who has not been through the process, can ever understand, and most, because it has not happened to them, will accept, that almost every day, God chooses someone to reveal Himself to, because God has Justified them to the point where God can trust them, and 99% of them will not mention it, because the non-believers can be rough on anyone who claims to have had a spiritual experience that they have not yet arrived at. Most Christians, believe that this refers to what happens after death, not realizing that it doesn't normally happen that way, it happens shortly before death, which is why Jacob wondered why he was still alive and Manoah thought they would die. I remember an old man who came to visit my grandmother, he was in his 90s and she in her 80s. Things were said, that i remembered after seeing God, that caused me to know that he was at that time dealing with seeing God face to face. My mom is 92, My dad is almost 92, and I haven't seen any signs that they have had that experience yet, but I am sure they will. I was allowed to see God at the age of 52, because God had work for me to do, and this is part of it.

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

No one has seen God The Father face to face, and lived to tell about it.

Obviously, thousands have seen God The Son and lived to tell about it.

 

[Zmouth]

You are not fooling anyone. You are just another crack pot with a self-proclaimed hidden revelation. We see people like you on this site all the time, each with a different "revelation," none of which agree with scripture.

Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. Mark 9:23

And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deut 32:20


So without first believing, nothing is true. That is not all things are true, but unless you have a principle upon which you give account as to why you called him a liar, then I must conclude that you are saying that I am a liar too since I said I have seen the Father.

Yet, none did. John 12:44 And Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me
The Holy Ghost, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, begotten of the Eternal, yet Immortal because in the beginning the Father gave the Son to have life in himself ... well no sense of sharing my testimony to those who believe not.

But Adam marrying a man, I guess you got me on that one too, since the female married a male, see Genesis 5:2 [ GENESIS 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. ]

 

[Sec]

Elect - thank you for the scripture: Psalm 17:15. As for me, I will behold your face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with your likeness.

What a wonderful verse, the second coming of Jesus is a personal, one on one experience. after we make it through Justification, and reach sanctification. One morning we're going to wake up, go to the bathroom, wash our face, and as we dry our face, we will realize that Jesus is looking back at us, from our own mirror. I've been saying and writing that for almost 10 years. that scripture works perfectly, falls right into place.
Justification is found in verse 3. You have proved my heart; you have visited me in the night; you have tried me, and shall find nothing; I am purposed that my mouth shall not transgress.
we reach that "not transgress" part, when we reach sanctification.
Thank you, god had not brought that scripture to my attention, until He used you tonight to do it.

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

 

[Sec]

Elect - You asked, "Are you greater than Moses ? Did Moses see God face ?"

No it doesn't work that way, most of us tend to think in human terms where one person is considered to be "better" than another. When folks reach the point where they see God face to face, at that time, all are equal, and in the Kingdom, that is the way it is, all are equal.

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

 

[Sec]

Hi, you have to remember that a lot of the bible has been corrupted so there is text missing from many of the books and lots of paraphrasing even in the KJV, the bible isn't actually complete, there is supposedly more books from it in the New Testament that are missing. This is a secret I have recently discovered. There are YouTube clips on the missing books, please make your own decision on this topic.

Well sophie, I've read most of those books, in another book called "the Other Bible" as well as some books that I hunted down on the internet, they were free and easier to access 10 years ago than they are now, because people have figured out how to charge for access, and some colleges have closed their libraries to those who aren't students. I also have a copy of the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha which has a lot of interesting books in it from the O.T. era, but the books in the Bible are the books that God wanted in it. there are a lot of errors in them because of scribes who copied the early scrolls, there are errors, that were placed there on purpose by Ambrose, Augustine, and Jerome because they did not believe the theology that was handed down by Jesus to Origen. God, of course, knew about every one, and allowed it to continue, because He wanted to test the hearts of those who read it and believed in it, all things happen for good knowing that he could raise up someone to correct the errors when it became necessary, and that He could influence the souls of those He would need to correct the false theology and throw out the false theologians. I have found nothing from N.T. times that was of any use in setting things straight, but lots that were just garbage. The O.T. was different several books were essential in clearing up several things, although some of the books in the O.T. pseudepigrapha were from N.T. times, but attributed to O.T. personalities. I haven't read them in many years and they tend to blend together with age, but Ezra 2,3,&4, along with Baruch 2,3,& 4, were the most notable, and that may be because one thing in one of the three books helped me determine something about Jesus or Jeremiah. Baruch was the scribe of Jeremiah.

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

 

[Sec]

[SUP]This is from Luke Chapter 18 in the King James version.

18[/SUP] And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[SUP]19[/SUP] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

I think the passage:

3 John 1:11. Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that does good is of God: but he that does evil has not seen God.

is concerning the same thing as above. If no man is good. No man does good, except Jesus. If he is fully God and fully man, he would be the only one who has seen God. I think this is reasonable. What do you think?

First off this "fully god and fully man thing is a creation of arguments by thousands of theologians who were on one side of Jesus being God, or on the side of Jesus being man over hundreds of years, all of them, when it came to God and Jesus were as dense as concrete, but they had an opinion, and they were willing to burn at the stake, anyone who disagreed with them, and they did for hundreds of years, neither side knew what they were talking about, but they were always willing to kill anyone who disagreed with them, if they couldn't torture them into agreeing with their point of view.
Jesus was fully man when He walked this earth, just as we are, which is what Jesus meant with His "Why do you call me good/" statement. He was taking a stand against being called God, because he wasn't ready to be killed yet. you see there is a commandment from Moses, that most people don't know about. Deuteronomy 13: 1. If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and
2. And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3. Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
5. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God,

this is the reason most studied Jeues did not accept Jesus as the messiah, they knew the law. It is also the reason the Jeues had to kill Him, Moses had told them to kill Him, 1,400 years before He was born. They had no choice, at jesus' trial when Jesus said, 'thou has said," He was saying yes, he was the son of god, that fulfilled the requirements for Him to be justlly killed, and he was. But Jesus did not want this to happen until it was time, so when He healed people He would tell them "tell no one." So Nw2U you are wandering around in a field you don't own, trying to find a clue to something you don't understand, and claiming a position with no solid ground to stand on.

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

 

[Sec]

Post human :"no man has seen the face of God at any time. that is still true. "

Read the following scripture:Genesis 32:30. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Exodus 33:11. And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaks unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Note here that Joshua would have seen Moses talking face to face with God. this would have been a first experience for Joshua that would prepare him to take Moses place.

Numbers 14: 14. And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that you Lord are among this people, that you Lord are seen face to face, and that your cloud stands over them, and that you go before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night.
Deuteronomy 5:4. The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deuteronomy 34: 10. And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
Judges 6:22. And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the Lord, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord God! for because I have seen an angel of the Lord face to face.
Judges 13:22. And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
Ezekiel 20:35. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
1 Corinthians 13: 12. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


Now will you please retract your false statement and apologize?

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

 

[Bowman]

Post human :"no man has seen the face of God at any time. that is still true. "

Read the following scripture:Genesis 32:30. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Exodus 33:11. And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaks unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Note here that Joshua would have seen Moses talking face to face with God. this would have been a first experience for Joshua that would prepare him to take Moses place.

Numbers 14: 14. And they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land: for they have heard that you Lord are among this people, that you Lord are seen face to face, and that your cloud stands over them, and that you go before them, by day time in a pillar of a cloud, and in a pillar of fire by night.
Deuteronomy 5:4. The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
Deuteronomy 34: 10. And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,
Judges 6:22. And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the Lord, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord God! for because I have seen an angel of the Lord face to face.
Judges 13:22. And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
Ezekiel 20:35. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
1 Corinthians 13: 12. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


Now will you please retract your false statement and apologize?

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

Those are examples of seeing God The Son, face to face...not God The Father - which no one can see and physically live.

 

[Sec]

Those are examples of seeing God The Son, face to face...not God The Father - which no one can see and physically live.

Bowman, your lack of understanding is exceeded only by your propensity not to abandon it !

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

 

[Bowman]

Bowman, your lack of understanding is exceeded only by your propensity not to abandon it !

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

I understand more than you.

 

[Sec]

I understand more than you.

You do a miserable job of explaining it

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

 

[Bowman]

You do a miserable job of explaining it

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Gary Sechler
With knowledge on loan from God

What part do you require a further explanation...?

 

[JesusLives]

I feel a song coming on.

Face to face with Christ, my Savior,
Face to face—what will it be,
When with rapture I behold Him,
Jesus Christ who died for me?

Refrain:
Face to face I shall behold Him,
Far beyond the starry sky;
Face to face in all His glory,
I shall see Him by and by!

Only faintly now I see Him,
With the darkened veil between,
But a blessed day is coming,
When His glory shall be seen.

What rejoicing in His presence,
When are banished grief and pain;
Death is swallowed up in vict’ry,
And the dark things shall be plain.

Face to face—oh, blissful moment!
Face to face—to see and know;
Face to face with my Redeemer,
Jesus Christ who loves me so.

 

[tourist]

I feel a song coming on.

Face to face with Christ, my Savior,
Face to face—what will it be,
When with rapture I behold Him,
Jesus Christ who died for me?

Refrain:
Face to face I shall behold Him,
Far beyond the starry sky;
Face to face in all His glory,
I shall see Him by and by!

Only faintly now I see Him,
With the darkened veil between,
But a blessed day is coming,
When His glory shall be seen.

What rejoicing in His presence,
When are banished grief and pain;
Death is swallowed up in vict’ry,
And the dark things shall be plain.

Face to face—oh, blissful moment!
Face to face—to see and know;
Face to face with my Redeemer,
Jesus Christ who loves me so.

...and that song was sang from your heart.

 

[JesusLives]

...and that song was sang from your heart.

How did you see my tears through the internet?

 

[tourist]

How did you see my tears through the internet?

I did not see them, I felt them in my heart.

 

[hishealingred]

"9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." John 14:9-18

 

[Kerry]

Jesus said "if you have seen me then you have seen the Father" what else is needed?

 

[JesusLives]

Jesus said "if you have seen me then you have seen the Father" what else is needed?

I'll take a hug when that face to face happens and whisper a Big Thank You Father in His ear.