Seeking info and help from a pre rapture believer

[Blain]

No this is not intended to be a debate thread I am seeking info and help from a pre rapture believer. I honestly have no quarrels about the pre mid and post rapture beliefs and I do not care to go into that debate. See I believe in the pre trib rapture but I will not debate about it. However because of how I was lead astray by so many false teachers and so called prophets I have literally lost all hope of the rapture happening anytime soon. God has given me countless rapture dreams and other experiences that I would rather not speak of in public due the harrasment I would receive.

Basically I want to talk to someone who can understand what I am going through and I need to know why I should believe that the rapture is actually close. More than anything I want to believe I have prayed about it lots of times I simply cannot though. I long to be with Jesus so badly I also have many scars and bruises from the harshness of life Also tbh there isn't anything for me here but most of all I miss him so very badly. If i could wake up every day and treat is as if it's my last because Jesus might take me home soon I would have a peace inside me I have never known.

I know there are rapture forums but my family here in cc who knows my heart who knows how I think would be much more understanding.

 

[ArtsieSteph]

My Pastor actually did a whole series on the rapture, the Biblical implications, ect.

 

[Blain]

My Pastor actually did a whole series on the rapture, the Biblical implications, ect.

ty steph i appreciate it however I stay far away from ppl on youtube and I need to be able to talk to someone here who is informative and can explain it to me. Actually via pm would be best

 

[flob]

Maybe i'm not the good one to try to help, since I realize there is both the pre-tribulation resurrection and rapture,
of the overcomers; as well as also the end-tribulation resurrection and rapture of the saints (the majority, who were left
behind); as well as, evidently, various ones caught up as 'gleanings' or in much smaller numbers throughout the last
3 1/2 years, which comprise the Great Tribulation of Caesar Nero's (Antichrist's) reign...

You're right that Jesus our Savior, in Luke 21:36 I think it is, commands us to beseech Him (continually) that
we may prevail (overcome) to escape all these Great Tribulation things and stand before the Son of Man (in the heavens
on Mount Zion as His firstfruits, etc, to God and to the Lamb, Rv 14:1-5, Rv 3:5-10). So that is a wonderful, faithful practice which
I don't hear of many Christians practicing.

My help will be to try to tell you that the preparation, the qualification, for being taken by Christ, whether resurrected and
taken, or taken alive (and transfigured!) by Jesus your Lover pre-tribulation is.............to know and be filled with Him
here and now. Since He is..............the same Person. As the "oil" not only in our lamp, our spirit, but in our vessel, our soul,
as in the 5 wise believers, virgins, in Matthew 25. The other qualification to overcome, to be part of the "extra-resurrection" and first rapture, in Mt 24 is, as a servant, to increase Christ. To gain interest. By depositing Him with the other saints. In us.
And also in nonbeliever. To, by the Spirit, by the Word, give faith to them In our Savior. Making them faith-ers, believers, virgins, also! Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. As it's written, How beautiful are the feet of those who announce news of good things!

 

[popeye]

The rapture is the gathering of the bride

Jesus 1st miracle was with his disciples that were INVITED TO A WEDDING.

1st=last is spiritual law

1st order was at a wedding=last order at a wedding.

The communion cup at the last supper transposes precisely onto the groom going to the bridess house at a Jewish wedding.
The groom and bridee sit at a table aand a cup of wine is shared (covenant). If she refuses the cup,she is refusing his offer. By drinking,she accepts. (adds a new dimension to "do this in rememberance of me")

Looking hard at the first miracle, "on the third day there was a marriage".........we are in the third day,think about it.

 

[Blain]

The rapture is the gathering of the bride

Jesus 1st miracle was with his disciples that were INVITED TO A WEDDING.

1st=last is spiritual law

1st order was at a wedding=last order at a wedding.

The communion cup at the last supper transposes precisely onto the groom going to the bridess house at a Jewish wedding.
The groom and bridee sit at a table aand a cup of wine is shared (covenant). If she refuses the cup,she is refusing his offer. By drinking,she accepts. (adds a new dimension to "do this in rememberance of me")

Looking hard at the first miracle, "on the third day there was a marriage".........we are in the third day,think about it.

How are we in the third day? Also about bride and wedding thing about a year ago I had a strange but beautiful experience. I don't recall how it began but out of nowhere I suddenly felt like a bride preparing for a wedding, even though I am a boy for two whole days the feeling and sense of being a bride preparing for a wedding was overwhelming. Yet still here I am with this issue. I usually don't even think about the rapture because when I do my soul becomes exhausted but lately I can't seem to get it out of my mind

 

[SolidGround]

Death is imminent. Keep that in mind.
No one has tomorrow assured. If you understand that imminence, there is no need for any other imminence.
If you are believing and living in such a way as recognising Today as your potential Last, then whether by rapture or resurrection, you will not be left behind.

Our hope is in the Resurrection, not in the rapture. The rapture is merely one possible means to enter the Resurrection.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

No this is not intended to be a debate thread I am seeking info and help from a pre rapture believer. I honestly have no quarrels about the pre mid and post rapture beliefs and I do not care to go into that debate. See I believe in the pre trib rapture but I will not debate about it. However because of how I was lead astray by so many false teachers and so called prophets I have literally lost all hope of the rapture happening anytime soon. God has given me countless rapture dreams and other experiences that I would rather not speak of in public due the harrasment I would receive.

Basically I want to talk to someone who can understand what I am going through and I need to know why I should believe that the rapture is actually close. More than anything I want to believe I have prayed about it lots of times I simply cannot though. I long to be with Jesus so badly I also have many scars and bruises from the harshness of life Also tbh there isn't anything for me here but most of all I miss him so very badly. If i could wake up every day and treat is as if it's my last because Jesus might take me home soon I would have a peace inside me I have never known.

I know there are rapture forums but my family here in cc who knows my heart who knows how I think would be much more understanding.

You can send me a message Blain if you want to be edified in the Bible Doctrine of the Pre-Time of Jacob's trouble Rapture (Catching away) of the Body Of Christ.

 

[popeye]

How are we in the third day? Also about bride and wedding thing about a year ago I had a strange but beautiful experience. I don't recall how it began but out of nowhere I suddenly felt like a bride preparing for a wedding, even though I am a boy for two whole days the feeling and sense of being a bride preparing for a wedding was overwhelming. Yet still here I am with this issue. I usually don't even think about the rapture because when I do my soul becomes exhausted but lately I can't seem to get it out of my mind

ad 1 to ad 1000 = 1 day
1000 to 2000=day 2
at 2000 ad we entered the 3rd day

 

[popeye]

How are we in the third day? Also about bride and wedding thing about a year ago I had a strange but beautiful experience. I don't recall how it began but out of nowhere I suddenly felt like a bride preparing for a wedding, even though I am a boy for two whole days the feeling and sense of being a bride preparing for a wedding was overwhelming. Yet still here I am with this issue. I usually don't even think about the rapture because when I do my soul becomes exhausted but lately I can't seem to get it out of my mind

A berean is a bloodhound to the scriptures. They dig and hunt.

Let that same spirit carry you into the adventureland of the word. His word is like medicine and his word WILL settle you down.
never attempt a diet of one thing. One thing makes you sick.
Put some psalm,epistles,bible stories(samuel 1&2) etc on your plate.

 

[crossnote]

"Basically I want to talk to someone who can understand what I am going through and I need to know why I should believe that the rapture is actually close."

I do believe in a pre Trib rapture but I would never say the rapture is actually close.
It is imminent but that means it could happen any time before any other biblical event...today or over 100 years from now. We don't know when.

 

[atwhatcost]

No this is not intended to be a debate thread I am seeking info and help from a pre rapture believer. I honestly have no quarrels about the pre mid and post rapture beliefs and I do not care to go into that debate. See I believe in the pre trib rapture but I will not debate about it. However because of how I was lead astray by so many false teachers and so called prophets I have literally lost all hope of the rapture happening anytime soon. God has given me countless rapture dreams and other experiences that I would rather not speak of in public due the harrasment I would receive.

Basically I want to talk to someone who can understand what I am going through and I need to know why I should believe that the rapture is actually close. More than anything I want to believe I have prayed about it lots of times I simply cannot though. I long to be with Jesus so badly I also have many scars and bruises from the harshness of life Also tbh there isn't anything for me here but most of all I miss him so very badly. If i could wake up every day and treat is as if it's my last because Jesus might take me home soon I would have a peace inside me I have never known.

I know there are rapture forums but my family here in cc who knows my heart who knows how I think would be much more understanding.

I know you are fairly young in Christ. That's not a judgement. I say that so you know I'm asking you the following question with at least that much knowledge about you, so I have no problems if the answer is No.

Here's the question: Have you yet learned something about God, that turned you on your ear for what you thought you knew, but then found out it wasn't like that at all?

I've had that happen to me so many times, I'm actually somewhere between used to it, and still utterly surprised that can still happen to me. My latest that-moment was when I learned the golden calf the Israelites made at the bottom of the mountain while Moses was up on the mountain wasn't like the movie The Ten Commandments at all. They were trying to do the same thing we still want to do -- make some kind of image of God -- the God, the one Moses was talking to while they waited -- so they could worship him too. I mean I was really used to the movie version of that, so it was cool I learned the reality, because it makes more sense to me now.

And the reason I bring this up is in relationship to your question. I'm thinking you're asking a wrong question. Again, I don't want to sound condescending, and I'm very sorry if I do sound like that, but I want you to take a look at something different, because of what I learned about the rapture back when I went to a church that taught it. And what's the wrong question? Well it sounds like you want to fortify your belief rather than learn what God wants to give you. That leaves no room to learn about who God really is, but makes you stuck forever believing something that may or may not be true about God.

So, I want to recommend a book for you to read about Revelation. It's called More Than Conquerors by William Hendriksen. Here's a copy of the blurb about it in Google Book to see why it's a good read. "[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A classic interpretation of Revelation. Solid scholarship and simplicity are combined, making this commentary useful to laypersons, pastors, and teachers."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If it's a classic, at least you know it's not out to get you on board with any particular agenda. It's out to teach you Revelation -- the book. It did turn me on my ear back when I was a pre-triber, pre-mil believer. Now I don't believe in any of the traditional choices it seems Church wants to argue.

So, why not read a classic study on Revelation and see if it makes sense with you?

My fear, if you don't, is that you'll be something like an Amway salesmen -- always needing some rah-rah speech to get you motivated to sell the product. So much easier to realize who God really is over learning what's trending in churches this year.[/FONT]

 

[Violet24]

This is just where I rest my hope in the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but I personally feel we are getting close


The Day and Hour Unknown
36“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[SUP]f[/SUP] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
45“Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.

 

[sltaylor]

Well, first off I would start with a a study into the meaning of the original greek word for distress, particularly where Jesus speaks about the great distress on nations when the son of man comes.

Not going to say anything other than that. Just Google it, greek word for distress, and get context into scripture.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

No this is not intended to be a debate thread I am seeking info and help from a pre rapture believer. I honestly have no quarrels about the pre mid and post rapture beliefs and I do not care to go into that debate. See I believe in the pre trib rapture but I will not debate about it. However because of how I was lead astray by so many false teachers and so called prophets I have literally lost all hope of the rapture happening anytime soon. God has given me countless rapture dreams and other experiences that I would rather not speak of in public due the harrasment I would receive.

Basically I want to talk to someone who can understand what I am going through and I need to know why I should believe that the rapture is actually close. More than anything I want to believe I have prayed about it lots of times I simply cannot though. I long to be with Jesus so badly I also have many scars and bruises from the harshness of life Also tbh there isn't anything for me here but most of all I miss him so very badly. If i could wake up every day and treat is as if it's my last because Jesus might take me home soon I would have a peace inside me I have never known.

I know there are rapture forums but my family here in cc who knows my heart who knows how I think would be much more understanding.

I also believe in a pretrib rapture . . . we should wake up every day and treat it as if it is our last . . . we do not know exactly when He will come gather us nor do we know our hour of death (if that should happen first) - we should always be "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." [Titus 2:13]

 

[PlainWord]

Regardless of one's view on the timing, one should never look forward to the Rapture as a way of escaping uncomfortable things in life. One should take those matters before the Lord in prayer. Receive the strength you need from the HS to help you in today's walk. Prayer is the most powerful weapon we Christians have in dealing with life's problems. Give your troubles to the Lord. Ask Him to help you Blain.

I went through an incredible period of trials myself recently. I could not see any possible solution to the difficulties I was facing. Then God worked several miracles that in my wildest dream I could not ever have imagined. I have not been completely restored but overall I am in a much better place than I was and my faith has grown in leaps and bounds over the experience.

I don't wish to share the details in an open forum but if you want, I'd be happy to share with you via email. In the meantime, I will pray for you Brother Blain that you will find the faith and comfort you need to give those things bothering you over to the Lord and let Him handle them. That's what I did and again, I could not have solved my problems even close as well as He did. God Bless!!

 

[Blain]

Everyone ty for your help and advice and i want to apologize in advance because when I made this thread i was seeking answers but as i went to bed when my internet went down I realized that I was looking to the wrong place for my answers. I realized that the only one who I trust the only one who I know I will actually believe and the only one who even has the answers even if it's not what I want is God himself. He is my teacher after all, I listen to wise Christians and pastors I read the bible and such but I always go directly to him before I consider what i believe or think about something. And honestly at this point I have no idea what to think or believe about this so last night i went straight to him I asked him what i should think what should I believe about this. Should I really believe that the rapture could happen any second and have that hope or should i ignore the rapture thing right now because it simply isn't time.

I waited and listened for an answer any kind of answer no matter how he chose to speak to me but I received no answer at all so if I cannot go to him for the answer i seek i won't find it anywhere else. I know how to listen to him he doesn't speak with his voice out loud often but he speaks to my heart a lot my heart knows his voice but my heart never received an answer. I really feel bad making a thread asking for help only to say oops sorry I can only believe what God says I just hope everyone understands my hearts intentions

 

[Blain]

Regardless of one's view on the timing, one should never look forward to the Rapture as a way of escaping uncomfortable things in life. One should take those matters before the Lord in prayer. Receive the strength you need from the HS to help you in today's walk. Prayer is the most powerful weapon we Christians have in dealing with life's problems. Give your troubles to the Lord. Ask Him to help you Blain.

I went through an incredible period of trials myself recently. I could not see any possible solution to the difficulties I was facing. Then God worked several miracles that in my wildest dream I could not ever have imagined. I have not been completely restored but overall I am in a much better place than I was and my faith has grown in leaps and bounds over the experience.

I don't wish to share the details in an open forum but if you want, I'd be happy to share with you via email. In the meantime, I will pray for you Brother Blain that you will find the faith and comfort you need to give those things bothering you over to the Lord and let Him handle them. That's what I did and again, I could not have solved my problems even close as well as He did. God Bless!!

sure I do get weary and tired a lot but that isn't the main reason i want to go home. I want to go home so badly because I want him I want him so badly I constantly long and crave to be with him for him to finally be mine and me to finally be his. I am so deeply in love with him that sometimes I can't stand it anything less than being in his arms and holding him and letting our hearts pour our deep intimate feelings into each other is just simply unbearable

 

[crossnote]

but as i went to bed when my internet went down I realized that I was looking to the wrong place for my answers. I realized that the only one who I trust the only one who I know I will actually believe and the only one who even has the answers even if it's not what I want is God himself.

Now that says a mouthful.

 

[Blain]

Now that says a mouthful.

what does that mean?