Seeking Proof Against Evangelical Bigotry and Finding It!
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You know...there is a difference between 'bigotry', and believing God means what he says.
All sin separates us from Him--He is Holy.
But the Father has made a Way for us to come to Him,
and be cleaned, and given a new heart
that desires what He desires.
It doesn't matter to the Lord if our sin is stealing, or sexual in nature, or being deceitful.
Any of it is enough to cause that rift.
We all are guilty,
but some of us have received grace from God, and been given faith to believe Jesus,
and that faith is counted as the righteousness of Christ!
And we have received love from Him.
With that love, we love others.
It isn't unloving to show another where they are wrong
(in God's eyes---the only ones that count)
and how to have that made right in Christ.
All sin separates us from Him--He is Holy.
But the Father has made a Way for us to come to Him,
and be cleaned, and given a new heart
that desires what He desires.
It doesn't matter to the Lord if our sin is stealing, or sexual in nature, or being deceitful.
Any of it is enough to cause that rift.
We all are guilty,
but some of us have received grace from God, and been given faith to believe Jesus,
and that faith is counted as the righteousness of Christ!
And we have received love from Him.
With that love, we love others.
It isn't unloving to show another where they are wrong
(in God's eyes---the only ones that count)
and how to have that made right in Christ.
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Is it sinful to make it a hobby in life to teach others that homosexuality is not a sin in the Bible? It's one thing to be curious, certain, & study... but to dwell on insisting it is not a sin & teach other's it's not? We all sin & we all try to help each other in a POSITVE way.
REV.20: " ... TO TEACH AND TO SEDUCE MY SERVANTS TO COMMIT FORNICATION,..." 21- " AND I GAVE HER SPACE TO REPENT FOR HER FORNICATION, AND SHE REPENTED NOT."
sorry, i agree to disagrre, i hope you find some peace with this matter, but it is clear to so many christians that this is also a sin=homosexuality. that doesnt mean we dislike them.
REV.20: " ... TO TEACH AND TO SEDUCE MY SERVANTS TO COMMIT FORNICATION,..." 21- " AND I GAVE HER SPACE TO REPENT FOR HER FORNICATION, AND SHE REPENTED NOT."
sorry, i agree to disagrre, i hope you find some peace with this matter, but it is clear to so many christians that this is also a sin=homosexuality. that doesnt mean we dislike them.
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Living a gay lifestyle is a CHOICE by the one making it.
Being genetically predisposed to being gay, while true for many, still does not justify the CHOICE to act upon that predisposition.
Too many gays and liberals try to take the willfull CHOICE out of the equation - blaming it entirely upon their genetics...which is completely bogus.
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people are genetically predisposed to be drunkards but most people don't encourage them to indulge in the bottle because of it.
most of the time those people who know that their family history of drunkards avoid drinking any alcohol at all because they know their weakness.
if you seek dirt you will find it. if you seek excuses then you will find or make up those as well.
most of the time those people who know that their family history of drunkards avoid drinking any alcohol at all because they know their weakness.
if you seek dirt you will find it. if you seek excuses then you will find or make up those as well.
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Paul addressing the Roman Christians points to the acceptance of homosexuality as the sign that a society is in terminal decay...this is why Paul singles homosexual relations out over other sins....not because adultery,theft or murder or my lack of patience and kindness are any less sins from the individual perspective....all have sinned and all are guilty before God but Paul is making a point to Romans living in the heartland of that corrupt society. The west will and is coming under the same type of judgement as ancient Rome. The US empire willl fall as all empires fall because it is a tyranny promoting violence throughout the globe and the increasing acceptance of homosexuality signifies the certainty of this.
Gays and Liberals? I see where you're going with that. You're intimating that there are not any Gay Conservatives according to your point of view. Sorry, but you'd be very surprised! Yet genetics does play a very important role for ALL in this as you have just stated.
It is good when we can keep a conversation/discussion such as this CIVIL where one can present their own point of view without always being chastised or berated by those with an opposing viewpoint under the threat of hell, fire, and damnation. Let's agree to disagree if we must but to continue to keep it civil without the name calling and brow-beating and without having to resort to contacting the administrators or moderators to intervene.
It is good when we can keep a conversation/discussion such as this CIVIL where one can present their own point of view without always being chastised or berated by those with an opposing viewpoint under the threat of hell, fire, and damnation. Let's agree to disagree if we must but to continue to keep it civil without the name calling and brow-beating and without having to resort to contacting the administrators or moderators to intervene.
Abiding, so many More people are being swayed away from the LORD by those who continue to condemn a person for their sexual orientation. That is what is causing them and many others to turn away from the church and from religion in general as they feel there is no place for them without someone trying to change them or convert them to another lifestyle they were not predisposed to live and as we have learned 'Gay Conversion Therapy' does not work.
So, to those who would stand and judge another, attempting to take God's place and sway them from remaining a Christian by their harsh, unloving words of condemnation, they too will be held most accountable by God at their appointed time!
So, to those who would stand and judge another, attempting to take God's place and sway them from remaining a Christian by their harsh, unloving words of condemnation, they too will be held most accountable by God at their appointed time!
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But thats not my problem with this thread. This is
You can do two things:
1 Go militant on Christian bigotry and unloving actions, against homosexuals...or anyone for that matter.
2 Make Homosexuality acceptable behavior, say its natural, predisposed etc.
I think your doing#2 and your wrong, shame on you!!!!!
You need to understand one thing, *I* do not make homosexuality 'acceptable behavior' I do not have such power. And when using the terms 'natural', 'predisposed', etc. that is SCIENCE and MEDICINE speaking and I am echoing their comments since there are ways now to determine such things that would preclude the continuation of condemnation for those with a different sexual orientation. If we continue to hold on to beliefs back from Biblical times from people who had absolutely no grasp of modern science and medicine in the determination of what causes homosexuality we would also need to admonish so many other things and not just focus on one group of people whom only God knows why they were born with their different sexual orientation.
As to being 'wrong', the promotion of the belief that changing a person's sexual orientation is right as so many including you wish to do is what is wrong. We now know that doesn't work and has even caused great harm to so many. So if there's anything for those who promote this kind of thing to repent about and feel "shame" for it is those who continue to make life that much more difficult for people whose sexual orientations cannot be changed at the wish or whim of those who want for it to. It just doesn't work that way. So be careful whom you throw the 'shame' word at as there is certainly more than enough shame to go around the table for everyone.
As to being 'wrong', the promotion of the belief that changing a person's sexual orientation is right as so many including you wish to do is what is wrong. We now know that doesn't work and has even caused great harm to so many. So if there's anything for those who promote this kind of thing to repent about and feel "shame" for it is those who continue to make life that much more difficult for people whose sexual orientations cannot be changed at the wish or whim of those who want for it to. It just doesn't work that way. So be careful whom you throw the 'shame' word at as there is certainly more than enough shame to go around the table for everyone.
Every gay that I personally know, voted liberal this year for a reason....because they think that our President supports their lifestyle.
Genetics should not trump choice.
The Creator intended for us to be attracted to the opposite sex for reasons of fulfilling his purpose and populating the planet.
Homosexual unions do not serve the Creators purpose.
None of us got here by a homosexual union.
Genetics should not trump choice.
The Creator intended for us to be attracted to the opposite sex for reasons of fulfilling his purpose and populating the planet.
Homosexual unions do not serve the Creators purpose.
None of us got here by a homosexual union.
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I didnt say a word about why a homosexual is how he is. Not once.
And i didnt say shame on them. But to you. I dont want to condemn anyone.
And know a bit or two about this subject. But as far as science and such?
There are many differing opinions on that among the scientists. And different opinions among the
christians who once were homosexuals. And the bible isnt old people back
then but inspired by God...so its His opinion.
And i didnt say shame on them. But to you. I dont want to condemn anyone.
And know a bit or two about this subject. But as far as science and such?
There are many differing opinions on that among the scientists. And different opinions among the
christians who once were homosexuals. And the bible isnt old people back
then but inspired by God...so its His opinion.
The thing is, wether one is refuring to homosexuality, or any need of the flesh that separates us from God,
Jesus said, we are to deny our very self, flesh, and follow Him.
It is flesh, the world we are called to die to in Jesus, so we may be born of His Spirit and live in Him.
When one willingly recieves Jesus, this is seen and known.
For it is not about judgement, but the salvation we are called to.
For flesh cannot enter into eternal life, only Spirit.
Check the scriptures, for they speak to this.
Anything less, is death.
God bless
pickles
Jesus said, we are to deny our very self, flesh, and follow Him.
It is flesh, the world we are called to die to in Jesus, so we may be born of His Spirit and live in Him.
When one willingly recieves Jesus, this is seen and known.
For it is not about judgement, but the salvation we are called to.
For flesh cannot enter into eternal life, only Spirit.
Check the scriptures, for they speak to this.
Anything less, is death.
God bless
pickles