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mcubed · Sep 15, 2017

Great question. No not at all! I believe Y-shua came to fulfill the law of Moses down to every last iota, dot, pin, stroke. He did not renew any thing He fulfilled it!!!! And What we still wait on on the latter feast He will fulfill in His second coming? Do you believe the fall feast have been fulfilled?

loveme1 · Sep 15, 2017

mcubed said:

Please explain what you await so we can be clear?

mcubed · Sep 15, 2017

Thank you. First the feast of trumpets, Messiah will come back in the clouds for all to see with the sound of the shofar, second Yam Kippur, He will open the Books and who ever is forgiven because of the spring feast, that he has fulfilled, literally, and we humans accept Him as our Pass over, will be in the Book of Life and Sukkot. What is it, tabernacles... My tent ... AMEN!!!! in the wilderness will be transformed into my HEAVENLY BODY!!! If Y-shua, Messiah did this already then I am in hell. if It is yet to come Torah is ALIVE, NOT DEAD, and I will look good in my heavenly body because this one is a piece of dag meat.

OneFaith · Sep 15, 2017

joefizz said:

They are no longer God's people, read John chapter one. Jesus came to His own people, but they would not receive Him, so God switched to adoption (whosoever will). They have to get baptized into Christ just like everyone else in order to be God's people once again.

loveme1 · Sep 15, 2017

mcubed said:

When the mortal puts on immortal at the last trump?

When you say Torah is alive.. can you please specify what that means to you?

Thank you for your patience.

mcubed · Sep 15, 2017

loveme1 said:

Yes. Oh, Yes. See my G-d my Savior calls me to live Holy for He is Holy. According to Y-shua the heart is deceatfully wicked who can know it. Now many will argue they are lead by the Spirit. And yes, I am but I have a measuring rod the Torah that keeps me in balance with what G-d's standard of righteousness is. Because I have to crucify my flesh daily but left to my own interpretation of that trust me get into the gutter so fast. I love Y-shua I want to keep His commandments the best I can, Torah, Love the Lord with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself. I am soooo blessed that I know my Messiah.See He fulfilled, paid a blood debt I could never pay! Because of Him I am called a child, a friend of G-d. I am not so servent. I'm Daddies little girl. He is the here and the not yet. I still cry. The lamb does not lay down next to the lion, and I still have to teach my neighbor of G-d. Bring as many as I can into the Kingdom, the Jew first, then the non Jew( they are not less important that is my heart). See, there will be a day Messiah comes back all the nations will worship Him, the lion will lay down next to the lamb, then you can say Torh is dead because Messiah has brought every lesy pin stroke into fulfillness. Until then I must reach people and tell them about Messiah. It is a must, my hunger. People need Messiah- Y-shua-Jesus He is the only fulfilment of the atonement!!!!!!!!!! That is what it means to me!!

loveme1 · Sep 15, 2017

mcubed said:

Yes. Oh, Yes. See my G-d my Savior calls me to live Holy for He is Holy. According to Y-shua the heart is deceatfully wicked who can know it. Now many will argue they are lead by the Spirit. And yes, I am but I have a measuring rod the Torah that keeps me in balance with what G-d's standard of righteousness is. Because I have to crucify my flesh daily but left to my own interpretation of that trust me get into the gutter so fast. I love Y-shua I want to keep His commandments the best I can, Torah, Love the Lord with all your heart, mind and strength and your neighbor as yourself. I am soooo blessed that I know my Messiah.See He fulfilled, paid a blood debt I could never pay! Because of Him I am called a child, a friend of G-d. I am not so servent. I'm Daddies little girl. He is the here and the not yet. I still cry. The lamb does not lay down next to the lion, and I still have to teach my neighbor of G-d. Bring as many as I can into the Kingdom, the Jew first, then the non Jew( they are not less important that is my heart). See, there will be a day Messiah comes back all the nations will worship Him, the lion will lay down next to the lamb, then you can say Torh is dead because Messiah has brought every lesy pin stroke into fulfillness. Until then I must reach people and tell them about Messiah. It is a must, my hunger. People need Messiah- Y-shua-Jesus He is the only fulfilment of the atonement!!!!!!!!!! That is what it means to me!!

Thank you for sharing..

im happy to be the last one in for even then I'm not worthy but thank Heavenly Father and Yahshua our Lord that it is possible.

Did you become a Jew through Holy Spirit Baptism or were you raised with unbelievers then Believed?

mcubed · Sep 15, 2017

loveme1 said:

I became a Jew when I was born it is a race you know!?! Jew is a race. non-Jew will never be Jews. But you all are grafted in. as non- Jews. No less equila in Messiah. Just is what it is. Non of us are worthy Y-shua is so good! And G-'s grace is renewed every morning. Thank G-d or I would be in BIG trouble.

loveme1 · Sep 15, 2017

mcubed said:

How do you distinguish the Jews that say they are but are not? And what race is it? How can we know who the true Jew is?

mcubed · Sep 15, 2017

OneFaith said:

G-d has called us together as one as the church but He has never revoked to promises to Israel as a nation. The Jews leaders of that time did not accept Him so Scripture could be fulfilled or you would not be here. If G-d negated His promise for the nation of Israel why would He not change His mind about christians? You guys are right the equil in sin. This is just foolishness.

MattforJesus · Sep 15, 2017

Only by Jesus can we truly be God's people.

But God will turn the whole nation of Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah in the future,and Israel will become spiritual.

Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Jer 33:25 Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
Jer 33:26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.

The ordinances of heaven are still in effect,Israel is still God's chosen people,and He has not cast them off,but He is hiding His face from them,so they are not prospering like they should,but will turn the nation of Israel to the truth,after He gathered all the Jews out of the nations,and put them back in their land,and leave none of them in the nations anymore.

God is always with Israel,and salvation is of the Jews.

Israel is the Church,and there is always a remnant of Jews that abide by the truth,so He is not going to cast off all Israel,like He is not going to cast off all Gentiles because some do not accept the truth.

Nehemiah6 · Sep 15, 2017

joefizz said:

I'm sure you mean well, but Jesus already told the Jews that serving God begins with believing on the One whom He had sent -- Christ. So serving God in spiritual blindness cannot really be seen as serving God. That is from God's perspective. Those who do not honor the Son, do not honor the Father, even though they strive to follow the Torah and the Talmud.

loveme1 · Sep 15, 2017

mcubed said:

Mcubed, I am taking an opportunity to converse with a Believing Jewish person which is how i think you would consider yourself? Correct me..

What is the promise to the nation of Israel? Explain if you have time how you perceive so we may know how you perceive.

Do you keep the law of Moses as to live Holy?

if you wish not to share then worry not.. I understand.

Thank you kindly.

MarcR · Sep 15, 2017

loveme1 said:

loveme1,

I won't try to answer for mcubed; though I suspect his answer will be similar.

The promise to Israel is Hos Chapter 2, Zec chapters 12-14, Jer 32:31-34, Rom chapter 11

I do not keep the law of Moses. If I could keep the Law of Moses, I would not need Jesus to keep it for me.

I try to keep the appointed times of Lev chapter 23 not under law or fearing any consequence if I miss one or more.

I keep the appointed times because God says that he wants to meet with His people at these times and I am His person. I keep them as a matter of preference not as a matter of law.

To live holy, I try to love others and forgive others as Jesus loves and forgave me.

I'm sure I fall far short of that but I continue to try.

loveme1 · Sep 15, 2017

MarcR said:

Thank you MarcR.

Were you born a Jew as in flesh birth?

Can you please share what you believe regarding those verses? This is not an inquisition... merely a realisation that one must take the time to hear others to understand what they mean..

if if you have time..

do do you know how to distinguish the Fake Jews of the synagogue of Satan? Share whatever you have. We each are to worship GOD in Spirit and Truth and we all Know the High Priest is Yahshua Son of the Most High. And that under the Old law of works only the levites were to be Priests etc.. and now we have Our High Priest as part of the New Covenant of GOD.

OneFaith · Sep 15, 2017

mcubed said:

Just because we are now spiritual Israel instead of physical Israel, does not mean God didn't keep His promise. God kept His promise to Abraham- all nations are blessed, because through Him came Christ- in Whom is every nationality (Christian)- including Israelites and Jews who have been baptized into Christ- and have therefore been re-grafted back into their own vine that they were once kicked out of. We are grafted in, they are re-grafted in, and we are all one in Christ.

HOWEVER, it is true to say, that before they are baptized into Christ, that they are no longer God's people merely because of physicality. Read John one. We become children of God not by being born of natural decent, or a husband's will (not by physical means). Read Romans 11:11-31.

MarcR · Sep 15, 2017

loveme1 said:

Were you born a Jew as in flesh birth? Yes

Can you please share what you believe regarding those verses? This is not an inquisition... merely a realisation that one must take the time to hear others to understand what they mean..

Hos Chapter 2 Is a promise of restoration to Israel And Judah.

Zec Chapters 12-14 are :

1) a promise of the rebirth of Israel as a nation.

2) a promise of God's protection on the nation

3) a promise that the Jewish people as a nation will eventually come to the truth as reinforced in Rom Chapter 11.

4) an affirmation that while the appointed times are not required now they (or at least Tabernacles Sukkot) will be during Jesus' reign.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 is the New Covenant between God and Israel. Hebrews 8 tells us that the Church is included in this covenant by the adoption of Rom chapter 8.

unobtrusive · Sep 15, 2017

Locutus said:

If the original branches are all dead, what hope do we have? The same thing could happen to the Gentiles. Is not the original tree-trunk good enough?

"Boast not against the branches "

Romans 11:17-24
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

loveme1 · Sep 15, 2017

MarcR said:

So how does it play out for the unbelieving Jews? My belief is that through trying to establish what they believe is their birth right let's say.. the darkness will get darker and they will come to see that Yahshua is the Messiah King of Kings... but while in unbelief they will reap what they sow as will all.. So to speak...

The Promises of GOD are kept but the perception of them not always correct.. yet.. we Rest assured that GOD is Almighty and whatever comes to pass will be for Good of all. And in Christ there is neither Jew or Gentile but all One Bride.

Do you know how to recognise a fake Jew of the synagogue of Satan?

And I want to thank you once again for taking the time to chat with me.

joefizz · Sep 15, 2017

MarcR said:

loveme1,

I won't try to answer for mcubed; though I suspect his answer will be similar.

The promise to Israel is Hos Chapter 2, Zec chapters 12-14, Jer 32:31-34, Rom chapter 11

I do not keep the law of Moses. If I could keep the Law of Moses, I would not need Jesus to keep it for me.

I try to keep the appointed times of Lev chapter 23 not under law or fearing any consequence if I miss one or more.

I keep the appointed times because God says that he wants to meet with His people at these times and I am His person. I keep them as a matter of preference not as a matter of law.

To live holy, I try to love others and forgive others as Jesus loves and forgave me.

I'm sure I fall far short of that but I continue to try.

Well Mcubed might speak differently "She" does seem quite passionate in what "She" believes.

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