SEVEN MOUNTAINS REVISITED

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Revelation 17:9> And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Revelation 13
1> And i stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
3> And i saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death, and his deadly wound was healed, and all the world wondered after the beast.

Some say the seven mountains refer to Rome. If that were so, why is only one head wounded?
Shouldn't all seven heads be wounded if indeed it were Rome? This is an anomaly and contradicts the other six heads if indeed it were speaking of Rome. For all heads should then be wounded, for Rome is one not seven. One empire under one name..not seven empires but one...Rome.
We also see that one of the heads was wounded.
Can you wound a mountain and then heal it? As though a physical mountain could be wounded or die? Mountains are ROCK. Inanimate objects.
So mountains here must be meaning something else, something symbolic. Not something geographical, but something else all together...

Again, I offer that the seven heads refers to empires. The seven mountains.
Scripture holds the answer. Jeremiah holds the key.

Jeremiah 32:24> Behold the mounts, they are come unto the city to take it, and the city is given into the hand of the Chaldeans, that fight against it, because of the sword, and of the famine, and of the pestilence, and what thou hast spoken hast come to pass, and, behold, thou sees it.

Mounts are of course short for mountains.
Chaldeans are the Babylonians.
Here we see Babylon described as a mountain.
Is this not scriptural identification of the word mountain?
One key to understanding the seven heads of the beast?

Coincidence?







The answer is pretty simple when you use scripture to interpret itself Huh!! Mountains are always kingdoms or Governments.
 
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AnandaHya

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So If Abraham was the Father of the Jews
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Abraham is the father of Ishmael who is the seed the Muslims come from as well. If Abraham's FLESHLY and by BLOOD descendents were all blessed then why not include Muslims they claim to worship Abraham's God as well.

NO the CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD are not the nation Israel but the spiritual Children that have been BORN AGAIN through the blood of Christ.

IF they REJECT Jesus as Lord and Savior they will be casted into Hell.

Jews and Gentiles that BELIEVE in the JESUS as LORD and SAVIOR are God's chosen people NOT A nation or people who reject him and await a Messiah that has already came or accept a Prophet that elevates himself over Jesus Christ by adding to His Gospel message.

are these people who wanted to stone Jesus blessed and loved by God?

John 8:52-59 (New King James Version)

52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[a] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.


If you go before and read that Jesus told them they were children of Abraham and of the Devil though they have the BLOOD of Abraham running in their body but not the SPIRIT of Abraham in their minds, hearts and souls. therefore anyone who rejects Jesus as Lord and Savior has the spirit of the ANTICHRIST living in them. God gave all His children the power to cast those demons out in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.


John 8
37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with[l] your father.”
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
 
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Hello Scotth,
It is understandable to be cautious of interpretations given by men of which i am, concerning this book of revelations. I have no problem with you on this. But your avoidance of revelation goes against scripture. For we are instructed to search all things out in His name. Your advice goes against His command? Do you realize this?

Revelation 22:10> And He saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.

So this book of revelations is NOT sealed, which means that it is instead open. And if open, then we are to seek it out in spirit and truth. But you say it is sealed? Already you contradict Jesus and i ask you drop this false claim that revelations is sealed. I have pointed this out to you before?? Again...

Revelation 22:10> And He saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.

For:

Revelation 22:7> Behold, I come quickly, blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

How can one keep the prohecy of this unsealed (open) book of revelation if one avoids it and keeps it as a mystery as you claim? Consider what you say against what our Lord says. There is no profit in contradicting Jesus, only loss. If your church has taught you this thing, then you should reconsider your allegiance...Christ...or your church, who is contradicting His clear and simple message of reading this OPEN unsealed book of revelation. Burying our head in the sand is not Christs message, i am surprised you still have not searched this out as a ministering priest after i have shown you several times before that scripture!

Do not be afraid to question and seek, for this is what we are called to do.

Regards
Devolution.



Amen Brother! Some people are so blinded by the doctrines & traditions of their church they can't see the truth. Jesus even prophesied this would be so in the end times....
 
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Mountains are always kingdoms or Governments.
REALLY?

Genesis 8:4
Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat


Genesis 8:5
And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month. In the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains were seen

Isaiah 57:13
When you cry out, Let your collection of idols deliver you. But the wind will carry them all away, A breath will take them.But he who puts his trust in Me shall possess the land, And shall inherit My holy mountain.”


now if you are going to say something avoid the word "always" please. If you would like an example that tell you that Babylonian was described as a mountain use this Bible verse instead. just a suggestion.

Jeremiah 51:24-26 (New King James Version)

24 “ And I will repay Babylon
And all the inhabitants of Chaldea
For all the evil they have done
In Zion in your sight,” says the LORD.
25 “ Behold, I am against you, O destroying mountain,
Who destroys all the earth,” says the LORD.

“ And I will stretch out My hand against you,
Roll you down from the rocks,
And make you a burnt mountain.
26 They shall not take from you a stone for a corner
Nor a stone for a foundation,
But you shall be desolate forever,” says the LORD.
 

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Revelation 17:9> And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Revelation 13
1> And i stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
3> And i saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death, and his deadly wound was healed, and all the world wondered after the beast.

Some say the seven mountains refer to Rome. If that were so, why is only one head wounded?
Shouldn't all seven heads be wounded if indeed it were Rome? This is an anomaly and contradicts the other six heads if indeed it were speaking of Rome. For all heads should then be wounded, for Rome is one not seven. One empire under one name..not seven empires but one...Rome.
We also see that one of the heads was wounded.
Can you wound a mountain and then heal it? As though a physical mountain could be wounded or die? Mountains are ROCK. Inanimate objects.
So mountains here must be meaning something else, something symbolic. Not something geographical, but something else all together...

Again, I offer that the seven heads refers to empires. The seven mountains.
Scripture holds the answer. Jeremiah holds the key.

Jeremiah 32:24> Behold the mounts, they are come unto the city to take it, and the city is given into the hand of the Chaldeans, that fight against it, because of the sword, and of the famine, and of the pestilence, and what thou hast spoken hast come to pass, and, behold, thou sees it.

Mounts are of course short for mountains.
Chaldeans are the Babylonians.
Here we see Babylon described as a mountain.
Is this not scriptural identification of the word mountain?
One key to understanding the seven heads of the beast?

Coincidence?
Something that has caught my attention is the beast rising from the sea.
It this the false christ with the head wound?
If so, rather a coinsidencea bout who recieved a head wound, and was buried at sea.
Or is my lacking in understanding of revelations showing here.:)

God bless.
pickles
 
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The answer is pretty simple when you use scripture to interpret itself Huh!! Mountains are always kingdoms or Governments.
Yes !! Thanks Tigger2, Jeremiah is quite straight forward in what mountains stand for. Im pleased you see it too.

Regards
Devolution.
 
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Something that has caught my attention is the beast rising from the sea.
It this the false christ with the head wound?
If so, rather a coinsidencea bout who recieved a head wound, and was buried at sea.
Or is my lacking in understanding of revelations showing here.:)

God bless.
pickles
Hello Pickles,
Nice to hear from you sister.

How about this....see how you feel about this interpretation...its okay if you disagree...it wont make us enemies..

Rev 13:1-4
This beasts 7 heads are 7 world empires
Waters are multitudes. Nations/empires are made up of multitudes. So this is what the beast is made up of....hence rising out of the sea (consisting of water/peoples)
The 7 heads are the empires important to Gods plan which affect Israel.
One of the empires was wounded by the sword (war) but eventually reemerges once again reborn. So the wounded beast is the empire not the man.

If you notice verse 5-8, the beast/empire is given a mouth.
God is revealing the overall picture here, because that mouth is the false prophet that joins the empire and speaks wonderful words. So we are still on the subject of the 1st beast here but with extra detail. the overall snap shot in time.
And since the false prophet is part of the empire (its leader), God has included him in the 1st beasts explanation as an overall explanation, because the 1st beast only starts speaking wonderful words/blasphemies when that wicked ruler who is against God joins them.

Daniel speaks a lot about a wicked man who has a mouth speaking blasphemies who will rule an empire consisting of 10 kings.
Notice the 1st beast has 10 horns.
Notice the 10 horns join with the false prophet
so it must be the last empire, because the false prophet is the last king of mans rule before Jesus returns.
Rev 17:12 tells us horns are kings.
And the 10 horns are ON the beasts head, on top. Rulers are always on top.

Rev 13:11-18
The two horned beast is the mouth. This is the false prophet
He speaks blasphemies and is against God as we all know..
It doesn't mean he will be openly mocking God. But teaching a sneaky corruption of truth...which is still blasphemy...before eventually claiming to be God once his rule is secure.

He tells the world to worship the first beast, which by the way, he rules anyway...ironic huh, but how do people worship an empire?
Well worship doesnt just mean worshipping a God or gods, but worship also means giving allegiance to...obeying.
And since he wants the world to obey the 1st beasts laws, and knowing the world is wary of dictators, he wants this beast empire to seem democratic...the will of the people etc...how nice and just of him huh.

example:
verse 14: The false prophet asks the people to make the image of the beast....so the false prophet does not make the image, but the people do. How democratic of him !! He is just appearing as the enforcer of the peoples will. Yet he is the one bringing it all about in the first place...sneaky tactic huh !!

hope this helps

Regards
Devolution.











 
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??? WHAT version of the Bible are you reading?

here are a few other version you can compare and see how the word "mounts" mean to people who actually TRANSLATE the Bible.

24 ‘Look, the siege mounds! They have come to the city to take it; and the city has been given into the hand of the Chaldeans who fight against it, because of the sword and famine and pestilence. What You have spoken has happened; there You see it!,,,,, NKJV

Jeremiah 32:24 (Amplified Bible)

24See the siege mounds [of earth which the foe has heaped against the walls]; they have come up to the city to take it. And the city is given into the hand of the Chaldeans who fight against it, because [the people are overcome] by the sword and the famine and the pestilence. What You have spoken has come to pass, and behold, You see it.
Jeremiah 32:24 (The Message)

24-25"'Oh, look at the siege ramps already set in place to take the city. Killing and starvation and disease are on our doorstep. The Babylonians are attacking! The Word you spoke is coming to pass—it's daily news! And yet you, God, the Master, even though it is certain that the city will be turned over to the Babylonians, also told me, Buy the field. Pay for it in cash. And make sure there are witnesses.'


OK I found it...
Jeremiah 32:24 (King James Version)

24Behold the mounts, they are come unto the city to take it; and the city is given into the hand of the Chaldeans, that fight against it, because of the sword, and of the famine, and of the pestilence: and what thou hast spoken is come to pass; and, behold, thou seest it.

Now lets look at the ORIGINAL Language.... any Bible scholars can tell us the original Hebrew word and its meaning? I haven't learned how to read it yet. working on it.
Hi Ananda,

I dont wish to debate translations, i understand what you're saying, fair enough...so here are a few more examples for you to ponder on..

Jeremiah 51:25> Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain.

God is against this destroying mountain. Is God angry with a hunk of rock? Mountains dont sin to get mad at, or is He talking against a nation/empire?

Isaiah 2:2> And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

A mountain is to be established in a mountain? How does one exalt a mountain above the hills when a mountain is already higher than a hill? It is a contradiction unless it holds another meaning...You should look into why the fuss over the dead sea scrolls was so huge. It is because they uncovered OT scripture 1000 years older than any we had. Proving that the written word of God hasn't changed and has been preserved just as he promised. And the most complete version of Isaiah to date was there also. And the bible that matches this most accurately? KJV 1611. All others have been changed to suit the language of the day...a dangerous practice which undoes Gods key words and changes the meaning of prophecies making them impossible to unlock.

Something for you to decide yourself.

Regards
Devolution.


 
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Dear Devolution,
I believe Christ founded only one Church (Matthew 16:18), and that the one Church declared in 381 AD that chiliasm (premillennialism) is unacceptable for all Christians.
It is a universal teaching of the universal Church. It is is the very Christian Creed of the One true Church. Of Christ's Kingdom "there shall be no end"/ "there is no end."
Do you believe Christ will rule for 1,000 years in the future from earthly Jerusalem, from an earthly Jewish kingdom with animals sacrifices in the restored Jewish temple, and with some resurrected believers, and other believers unresurrected and marrying and giving in marriage? Is that what Revelation teaches? If that is what you believe Revelation says, it is indeed a case of "private interpretation" of the Scriptures, of Revelation, which 2 Peter 1:20-21; cf. 2 Peter 3:16-18 speaks against. We should believe only what has been believed by true Christians "always, everywhere, and by everyone" who is a true Christian, and a true Christian will believe the unaltered Nicene Creed without the Filioque, and the seven ecumenical councils of the One Church between 325 AD and 787 AD. Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Hi Scotth,
The church was founded long before 381 ad. You speak of the mainstream version of Christianity which claimed lordship over the written word centuries later and killed any who disobeyed them. Not to mention this church came about under the lordship of the very ones who persecuted Gods church in the first place and married pagan concepts into their worship practices... Quite a different practice to what Jesus taught. Concerning the blood on that churches hands...Any who rejected Jesus or taught another Jesus, Jesus instructed to leave them alone and shake the dust off ones feet...not to kill or imprison or torture or burn at the stake. Big difference.

Jesus also said His Word was for everybody, But that first church banned private ownership of the written Word, and monopolized on the interpretations. It also taught in Latin everywhere it set up, speaking a language at sermons that most could not understand at all. Not very fruitful for the spreading of His Word now is is? It wasnt until copies were eventually leaked out that it became apparent that the church you speak of was abusing the Word for their own selfish gain. I do know somewhat of history....It is not a church i consider the original, but something else all together...something counterfeit. The white horse of revelations comes to mind amongst other scripture.

I reply this way at your hinting that any who don't follow your church are false. Which of course you include me also. I don't mind what you think of me. It is your personal decision after all.

Regards
Devolution.


 
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Hi Scotth,
The church was founded long before 381 ad. You speak of the mainstream version of Christianity which claimed lordship over the written word centuries later and killed any who disobeyed them. Not to mention this church came about under the lordship of the very ones who persecuted Gods church in the first place and married pagan concepts into their worship practices... Quite a different practice to what Jesus taught. Concerning the blood on that churches hands...Any who rejected Jesus or taught another Jesus, Jesus instructed to leave them alone and shake the dust off ones feet...not to kill or imprison or torture or burn at the stake. Big difference.

Jesus also said His Word was for everybody, But that first church banned private ownership of the written Word, and monopolized on the interpretations. It also taught in Latin everywhere it set up, speaking a language at sermons that most could not understand at all. Not very fruitful for the spreading of His Word now is is? It wasnt until copies were eventually leaked out that it became apparent that the church you speak of was abusing the Word for their own selfish gain. I do know somewhat of history....It is not a church i consider the original, but something else all together...something counterfeit. The white horse of revelations comes to mind amongst other scripture.

That view of the church, Devolution, is simply false. The true church existed in 381 AD and was Greek speaking. The NT was written in Greek. The Jewish apostles of Christ used Greek. Christianity spread from Jews only to both Jews and Gentiles.The Orthodox Church did not marry pagan traditions with its preaching of the Gospel. You must remember that even St. Paul quoted a pagan poet in the book of Acts. That is what the Church did with Greek philosophy: they spoke the Gospel teachings using some Greek concepts so they could express things in terms the Greek culture could understand. The Greek word Logos existed in Greek philosophy, and St. John referred to Christ as the Logos of God in his Gospel.
If the Greek Orthodox Church is not the original church, what church is? Some Protestant creation after 1517 AD? The English church with John Wycliffe? And you mention Latin. The more Orthodox church fathers wrote in Greek, not Latin. Some of the Latin speakers were Orthodox Christians, but later, starting with Augustine of Hippo, the Latin church fathers became moving away from Orthodoxy, into the Roman "catholic" (sic) heresy.
When you talk about the church, you seem to be confusing Orthodoxy with Roman Catholicism. It was Roman Catholicism which did the things you are talking about, not Eastern Orthodoxy. Papal Rome caused the schism in the church, which came to be between 1014 and 1054 AD. When Rome started chanting "Filioque", "Filioque". Take care.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington May 2011 AD
PS It is for God to judge who is false. But Protestantism is false doctrine. You can draw the conclusion that the things Protestantism taught were not taught in the early Church. If Protestantism is a return to and restoration of the original Gospel, we should be able to find writings of the early Christians after the NT was completed which interpret the NT in Protestant terms. Protestantism fails to produce evidence from the church fathers for its peculiar teachings, and its "solas". Anyway, I don't think anything in particular about you. I am not responding to you personally. I try to keep things objective. I don't make ad hominem statements.Not everything outside the Orthodox Church is false. But some of it is false. Not everything among Orthodox Christians is perfect. There is sin among all people. The Bible says so.

I reply this way at your hinting that any who don't follow your church are false. Which of course you include me also. I don't mind what you think of me. It is your personal decision after all.

Regards
Devolution.


 
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That view of the church, Devolution, is simply false. The true church existed in 381 AD and was Greek speaking. The NT was written in Greek. The Jewish apostles of Christ used Greek. Christianity spread from Jews only to both Jews and Gentiles.The Orthodox Church did not marry pagan traditions with its preaching of the Gospel. You must remember that even St. Paul quoted a pagan poet in the book of Acts. That is what the Church did with Greek philosophy: they spoke the Gospel teachings using some Greek concepts so they could express things in terms the Greek culture could understand. The Greek word Logos existed in Greek philosophy, and St. John referred to Christ as the Logos of God in his Gospel.
If the Greek Orthodox Church is not the original church, what church is? Some Protestant creation after 1517 AD? The English church with John Wycliffe? And you mention Latin. The more Orthodox church fathers wrote in Greek, not Latin. Some of the Latin speakers were Orthodox Christians, but later, starting with Augustine of Hippo, the Latin church fathers became moving away from Orthodoxy, into the Roman "catholic" (sic) heresy.
When you talk about the church, you seem to be confusing Orthodoxy with Roman Catholicism. It was Roman Catholicism which did the things you are talking about, not Eastern Orthodoxy. Papal Rome caused the schism in the church, which came to be between 1014 and 1054 AD. When Rome started chanting "Filioque", "Filioque". Take care.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington May 2011 AD
PS It is for God to judge who is false. But Protestantism is false doctrine. You can draw the conclusion that the things Protestantism taught were not taught in the early Church. If Protestantism is a return to and restoration of the original Gospel, we should be able to find writings of the early Christians after the NT was completed which interpret the NT in Protestant terms. Protestantism fails to produce evidence from the church fathers for its peculiar teachings, and its "solas". Anyway, I don't think anything in particular about you. I am not responding to you personally. I try to keep things objective. I don't make ad hominem statements.Not everything outside the Orthodox Church is false. But some of it is false. Not everything among Orthodox Christians is perfect. There is sin among all people. The Bible says so.


Hi Scotth,
Yes i was talking of the Catholic church. I apologize for calling your church Catholic, my error. But didn't your religion split from the Catholics? Retaining most of the Catholic beliefs in the process? Doesn't this make your religion one of the Catholic daughters? Meaning you come from the same root?

Tell me please,
Do you pray to Mary? Catholic in origin.
Do you pray to saints? Catholic in oirigin.
Do you pray to angels? Catholic in origin.
Do you have communion? Catholic in origin.
Do you have statues you bow down to? Catholic in origin.
Do you have confession? Catholic in origin.
Do you teach that ONLY priests can understand the bible? Catholic in origin.
Does your church teach that the bible is all fulfilled?
Do you believe that Satan is inoperative for these last 2000 years (locked up)?
Do you realize the church was established by Jesus and His Apostles after pentecost? Why do you say it started in 381ad??
Was Christs Church empty for 381 years UNTIL your church came to enlighten??
Have you ever asked yourself these questions?
Do you think it is blasphemy to seek out answers to these?
Is it a sin to question your church?

And no Scotth, i am not pentecostal. I am not part of any of these religions. I live my life according to Jesus' teachings is all. My basic foundation is the Holy Bible. Not what men tell me to believe.

Hope you answer honestly as i have.

Regards
Devolution.
 
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REALLY?

Genesis 8:4
Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat


Genesis 8:5
And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month. In the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains were seen

Isaiah 57:13
When you cry out, Let your collection of idols deliver you. But the wind will carry them all away, A breath will take them.But he who puts his trust in Me shall possess the land, And shall inherit My holy mountain.”


now if you are going to say something avoid the word "always" please. If you would like an example that tell you that Babylonian was described as a mountain use this Bible verse instead. just a suggestion.

Jeremiah 51:24-26 (New King James Version)

24 “ And I will repay Babylon
And all the inhabitants of Chaldea
For all the evil they have done
In Zion in your sight,” says the LORD.
25 “ Behold, I am against you, O destroying mountain,
Who destroys all the earth,” says the LORD.

“ And I will stretch out My hand against you,
Roll you down from the rocks,
And make you a burnt mountain.
26 They shall not take from you a stone for a corner
Nor a stone for a foundation,
But you shall be desolate forever,” says the LORD.
I apologize for assuming that anyone who is reading this particular thread would know that I am specifically referring to prophecy. Some people just like to be contentious & pick out every little error to see themselves as more inspired or more intelligent than others!!
 
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NoahsMom

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The only city that boasts 7 hills is rome, hey DEV...good to see ya, just addin my 2 cents....lol
 
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I apologize for assuming that anyone who is reading this particular thread would know that I am specifically referring to prophecy. Some people just like to be contentious & pick out every little error to see themselves as more inspired or more intelligent than others!!
no i do it so that when you speak to someone who isn't Christian they will not pick apart your testimony for being illogical and not listen to the True message of the Bible which is Christ salvation. If they find fault in such a simple mistake that you can avoid saying or doing then perhaps they may listen to your testimony of the salvation of Jesus who died for our sins on the cross.

However if you prefer to sound purposely ignorant and naive that is your choice. It is easily remedied if you take a few minutes to check sources. I'm not disagreeing with your statement or Devolutions just suggesting that different scriptures and words should be implemented when discussing it with others so the meaning and message will be clearer. I'm sorry if I offended you or Devolution. I thought this was a DISCUSSION board.

I'll just stop talking apparently this isn't about discussion and learning about the Bible but making people feel good about themselves and not offending other people with actual conversation

Maybe the weather?


Psalm 58:8-10 (New King James Version)

8 Let them be like a snail which melts away as it goes,
Like a stillborn child of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

9 Before your pots can feel the burning thorns,
He shall take them away as with a whirlwind,
As in His living and burning wrath.
10 The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance;
He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked,
 
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Hi Ananda,

What tigger and i mean when we say mountains always referring to nations, is that in symbolic speak, mountains means nations. Mountains also mean just that...mountains...any other time non prophetically...mountains just mean hunks of rock !! We are only talking of the SYMBOLISM in prophecies when mountains are used...

Hope that clears that up...

Regards
devolution.
 
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The only city that boasts 7 hills is rome, hey DEV...good to see ya, just addin my 2 cents....lol
Lol, Hi NM,

Good to see ya too...
Well you disagree huh? How dare you? LOOOL.... :)
Just joking....yeah i had money problems so my internet was down for a while.....

Here's something for ya my friend who disagrees :) ......7 mountains, one of the mountains was wounded but healed....how do you wound a hunk of rock then heal it? Roll in the cement trucks and rebuild it? LOL....and if it were Rome, how does only one mount get wounded, shouldn't all 7 mounts be wounded? For the 7 are in one spot if its Rome?

Anyway, something for you to ponder....Yep, its good to be back, i was getting withdraws...lot of new names here on CC now....a lot changes in a short time huh? Hope you's are all well...

Your brother
Devo....mmm devo !! sounds a bit devious LOL.
 

pickles

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Hello Pickles,
Nice to hear from you sister.

How about this....see how you feel about this interpretation...its okay if you disagree...it wont make us enemies..

Rev 13:1-4
This beasts 7 heads are 7 world empires
Waters are multitudes. Nations/empires are made up of multitudes. So this is what the beast is made up of....hence rising out of the sea (consisting of water/peoples)
The 7 heads are the empires important to Gods plan which affect Israel.
One of the empires was wounded by the sword (war) but eventually reemerges once again reborn. So the wounded beast is the empire not the man.

If you notice verse 5-8, the beast/empire is given a mouth.
God is revealing the overall picture here, because that mouth is the false prophet that joins the empire and speaks wonderful words. So we are still on the subject of the 1st beast here but with extra detail. the overall snap shot in time.
And since the false prophet is part of the empire (its leader), God has included him in the 1st beasts explanation as an overall explanation, because the 1st beast only starts speaking wonderful words/blasphemies when that wicked ruler who is against God joins them.

Daniel speaks a lot about a wicked man who has a mouth speaking blasphemies who will rule an empire consisting of 10 kings.
Notice the 1st beast has 10 horns.
Notice the 10 horns join with the false prophet
so it must be the last empire, because the false prophet is the last king of mans rule before Jesus returns.
Rev 17:12 tells us horns are kings.
And the 10 horns are ON the beasts head, on top. Rulers are always on top.

Rev 13:11-18
The two horned beast is the mouth. This is the false prophet
He speaks blasphemies and is against God as we all know..
It doesn't mean he will be openly mocking God. But teaching a sneaky corruption of truth...which is still blasphemy...before eventually claiming to be God once his rule is secure.

He tells the world to worship the first beast, which by the way, he rules anyway...ironic huh, but how do people worship an empire?
Well worship doesnt just mean worshipping a God or gods, but worship also means giving allegiance to...obeying.
And since he wants the world to obey the 1st beasts laws, and knowing the world is wary of dictators, he wants this beast empire to seem democratic...the will of the people etc...how nice and just of him huh.

example:
verse 14: The false prophet asks the people to make the image of the beast....so the false prophet does not make the image, but the people do. How democratic of him !! He is just appearing as the enforcer of the peoples will. Yet he is the one bringing it all about in the first place...sneaky tactic huh !!

hope this helps

Regards
Devolution.

Thankyou, Ill study on this.
I have heard this to somedegree from others here.
But I wondered as scripture has always had meaning in both spiritual and plainly spoken as well.
But revelations is very different. :)

God bless.
pickles