Donate the books and video games to Goodwill or some place like that. It is best to travel light. No, just get rid of it. It's best to travel light in our life's journey. I hardly think that having some books and games qualifies you as being a rich man. There are probably going to be quite a few rich men and women that will enter heaven. It's the love of money that's the problem, not the money in itself. Lose the stuff.
should I sell my possesions?
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where do you come up with this stuff? Then get off saying you do not teach a gospel of works.
The person had already said he obeyed the law since birth. What jesus was trying to get him to do wash admit he did not obey the law. Because he loved his things more than he loved God so he could not keep the first command.
Insterad of repenting and saying I see Lord, I have not obeyed the law.
Jesus did not want his to sell al he had, He wanted him to repent. And admit he has not done what he said.
The person had already said he obeyed the law since birth. What jesus was trying to get him to do wash admit he did not obey the law. Because he loved his things more than he loved God so he could not keep the first command.
Insterad of repenting and saying I see Lord, I have not obeyed the law.
Jesus did not want his to sell al he had, He wanted him to repent. And admit he has not done what he said.
Jesus said in that same passage that it was Impossible for a man but with God all things are possible.. So all men fall short.. Thats why we need the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. For the rich man and for all other sinners..
Matthew 19: KJV
23"¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. {24} And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. {25} When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? {26} But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
Matthew 19: KJV
23"¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. {24} And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. {25} When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? {26} But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
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That's what I said. Jesus was showing him he did not keep the laws of generosity, like this one:
7“If there is a poor man with you, one of your brothers, in any of your towns in your land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand from your poor brother; 8but you shall freely open your hand to him, and shall generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks." (Deuteronomy 15:7-8 NASB).
Like the Pharisees, he had a misguided confidence of being a law abiding citizen of the kingdom from the laws that he thought he kept.
If he loved God he would not have the condemnation of the law in regard to poor people against him, for he would have kept those commands out of love for God.
What, Jesus was lying? Of course Jesus wanted him to sell his stuff and give to the poor. How else is he going to have treasure in heaven?
“If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven...” (Matthew 19:21 NASB)"
14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works?" (James 2:14 NASB)
Contrary to what is taught in our churches, repentance in word alone is not repentance:
"17But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? 18Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. 19We will know by this that we are of the truth, and will assure our heart before Him" (1 John 3:17-19 NASB)
"...they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance." (Acts 26:20 NASB)
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The story of Jesus,and the rich man,is about love people,for that is how we enter heaven.Jesus is plainly telling the rich man to love people,and that is how he will be able to enter heaven.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
The two greatest commandments is what we go by in the New Testament,love God,and love people.
Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,which are the laws of love,moral laws,and since they are spiritual they must be obeyed.
The ten commandments are to be obeyed for they are laws of love towards God,and people.
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,God and man together in harmony,which God laid down His life,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
When the rich man said to Jesus,good Master,he was addressing Jesus according to His humanity,and not His deity,so the man Christ Jesus gave glory to God,and said,why call Me good,I am only doing good because God is causing Me to do good.
Love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
The rich man wanted to know how he could inherit eternal life,which Jesus pointed out the 6 commandments that had to do with loving people,doing no ill towards them,for that is the only way we can enter heaven is if we love people.
The rich man said he obeyed the 6 commandments,which Jesus did not rebuke him about this,and did not say he lacked concerning this.
Paul said he could have all faith so that he could remove mountains,but if he did not have charity,love in action,he was nothing.
Paul said if any person preaches that God blesses with money,and material things,for personal use,their wants,to withdraw yourselves from them,having food,and clothing,be content.
For the love of money is the root of all evil for it violates the 2 greatest laws,love God,and love people,for if you love people,you love God,and the love of money neglects the poor and needy which is what it is all about.
Creation testifies that there is a God,and He loves people,the universal law that covers the history of mankind,so they are without excuse.
Paul said if they go by their wants,and do not help the poor and needy they have erred from the faith.
James said if they say to people,be warm,and be filled,but do nothing to help them with their needs if they can,then their faith is dead.
John said if people have the means to help the poor and needy,and do not do it,then the love of God does not dwell in them,so let us not love in word only,but in deed and in truth,which is charity,love in action.
Jesus told the rich man to sell all he had,and give to the poor,for that is part of loving people,and if he did not want to sell all his things that were not of a necessity,and help the poor,then he loved money,and material things,above that of people,then he could not enter heaven,for loving people is the fulfilling of the law,and helping the poor and needy is part of that loving people.
The story of Jesus,and the rich man,is about loving people,for that is how we can have access to heaven.
It is not that the rich man put money,and material things,above God,in this situation as to why he could not enter heaven,but he put money,and material things,above people,so he could not enter heaven for he loved money,and material things,more than people.
We cannot put money,and material things,above God,but we also cannot put them above people,but we must love people more than money,and material things,which the Bible says the rich are to distribute their money.
Not only do we have to not do any harm,and offense to people,but we must also help them with their needs,for that is part of loving people.
There are many people who claim Christ that may not do any harm towards people,and obey the 6 commandments concerning loving people,not wanting to steal from them,and the rest,but then believe God is blessing them with money,and material things,for personal use to cater to their wants,and then they fall short of loving people,for they love money,and material things,more than people,and there is no scriptures to say that God blesses with money,and material things,so how did they come up with that.
Some Jews in the Old Testament complained that it was vain,and without profit,to serve God,when they were struggling while the people that did not love God,and did not serve Him,were set up financially,and did well,and had money aplenty,and did not see trouble.
But God said,hold up,for one day you will know who is the one that is blessed,and who is not blessed,for they will come to naught,and you will prosper,in the future.
The Bible says sell all you have,and give to the poor,and having food,and clothing,be content,and the saints appear poor to the world,but possess all things,to be given them when God ends this sin business on earth,but not now,and the preacher is not to be in the ministry for the money,and Paul said he only went by his necessities,and they do not have faith if they go by their wants,and not their needs,and to help others with their needs.
So how did they come up with the prosperity Gospel.
The story of Jesus,and the rich man,is about loving people,for that is how you will be able to enter heaven,plain and simple.
Do not make it out to be anything else.
Jesus did not rebuke the rich man for saying he obeyed the 6 commandments to do with loving people,and did not say he lacked there,but said he lacked concerning not caring about the poor,and needy,but he loved his money,and material things,more than people.
Sell all you have,things that do not have anything to do with your needs,and give to the poor,and then you will be able to enter heaven,for then you love people above money,and material things.
For love is the fulfilling of the law.
Look at America,and do you think they actually have that much love for people in reality,for it appears the attitude is get all you can get,and forget everyone else.
Sure Americans like to throw around words like,I love you,and have a good day,but in reality do they really love,as they scurry to get money,and material things,and the more the merrier,all the while saying God is blessing America for their prosperity.
Businesses that are nationwide,raking in millions of dollars a year,but they still charge prices like they are a mom and pop store that is trying to make ends meet,and everybody from the homeless on the street to the president is trying to heap as much money,and material things,to themselves,that they can possibly get their greedy fingers on.
Even the homeless brag against one another.Hey man,check out my 2 box apartment,and I have 5 returnable bottles.That's nothing man,I have a 3 box apartment with a window view,and ten returnable bottles.
The people who claim Christ in America for the majority fall under the same situation as the rich man,for they love money,and material things,more than people,and if they do not have access to have money,and material things,above their needs,they want it,so they are just as guilty.
The early Church had all things common,which means they shared everything,and sold all they had,lands,and houses,that were not a part of their needs,and gave to those who lacked their needs,because that is loving people,and loving people is how you inherit eternal life.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
The two greatest commandments is what we go by in the New Testament,love God,and love people.
Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,which are the laws of love,moral laws,and since they are spiritual they must be obeyed.
The ten commandments are to be obeyed for they are laws of love towards God,and people.
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,God and man together in harmony,which God laid down His life,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
When the rich man said to Jesus,good Master,he was addressing Jesus according to His humanity,and not His deity,so the man Christ Jesus gave glory to God,and said,why call Me good,I am only doing good because God is causing Me to do good.
Love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
The rich man wanted to know how he could inherit eternal life,which Jesus pointed out the 6 commandments that had to do with loving people,doing no ill towards them,for that is the only way we can enter heaven is if we love people.
The rich man said he obeyed the 6 commandments,which Jesus did not rebuke him about this,and did not say he lacked concerning this.
Paul said he could have all faith so that he could remove mountains,but if he did not have charity,love in action,he was nothing.
Paul said if any person preaches that God blesses with money,and material things,for personal use,their wants,to withdraw yourselves from them,having food,and clothing,be content.
For the love of money is the root of all evil for it violates the 2 greatest laws,love God,and love people,for if you love people,you love God,and the love of money neglects the poor and needy which is what it is all about.
Creation testifies that there is a God,and He loves people,the universal law that covers the history of mankind,so they are without excuse.
Paul said if they go by their wants,and do not help the poor and needy they have erred from the faith.
James said if they say to people,be warm,and be filled,but do nothing to help them with their needs if they can,then their faith is dead.
John said if people have the means to help the poor and needy,and do not do it,then the love of God does not dwell in them,so let us not love in word only,but in deed and in truth,which is charity,love in action.
Jesus told the rich man to sell all he had,and give to the poor,for that is part of loving people,and if he did not want to sell all his things that were not of a necessity,and help the poor,then he loved money,and material things,above that of people,then he could not enter heaven,for loving people is the fulfilling of the law,and helping the poor and needy is part of that loving people.
The story of Jesus,and the rich man,is about loving people,for that is how we can have access to heaven.
It is not that the rich man put money,and material things,above God,in this situation as to why he could not enter heaven,but he put money,and material things,above people,so he could not enter heaven for he loved money,and material things,more than people.
We cannot put money,and material things,above God,but we also cannot put them above people,but we must love people more than money,and material things,which the Bible says the rich are to distribute their money.
Not only do we have to not do any harm,and offense to people,but we must also help them with their needs,for that is part of loving people.
There are many people who claim Christ that may not do any harm towards people,and obey the 6 commandments concerning loving people,not wanting to steal from them,and the rest,but then believe God is blessing them with money,and material things,for personal use to cater to their wants,and then they fall short of loving people,for they love money,and material things,more than people,and there is no scriptures to say that God blesses with money,and material things,so how did they come up with that.
Some Jews in the Old Testament complained that it was vain,and without profit,to serve God,when they were struggling while the people that did not love God,and did not serve Him,were set up financially,and did well,and had money aplenty,and did not see trouble.
But God said,hold up,for one day you will know who is the one that is blessed,and who is not blessed,for they will come to naught,and you will prosper,in the future.
The Bible says sell all you have,and give to the poor,and having food,and clothing,be content,and the saints appear poor to the world,but possess all things,to be given them when God ends this sin business on earth,but not now,and the preacher is not to be in the ministry for the money,and Paul said he only went by his necessities,and they do not have faith if they go by their wants,and not their needs,and to help others with their needs.
So how did they come up with the prosperity Gospel.
The story of Jesus,and the rich man,is about loving people,for that is how you will be able to enter heaven,plain and simple.
Do not make it out to be anything else.
Jesus did not rebuke the rich man for saying he obeyed the 6 commandments to do with loving people,and did not say he lacked there,but said he lacked concerning not caring about the poor,and needy,but he loved his money,and material things,more than people.
Sell all you have,things that do not have anything to do with your needs,and give to the poor,and then you will be able to enter heaven,for then you love people above money,and material things.
For love is the fulfilling of the law.
Look at America,and do you think they actually have that much love for people in reality,for it appears the attitude is get all you can get,and forget everyone else.
Sure Americans like to throw around words like,I love you,and have a good day,but in reality do they really love,as they scurry to get money,and material things,and the more the merrier,all the while saying God is blessing America for their prosperity.
Businesses that are nationwide,raking in millions of dollars a year,but they still charge prices like they are a mom and pop store that is trying to make ends meet,and everybody from the homeless on the street to the president is trying to heap as much money,and material things,to themselves,that they can possibly get their greedy fingers on.
Even the homeless brag against one another.Hey man,check out my 2 box apartment,and I have 5 returnable bottles.That's nothing man,I have a 3 box apartment with a window view,and ten returnable bottles.
The people who claim Christ in America for the majority fall under the same situation as the rich man,for they love money,and material things,more than people,and if they do not have access to have money,and material things,above their needs,they want it,so they are just as guilty.
The early Church had all things common,which means they shared everything,and sold all they had,lands,and houses,that were not a part of their needs,and gave to those who lacked their needs,because that is loving people,and loving people is how you inherit eternal life.
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I saved this for yesterday afraid it would be lost. Glad I did.
[FONT="][FONT="]And you claim you do not teach a gospel of works. Give it up man. Your fooling no one but yourself. [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]If a person is not a born again child of God. He could sell all he had, He would not be blessed with the blessings afforded to a child of Gopd who is working in love, because a non child of God is not capable of loving as God loves. Because he has not experienced the love of God himself. This is exactly what Paul was telling Timothy, Lawers who want to teach law (works) but do not understand the law themselves. [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]God does not want us to earn salvation by works. He wants us to truly repent and recieve his gift in faith, trusting not in us, but in him. THIS and ONLY this will bear fruit as we are empowered by the HS given to us, the grace and mercy shown us, and the power of the knowledge we HAVE eternal life. Which not only keeps us in faith Because we KNOW God will not fail. But keeps us from falling, because our faith is in CHRIST not in how well we perform![/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]This church you keep talking about? I have never seen it, I have never witnessed it. The churches I have visited which teach off the power of the gospel to save and change teach that true repentance leads to true salvation which leads to true power over sin and a changed life.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]The churches I see with no power are the performance churches who demand that it is how good we are which determines our salvation. And that we should NEVER be secure in our walk because we can fall at any time and lose that wonderful gift God supposedly gave us. And all our work we completed up too that time is meaningless. Because it will be lost.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]You offer no hope my friend. Only fear (if people are truly seeing themselves in the eyes of God) or blindness to the sin you deny you have. [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]If God appeared to you today you would fall on your knees and realise how sinful you are. Right now! And this gospel you teach would be exposed. I just pray you see it before you face christ and it is too late![/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]And you claim you do not teach a gospel of works. Give it up man. Your fooling no one but yourself. [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]If a person is not a born again child of God. He could sell all he had, He would not be blessed with the blessings afforded to a child of Gopd who is working in love, because a non child of God is not capable of loving as God loves. Because he has not experienced the love of God himself. This is exactly what Paul was telling Timothy, Lawers who want to teach law (works) but do not understand the law themselves. [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]God does not want us to earn salvation by works. He wants us to truly repent and recieve his gift in faith, trusting not in us, but in him. THIS and ONLY this will bear fruit as we are empowered by the HS given to us, the grace and mercy shown us, and the power of the knowledge we HAVE eternal life. Which not only keeps us in faith Because we KNOW God will not fail. But keeps us from falling, because our faith is in CHRIST not in how well we perform![/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]This church you keep talking about? I have never seen it, I have never witnessed it. The churches I have visited which teach off the power of the gospel to save and change teach that true repentance leads to true salvation which leads to true power over sin and a changed life.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]The churches I see with no power are the performance churches who demand that it is how good we are which determines our salvation. And that we should NEVER be secure in our walk because we can fall at any time and lose that wonderful gift God supposedly gave us. And all our work we completed up too that time is meaningless. Because it will be lost.[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]You offer no hope my friend. Only fear (if people are truly seeing themselves in the eyes of God) or blindness to the sin you deny you have. [/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT="][FONT="]If God appeared to you today you would fall on your knees and realise how sinful you are. Right now! And this gospel you teach would be exposed. I just pray you see it before you face christ and it is too late![/FONT][/FONT]
Probably best to get rid of stuff that is not godly anyway (games or useless books/mags etc). But if you sell everything, you'll probably have to sponge off others. Even Paul said he did not put costs on others, and a Psalm says, work or don't eat.
So, just don't destroy yourself, but put money and stuff/time to godly use. But if you can't let it go because you still WANT it, you'll have to deal with it eventually.
So, just don't destroy yourself, but put money and stuff/time to godly use. But if you can't let it go because you still WANT it, you'll have to deal with it eventually.