Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

[JesusIsAll]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

I care about what the Bible says.

With the exception of the Lord's teaching through Paul, once even a Pharisee. You have some wisdom there, to be able to spin your own theology, trying to bring others under your bondage, your weakness to have to add whatever perverse sabbath law you're advocating, that has your working a message board on the sabbath. Just what are you, anyway? A Chrisojew? More a Jew-lite? Or more a Christ-lite?

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

 

[notuptome]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Seems simple and evident to me. First rationalize to justify then deny when confronted about the inconsistency followed by demonization of those who persist.

Jehovah said with their lips do these people serve me but their hearts are far from Me.

The law can only show forth the sin that a man has. The law cannot create righteousness. Gods grace imputes the righteousness of Christ to the believer.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Scuba]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Seems simple and evident to me. First rationalize to justify then deny when confronted about the inconsistency followed by demonization of those who persist.

Jehovah said with their lips do these people serve me but their hearts are far from Me.

The law can only show forth the sin that a man has. The law cannot create righteousness. Gods grace imputes the righteousness of Christ to the believer.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Grace is not a warm buttery feeling. Grace teaches us to live righteous lives and righteousness is defined by God.

 

[Scuba]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

With the exception of the Lord's teaching through Paul, once even a Pharisee. You have some wisdom there, to be able to spin your own theology, trying to bring others under your bondage, your weakness to have to add whatever perverse sabbath law you're advocating, that has your working a message board on the sabbath. Just what are you, anyway? A Chrisojew? More a Jew-lite? Or more a Christ-lite?

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Freedom and bondage is a simple change in motive. If you are obeying God with a meritorious mindset you are in bondage but if you're obeying God because you love Him that's salvation.

 

[notuptome]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Grace is not a warm buttery feeling. Grace teaches us to live righteous lives and righteousness is defined by God.

You have a very peculiar view of life. What in my post gives you the impression that I see grace as a warm buttery feeling?

I just love it when people impress their own biases on other peoples thoughts.

2 Corinthians 5:21 is how God defines righteousness that results from grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[KohenMatt]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

With the exception of the Lord's teaching through Paul, once even a Pharisee. You have some wisdom there, to be able to spin your own theology, trying to bring others under your bondage, your weakness to have to add whatever perverse sabbath law you're advocating, that has your working a message board on the sabbath. Just what are you, anyway? A Chrisojew? More a Jew-lite? Or more a Christ-lite?

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

I'm a Christian, plain and simple. I happen to follow God's laws from the Old Testament.

BTW, do you follow those verses that say not to judge someone for the days they keep (Sabbath) or the things they eat or don't (pork)?

Please provide a scripture where it says typing/debating/talking on the internet on the Sabbath is wrong.

 

[KohenMatt]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Jehovah said with their lips do these people serve me but their hearts are far from Me.

The law can only show forth the sin that a man has. The law cannot create righteousness. Gods grace imputes the righteousness of Christ to the believer.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Amen. I agree completely.

 

[Scuba]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

You have a very peculiar view of life. What in my post gives you the impression that I see grace as a warm buttery feeling?

I just love it when people impress their own biases on other peoples thoughts.

2 Corinthians 5:21 is how God defines righteousness that results from grace.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Actually that's not how God defines righteousness. Righteousness must be something we are and something we practice.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

Notice two things in the above verse. We are righteous (this comes from Jesus) but we also practice righteousness. Righteousness is defined by God.

 

[just-me]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Are we endeavoring to enter into His rest, or are we missing the whole point by having another thread concerning the Sabbath without meaning Hebrews 4:10?

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Way to go stilly. LOL
see opening post

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

I see many posts/threads about keeping the true Friday evening/Saturday Sabbath. I also noticed many who advocate for observing the Sabbath, do a lot of arguing/debating/discussing of the Sabbath, on the Sabbath.

This observation leads me to a question.

Should "Sabbath keepers" be online arguing/debating/discussing/etc. the Sabbath, on the Sabbath?

I mean if they spend six days a week making multiple posts on this topic, is it necessary to keep at it on the day of rest too? There are plenty of their posts already on the forums. Which means there would be plenty of content already present arguing FOR Sabbath observance. Which means arguing for the Sabbath on the Sabbath isn't necessary work.

I have always thought true Sabbath observance meant doing as little work as needed. If there are already hundreds or thousands of posts on the forums already, then it's not necessary to do the work of advocating for the observance of the Sabbath on the Sabbath. At least in a message board/forum/chat context. Sabbath advocate posts float in the active stream even if they miss a day, making advocating for the Sabbath, on the Sabbath a non-necessity.

Right? Wrong?

Mar_3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Luk_6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

The question is "Why do Sabbath Keepers" share at all, at any time?

1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
1Sa 15:24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.

 

[Yahshua]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Some of those arguing against the observance of the Sabbath are also declaring what ought and ought not to be done on the day. The Pharisees did that; heaped their own rules upon the Father's day, making the Sabbath a burden.

And in this generation it's the same spirit, but the argument is simply switched. We still heap upon the Sabbath our own rules, but then we say, "see this is why it should not be honored." We declare, "to post on a website is unnecessary work...to eat out is work...so you are breaking the Sabbath. You *ought* to be doing this..." and then we get lost in the letter, arguing about what ought and ought not be done. It's the same spirit the Pharisees feel victim to.

The Spirit of God leads. We are one body but many different parts called to do many different jobs. Some are led to serve in a soup kitchen or bless others with their help. Others are led to just relax, because the Sabbath was made for man. While still others are led to preach Sabbath remembrance in many places (including online forums). I've been compelled to do one or the other from one Sabbath to the next.

But to the point of this thread; what message sent by God has not been repeated hundreds of times? Is a lesson taught in church (or online by any member here) whether just once, twice, or a hundred times...enough? There is nothing new under the sun.

So should Sabbath keepers discuss keeping the Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

It's as the Spirit leads.

 

[JesusLives]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

I see many posts/threads about keeping the true Friday evening/Saturday Sabbath. I also noticed many who advocate for observing the Sabbath, do a lot of arguing/debating/discussing of the Sabbath, on the Sabbath.

This observation leads me to a question.

Should "Sabbath keepers" be online arguing/debating/discussing/etc. the Sabbath, on the Sabbath?

I mean if they spend six days a week making multiple posts on this topic, is it necessary to keep at it on the day of rest too? There are plenty of their posts already on the forums. Which means there would be plenty of content already present arguing FOR Sabbath observance. Which means arguing for the Sabbath on the Sabbath isn't necessary work.

I have always thought true Sabbath observance meant doing as little work as needed. If there are already hundreds or thousands of posts on the forums already, then it's not necessary to do the work of advocating for the observance of the Sabbath on the Sabbath. At least in a message board/forum/chat context. Sabbath advocate posts float in the active stream even if they miss a day, making advocating for the Sabbath, on the Sabbath a non-necessity.

Right? Wrong?

Is it wrong to talk to people on the Sabbath day? I don't see it as work to type words on a screen as to me it is the same as talking just a different method. Many times Jesus was questioned about His activities on the Sabbath day and mostly religious leaders doing the questioning.

I post on CC on Sabbath as I do every other day and my intentions are the same everyday of the week first to be more and more like Jesus and then to be an encouragement if possible to help troubled souls and to help spread the truth of God's word. I don't believe any of that is wrong. Blessings to you on the Sabbath day.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Galatians 5:13-14 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Matthew 7:3-5 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

[tourist]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Is it wrong to talk to people on the Sabbath day? I don't see it as work to type words on a screen as to me it is the same as talking just a different method. Many times Jesus was questioned about His activities on the Sabbath day and mostly religious leaders doing the questioning.

I post on CC on Sabbath as I do every other day and my intentions are the same everyday of the week first to be more and more like Jesus and then to be an encouragement if possible to help troubled souls and to help spread the truth of God's word. I don't believe any of that is wrong. Blessings to you on the Sabbath day.

No, it is not wrong. Jesus healed on the Sabbath. It is always good to spread the good news of the Lord any day of the week. He gave us this day to rest and relax too. You are a very encouraging woman of the Lord, each and every day.

 

[just-me]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Is it wrong to talk to people on the Sabbath day? I don't see it as work to type words on a screen as to me it is the same as talking just a different method. Many times Jesus was questioned about His activities on the Sabbath day and mostly religious leaders doing the questioning.

I post on CC on Sabbath as I do every other day and my intentions are the same everyday of the week first to be more and more like Jesus and then to be an encouragement if possible to help troubled souls and to help spread the truth of God's word. I don't believe any of that is wrong. Blessings to you on the Sabbath day.

Yes amen!
The Sabbath always involved convocation.
Hebrews 13:16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased .

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

I don't think typing and talking to people qualifies as effort and work.

Unless my keyboard is really, really stiff.
In that case, I should go buy a different keyboard.
Tomorrow, not today.
It's the Sabbath.

For me, the Sabbath means to stop from all my ordinary work which I do the other 6 days. It means not buying or selling, for there are 6 other days to do this in. For me, personally, it means I don't do physical work, such as house-cleaning, taking out the garbage, checking the mailbox, or cooking. I love preparing for the Sabbath, making what I will eat (or occasionally left overs from take-out), and picking up and straightening my living area before the Sabbath. I have two jobs and one of them is sewing in my apartment. My apartment is my sewing studio, and it is small, so sewing things are all over the place. As Friday evening approaches, I cover the sewing machines with their dust covers, put away projects and orders into boxes and place them neatly on the floor. Then I clear my mind of what my job needs to get done. I'll think about that tomorrow when I uncover the sewing machines and pull out the boxes for each job I am working on. I take a refreshing break from ordinary work. I love sharing my faith and have no guilt or shame for doing so through the communication of the internet. I am taking a break and it is not wrong to communicate our love for Christ and our Holy Father on the Sabbath. I get the sense that the OP is offended by Sabbath Keepers or is trying to say "1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." It's the law they really have a problem with and not those who keep the Sabbath for a full day of resting from ordinary labor, and if it be the law they contend with, then they are also contending with God and Christ. Until Christ comes back, we are to strive for unity, and that means we act mature in our communications and speak truth's revealed in a loving spirit. Personally, I hate name calling and bullying and I don't think that manner of speech is glorifying to our Lord. Love God with all our heart, mind, and soul and love our neighbors, even as we love ourselves. I once totally believed that LAW was done away with, but while I was in that state, other sins kept gnawing at me and often winning. When I opened my heart to the message that the true Sabbath was never done away with, and then consequently coming to the conclusion that I wanted to please God they way He asks for us to, those old temptations and failures began to fade away. There is a hedge of protection for obedience to God's commandments. There is an understanding of the entire Bible, how it seamlessly fits together the old and new testaments. There is, for me, an understanding of fearing God and a desire to run the race to be chosen to serve in the coming Kingdom. Sabbath rest is a blessing and not a curse. Shalom to all.

 

[notuptome]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Actually that's not how God defines righteousness. Righteousness must be something we are and something we practice.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

Notice two things in the above verse. We are righteous (this comes from Jesus) but we also practice righteousness. Righteousness is defined by God.

Your view is inconsistent with the whole of scripture. We are made righteous by Christ or we remain in our own righteousness which is as filthy rages before a righteous and holy God.

Righteousness is by grace and not by works or practice. Those whom Christ has made righteous will practice righteousness. Righteousness flows out from the heart that has been made righteous by the blood of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[just-me]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Your view is inconsistent with the whole of scripture. We are made righteous by Christ or we remain in our own righteousness which is as filthy rages before a righteous and holy God.

Righteousness is by grace and not by works or practice. Those whom Christ has made righteous will practice righteousness. Righteousness flows out from the heart that has been made righteous by the blood of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Exodus 13:6-8
6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed , The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering , and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
8 And Moses made haste , and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped

After the breaking of the tablets of stone God would write them again. Looks as if the same God was as graceful then as He is today. Do you actually see a difference and inconsistency or was the grace then to reiterate what was on the first set? So are you are advocating that if God was really graceful (as He is today) He would not have written any commandments for our understanding to practice righteousness accordingly?

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Eph_6:14 Therefore, stand! Have the belt of truth buckled around your waist, put on righteousness for a breastplate,

Heb_12:11 Now, all discipline, while it is happening, does indeed seem painful, not enjoyable; but for those who have been trained by it, it later produces its peaceful fruit, which is righteousness.

Jas_3:18 And peacemakers who sow seed in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.

330 times the word "righteousness" is used in KJV. Most are active on our part in receiving "righteousness" and not just passive as stating "Righteousness is by grace and not by works or practice." The Word itself does not hold up to this statement. Therefore, it is only partially correct or partially a lie.

 

[Scuba]

Re: Should "Sabbath keepers" discuss/debate keeping Sabbath online on the Sabbath?

Your view is inconsistent with the whole of scripture. We are made righteous by Christ or we remain in our own righteousness which is as filthy rages before a righteous and holy God.

Righteousness is by grace and not by works or practice. Those whom Christ has made righteous will practice righteousness. Righteousness flows out from the heart that has been made righteous by the blood of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I think you're saying the same thing I said.