Should we be sin conscience or conscience of our right standing to GOD?
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KJV Dictionary Definition: FORGIV'EN, Pardoned remitted.
Col 3:13 Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.
(NOTE: As the Lord has forgiven > "PAST TENSE" you)
Ephesians 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
(NOTE: God forgave > "PAST TENSE" you)
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(NOTE: There is NO condemnation/judgment for those in Christ Jesus)
When we hit bumps in the road slip or stumble. I believe a great scripture to confess is:
2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
(NOTE: Believers become the righteousness of God thru faith placed in Christ)
Confession: I am the righteousness of God in Christ.
Final thought, we're forgiven so our confessions before God shouldn't be: please forgive me: But, Thank You Father for forgiveness in Jesus name. Amen
KJV Dictionary Definition: FORGIV'EN, Pardoned remitted.
Col 3:13 Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.
(NOTE: As the Lord has forgiven > "PAST TENSE" you)
Ephesians 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
(NOTE: God forgave > "PAST TENSE" you)
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(NOTE: There is NO condemnation/judgment for those in Christ Jesus)
When we hit bumps in the road slip or stumble. I believe a great scripture to confess is:
2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
(NOTE: Believers become the righteousness of God thru faith placed in Christ)
Confession: I am the righteousness of God in Christ.
Final thought, we're forgiven so our confessions before God shouldn't be: please forgive me: But, Thank You Father for forgiveness in Jesus name. Amen
There is a fine line in believing what the blood of Jesus has done for us and simply living without repentance. His grace was never a free ticket to do as we please but some do not understand this I actually have been shocked to see how many will live this life style. But on the other hand others do not even know the rest of his grace they ask for forgiveness for every sin they do but find it wearing them down and they even fear of his return because of a sin they haven't asked for forgiveness for.
Sadly explaining how his grace works always somehow turns into a fiery hyper grace debate so not many can really seek the answers they need. And Honestly sometimes I admit that I forget how his grace works and will feel like I am going straight to hell so perhaps I myself need to be taught more as well about this
Sadly explaining how his grace works always somehow turns into a fiery hyper grace debate so not many can really seek the answers they need. And Honestly sometimes I admit that I forget how his grace works and will feel like I am going straight to hell so perhaps I myself need to be taught more as well about this
That is not what the Bible teaches, there is no need to be melodramatic. Christians can and do sin, and must deal with their sins according to Scripture. And the primary Scripture is the first two chapters of the first epistle of John. But that is not the only Scripture. The first three chapters of the book of Revelation are also relevant, where Christians are exhorted to REPENT. Then we have James ADDRESSING CHRISTIANS ("brethren") and telling them to cleanse their hands, purify their hearts, mourn and weep, and humble themselves before God.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. (James 4:8-11)
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. (James 4:8-11)
Yes, our new spirit man is made in the image of God, which is where the flesh and blood of Jesus reside, and truly it does not sin, but the other parts of your makeup do.
You have to ignore a great deal of scripture to make such a careless statement.
You might not have to worry about your eternal security when you sin, but there are definite consequences to those who fail to repent of their sins.
Sure you don't HAVE TO repent of your sins if you don't mind going home early in life. But don't be deceived into believing that you'll go softly or affliction free. You'll suffer first for God knows how long, possibly with a wasting disease or some other physical affliction. The law of sowing to the flesh will always reap corruption of the same. It's a law of sin, and no one, including Christians, are exempt from it's sting.
A couple examples below,
Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
Act 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
Act 5:6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
Act 5:7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
Act 5:8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
Act 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Act 5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
1Co 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
1Co 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
1Co 11:33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
1Co 11:34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
You have to ignore a great deal of scripture to make such a careless statement.
You might not have to worry about your eternal security when you sin, but there are definite consequences to those who fail to repent of their sins.
Sure you don't HAVE TO repent of your sins if you don't mind going home early in life. But don't be deceived into believing that you'll go softly or affliction free. You'll suffer first for God knows how long, possibly with a wasting disease or some other physical affliction. The law of sowing to the flesh will always reap corruption of the same. It's a law of sin, and no one, including Christians, are exempt from it's sting.
A couple examples below,
Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
Act 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
Act 5:6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
Act 5:7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
Act 5:8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
Act 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
Act 5:10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
1Co 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
1Co 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
1Co 11:33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.
1Co 11:34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
Well put seed_time_harvest,
Paul laid it out for us:
I Corinthians 6:12: “All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.”
I Corinthians 10:23: “All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.”
We do not have fret over each and every sin we commit. I still pray nightly that God forgive my transgressions and sins and remember them no more. But I am like King David: My sin is ever before me. The more I learn about God, the more unlike Him I see myself. Who is going to save me from this body of death? Like Paul said once: I thank God Jesus already has.
Yours,
Deade
Paul laid it out for us:
I Corinthians 6:12: “All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.”
I Corinthians 10:23: “All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.”
We do not have fret over each and every sin we commit. I still pray nightly that God forgive my transgressions and sins and remember them no more. But I am like King David: My sin is ever before me. The more I learn about God, the more unlike Him I see myself. Who is going to save me from this body of death? Like Paul said once: I thank God Jesus already has.
Yours,
Deade
What In your words would be the meaning of forgive and what Is the meaning of repent?
In my opinion when a person Is sin conscience It would mean that they are thinking constantly about did I sin,I hope I didn’t sin,I need to ask GOD to forgive me AGAIN (like a spiritual requirement that must be done to MAINTAIN salvation) Istead of being aware that GOD sees your spirit New IN CHRIST.GOD sees me as just and In right standing with HIM
but when I do sin I will be aware that I sinned and I will repent to GOD but GOD already forgave me when I got saved.
There Is a difference between forgive and repent.
In my opinion when a person Is sin conscience It would mean that they are thinking constantly about did I sin,I hope I didn’t sin,I need to ask GOD to forgive me AGAIN (like a spiritual requirement that must be done to MAINTAIN salvation) Istead of being aware that GOD sees your spirit New IN CHRIST.GOD sees me as just and In right standing with HIM
but when I do sin I will be aware that I sinned and I will repent to GOD but GOD already forgave me when I got saved.
There Is a difference between forgive and repent.