Sin Confession: A Waste of Breath?

[Speak2Me]

I'm reading a post from another Christian on another web site about 1 John 1:9 This Christian man along with many other Christians posted their views on 1 John 1:9. I'm in agreement with this Christian. I've never met him., no nothing about him. I only know he and I agree on this.


I understand, I was simply stating the way I was taught and brought up. I was taught that i could lose my salvation if I didn’t confess my all my sins. I also do not think that I can break fellowship with God due to sin. Satan would love for you to think that, therefore causing you to fall into guilt and condemnation and sin consious instead of Christ consious. Anything to get your focus off of Christ and on you.

When I sin, I confess my righteousness in Christ. God is not in a swivel chair, when I sin he doesn’t turn his back on me untill I confess than he swings back around. If I go down that road of losing my fellowship with Christ when ever I sin, I would always feel like I couldn’t have fellowship with God. If I sin, than confess my sin, I am saying that I am now sinless from that point on untill I sin again. If I say I have no sin than I am a liar and the truth is not in us. 1John 1:9 says Christ cleanses me from ALL unrighteousness which connotates a one time cleansing.

The first part of 1John 1, John is writing to the Gnostics unbelievers in the church who say they have no sin. Thus 1John 1:9 is sandwiched in between the two verses (8 and 10) that brings that out. If we acknowledge that we have sinned (verse 9) then he will forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. I acknowledged, confessed and agreed with God about my sin one time, that was when I accepted Jesus as Lord. I am cleansed from ALL unrighteousness.

This is another share from another Christian who also understands about what righteousness means that may not agree with the majority here on this thread. We don't attain it., we have it in Christ. This is not about sinless perfection. This is about our righteous standing in Christ that causes us no longer to be under the the law of sin and death. We are now under a new covenant. The old one is OBSOLETE.

Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant "new" He ahs made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Just because not all Christians here on CC don't see this confession issue the same way does not make all us other Christians wrong who don't see it the exact same way. Just because today on this thread there are more who agree and less who do it's not an indication of the whole truth. Truth is not established on us taking a vote. It has to be established by the Word of God. The Bible and the Holy Spirit is our standard even if what is being shared is not popular.



In answer to another Christian;
Emmanuel, from God’s perspective he has taken care of the sin problem, one time in love for us through the life, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Read this scripture and understand we are free from sin, period. Sin is of the devil. Righteousness is of God, given to us as a gift, through belief alone in Christ.

1 John 3:5-9
“And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”

After being born of God, we are converted from a sinner into a child of God. The sinner is reckoned by God to be crucified with Christ. Child of God is reckoned by God to be alive in Christ, under grace, not under law. Where there is no law, there is no sin. “Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.” Romans 4:8. We are blessed!

Hello, joaniemarie,
The site you got your quotes from apparently believes in a doctrine called hypergrace, because it has this advertising pic.

The site's name is https://escapetoreality.org/2014/06/03/1-john-1v9-the-right-question/, just in case I need to prove it to somebody.
I posted a comment on the site, and it gave me this message: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Normally, I don't think anything about moderating a comment section, until I noticed that about 96% of the comments were favorable, and no comment with any clout against the topic was there. It's easy to "stack the deck" when you have total control of what's being said on your site. He could have easily wrote those comments himself.

 

[Speak2Me]

I fail to see the point. You are correlating God's forgiveness with His chastisement, but God's word says that we are forgiven because of Jesus and His bloodshed, not God's chastening. I take no issue with God building character in us, and righteousness. What is ironic here? Please remain cordial.

God chastens us to force us to face our sin and repent.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

John 1:17

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]For while the Law was given through Moses, grace ([SUP][a][/SUP]unearned, undeserved favor and spiritual blessing) and truth came through Jesus Christ.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]That is, the law was given to us through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

The law showed them their faults but It couldn’t save them because of the weakness of their flesh they were all coming short of the glory of GOD.JESUS magnified the law to the TRUTH,I’m talking about the Inward man.The Pharisees were not sinning on the outside but on the Inside they were doing the same thing as the gentiles.

Only GOD can clean the Inside.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).

Isn’t that scripture talking about Grace,the reason I ask Is because under law If you offended the law and confess,wouldn’t that person still be stoned?

 

[MattforJesus]

If we sin what we have to be is sincere about turning away from that sin,and letting it go,and not wanting it,and God knows the heart.

If a person holds unto sin,and sins,and then repents,but hold unto it knowing they will do it later,is not turning away from sin,and in that circumstance the Bible says there is no more sacrifice for sin,for God will not take away what a person holds unto.

We cannot hold unto sin,and it be forgiven,for it is only forgiven if we turn away from sin,and let it go,and do not want it,and God knows the heart.

The Bible says God is not mocked for whatever a person sows that will they reap,do not be deceived.

And another,blessed is the person that endures temptation,they do not sin,for they shall receive a crown of life given to all people who love Christ.

The Bible speaks of people that hold unto sin,and think they are right with God,but He said they are not right with Him.

 

[joaniemarie]

Hello, joaniemarie,
The site you got your quotes from apparently believes in a doctrine called hypergrace, because it has this advertising pic.


The site's name is https://escapetoreality.org/2014/06/03/1-john-1v9-the-right-question/, just in case I need to prove it to somebody.
I posted a comment on the site, and it gave me this message: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Normally, I don't think anything about moderating a comment section, until I noticed that about 96% of the comments were favorable, and no comment with any clout against the topic was there. It's easy to "stack the deck" when you have total control of what's being said on your site. He could have easily wrote those comments himself.

I'm thankful to have access to and be able to visit many Christian sites and use many different commentaries not just this one. I am familiar with Paul Ellis's Bible teaching and do agree with much of what I've read from him. But there are some topics I don't agree with him on. My major disagreement he and I have would be the rapture of the church. I am of the Pre Trib rapture group. But those things are not issues that would cause me to break fellowship with him or anyone.

You can go to Andrew Wommacks website and he also has helpful Bible commentary that I enjoy using much like Paul Ellis. Again, i don't agree with all A. Wommack holds to but they are not anything to break fellowship over.

I prefer to discuss these matters using the Bible and commentary and not the easily misunderstood titles about grace that are given out to other brethren here when misunderstandings arise. We believers can and must do better than that.

 

[Miri]

What this young lady says! YES

Why is the fact that we are forgiven, mutually exclusive from admitting sin and saying sorry, and asking for strength to deny the sin next time?

Oh I like the young lady bit

 

[Miri]

In other words, sin confession doesn't save. Jesus does. While sin confession plays a part in sanctification through the means of transparency, it by no means supersedes the forgiveness we have through the shed blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins.

There are other elements as well, it prevents the devil from gaining a foot hold.
It prevents a break down of our relationship with Jesus.
It brings peace and harmony.
It makes us more attune that still small voice.
It prevents us getting ourselves into trouble and going astray.
It gives us a safe hiding place under the shadow of His wing.
It ensures we are fruitful.

All bible verses paraphrased by me.

Think about a marriage, two people declare their love for each other and get
married. For that marriage to work, the word sorry has to be used a lot. It doesn’t
mean they are not married if one person does something wrong but that wrong
has to be realised and put right.

Most of the New Testament and part of Revelations comprises of letters to churches,
to christians, giving instructions about a new way of life. They weren’t written to
non Christians, sometimes hard words had to be said to get people back on track.

We should be thankful that Father God cares enough to spend time disciplining and
convicting us. It’s what a good Father does, its a sign of His love and that we belong
to His family. Wow just imagine if we all were able to think of conviction in that way
all the time, that it was a sign and assurance of belonging to a loving God. We would
all instantly go running back to the Father, He wouldn’t need to keep fetching us.

 

[Issachar92]

Have we decided yet on if John's letters were to Christians or gnostics? What an utter mystery this is

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Isn’t that scripture talking about Grace,the reason I ask Is because under law If you offended the law and confess,wouldn’t that person still be stoned?

The Book Proverbs is the Wisdom of God. Many misunderstand this Book, thinking it is the Wisdom of Solomon. It isn't! Solomon wrote about 3,000 proverbs. Over 2,000 of these proverbs, as wise and witty as they may have been, were not included in the Canon of scripture. As such, the Lord did not deem them worthy of man's pursuit, and they were ignored. Even though Solomon was the wisest man who ever lived, the Lord did not consider his words important enough to be of help.

Only God's Words are important enough to provide the suitable help which makes up this great Book. It is the road map for life and the blueprint for eternity. It is written in very simple form. The Lord intended for it to be easily grasped and understood.

The Hebrew word "proverbs" is formed from the verb to "rule," or "govern." This means that "Proverbs" is a wisdom-holder, and its purpose is to rule with its heavenly light man's conduct in the Earth.

JSM

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Isn’t that scripture talking about Grace,the reason I ask Is because under law If you offended the law and confess,wouldn’t that person still be stoned?

To answer your question please read Josh. Chpt. 7 when Achan covered his transgressions.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Hello, joaniemarie,
The site you got your quotes from apparently believes in a doctrine called hypergrace, because it has this advertising pic.

The site's name is https://escapetoreality.org/2014/06/03/1-john-1v9-the-right-question/, just in case I need to prove it to somebody.
I posted a comment on the site, and it gave me this message: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Normally, I don't think anything about moderating a comment section, until I noticed that about 96% of the comments were favorable, and no comment with any clout against the topic was there. It's easy to "stack the deck" when you have total control of what's being said on your site. He could have easily wrote those comments himself.

you called it

this constant quoting from Ellis and Price indicates agreement with a false gospel

this thread illustrates some very difficult spiritual twisting, but both Prince and Ellis are adept at it, with Ellis being the favorite because his twisting is quite a bit more subtle

I think that when someone starts to agree with this false gospel, their thinking changes and then those who do not agree, are called religious and said to have a 'religious mindset'

so up to here with reading about how all the rest of us have a

'religious mindset'

it's become a favorite expression around here for some people who use copy/paste like the rest of us try to use scripture

 

[7seasrekeyed]

There are other elements as well, it prevents the devil from gaining a foot hold.
It prevents a break down of our relationship with Jesus.
It brings peace and harmony.
It makes us more attune that still small voice.
It prevents us getting ourselves into trouble and going astray.
It gives us a safe hiding place under the shadow of His wing.
It ensures we are fruitful.

All bible verses paraphrased by me.

Think about a marriage, two people declare their love for each other and get
married. For that marriage to work, the word sorry has to be used a lot. It doesn’t
mean they are not married if one person does something wrong but that wrong
has to be realised and put right.

Most of the New Testament and part of Revelations comprises of letters to churches,
to christians, giving instructions about a new way of life. They weren’t written to
non Christians, sometimes hard words had to be said to get people back on track.

We should be thankful that Father God cares enough to spend time disciplining and
convicting us. It’s what a good Father does, its a sign of His love and that we belong
to His family. Wow just imagine if we all were able to think of conviction in that way
all the time, that it was a sign and assurance of belonging to a loving God. We would
all instantly go running back to the Father, He wouldn’t need to keep fetching us.

sadly cannot rep this at the moment, but someone should!

 

[Bogadile]

you called it

this constant quoting from Ellis and Price indicates agreement with a false gospel

this thread illustrates some very difficult spiritual twisting, but both Prince and Ellis are adept at it, with Ellis being the favorite because his twisting is quite a bit more subtle

I think that when someone starts to agree with this false gospel, their thinking changes and then those who do not agree, are called religious and said to have a 'religious mindset'

so up to here with reading about how all the rest of us have a

'religious mindset'

it's become a favorite expression around here for some people who use copy/paste like the rest of us try to use scripture

I must admit, they are very talented in their job of taking a simple straight forward Scripture and turning it on its head.
It is a calming message indeed. I wish it was true.

 

[MarcR]

In other words, sin confession doesn't save. Jesus does. While sin confession plays a part in sanctification through the means of transparency, it by no means supersedes the forgiveness we have through the shed blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins.

You've got it!

 

[BillG]

sadly cannot rep this at the moment, but someone should!

Consider it done

 

[MarcR]

I understand that I too hold the burden of proof of having to deal with verses that seem contradictory. Such as the Lord's prayer and asking God to forgive us as we forgive the trespasses of others. I am simply pointing out the apparent contradiction, and maybe we can come to an understanding.

I might also add there does seem to be some legalistic notion here, a works-based mindset, to think that God will only forgive me if I forgive others, otherwise I am condemned. That doesn't sound like I am saved by grace through faith, it sounds like I am saved by my willingness to forgive others.

You, and all of us, are saved by grace alone through faith that is given to us.

The Holy Spirit works in each believer to will and to do His (Jesus') good pleasure.

As the Holy Spirit works in our lives, we will not only do what pleases God; but we will want to do so.

If you want to understand the word 'justified' look at your word processor.

Left justification aligns text with the left margin. Right justification aligns text with the right margin. Full justification pads spacing to align text with both margins. God's justification of believers aligns our will with His.

 

[Miri]

You, and all of us, are saved by grace alone through faith that is given to us.

The Holy Spirit works in each believer to will and to do His (Jesus') good pleasure.

As the Holy Spirit works in our lives, we will not only do what pleases God; but we will want to do so.

If you want to understand the word 'justified' look at your word processor.

Left justification aligns text with the left margin. Right justification aligns text with the right margin. Full justification pads spacing to align text with both margins. God's justification of believers aligns our will with His.

Cool.

 

[BillG]

You, and all of us, are saved by grace alone through faith that is given to us.

The Holy Spirit works in each believer to will and to do His (Jesus') good pleasure.

As the Holy Spirit works in our lives, we will not only do what pleases God; but we will want to do so.

If you want to understand the word 'justified' look at your word processor.

Left justification aligns text with the left margin. Right justification aligns text with the right margin. Full justification pads spacing to align text with both margins. God's justification of believers aligns our will with His.

Its a shame there is not a clapping emoji.
Fatastic post.

What I find amazing and as you say it

”As The Holy Spirit works in our lives, we will not only do what pleases God; but we will want to do so.

This totally blows my mind.
Here we have the Holy Spirit working in us, continually revealing the will of God for us.
Even when we get it wrong he still chips away at us.
Tells us we got wrong, fess it up ask for help and trust in him.
Not only that he reminds us that we are not condemned, we are the beloved of the Father.
The purposes is to conform us to the image of Jesus.
God said of Jesus “This is my son with whom I am well pleased”

When we understand this, then we decrease and Jesus increases. Our will decreases and his will increases.

God says the same to us “You are my child with whom I am well pleased”
Even when we get it wrong and he knows our attitude is to grow.

Also let no one here forget that Jesus said

John 17:23
23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

Truly amazing.
If we could grasp just 1% of the love he has for us goodness knows how different we would be.

 

[Locutus]

So - did we get an answer yet?

Yes or No - simple enough question