SIN IS SIN

[Olivia_Rose]

I just posted this on my Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/slusherolivia/

This is a topic that really gets me going! I felt the need to share it here on CC, for everyone to read, especially those of you who consider yourselves to be Christian, yet think sin is okay, support sin and others in sin, or continue to sin with the excuse of "I'm human. It's natural to sin."

Quoted from my Instagram:

[h=1]⬆For all you Christians who support sin⬆

Man, if there's one thing that really gets me going, it's Christians in the Church proclaiming sin as okay and supporting the acts of sin. This really makes me want to pull my hair out haha. When Christ came and died for our SINS, He delivered us from the consequences of that said sin. God gave us the opportunity to hear the Truth, He who is the Truth, so we may reflect on the burdens of our wickedness. Our sin is so great- God became MAN, to be crucified on the cross. Because
THAT

is how dangerous sin is. How evil sin is. How heavy sin is. How burdensome sin is. How deathly, sin is.
Sin is death. Plain and simple. It is not from God, it is from the serpent. The Devil. The evil one. Sin exists, not because we are human beings, but because of the sly trickery of the Devil. Who allowed evil and good to coexist. And since that moment, we as humans, are born into sin inevitably.
When we become REBORN through Christ- we are no longer bound to that inevitable truth. Our truth is no longer found in flesh, but found in Spirit. This does NOT mean we are not tempted, tested, tried by sin. The world is sin, so because of this, existing on Earth is existing among sin.
When we find redemption, it is not an 'option' but a DUTY , a REQUIREMENT, to live a life as Christ would. How did Christ live? A life FREE OF SIN. He did not come and die so we were free TO sin. He came because we were FREELY SINNING. And the wages of that sin meant eternal death, something our great Father couldn't bare to hold. Just as much as we need Him, He needs His Children.
So when a person in the Church proclaims to be 'Christian' and supports sin in the world- it is blasphemy. They are not supporting God, Gods Word, but instead- supporting the Devil. Did Christ not say to leave the World, ways of the World, and come to Him? SUPPORTING SIN goes against that by multitudes. Remember it is not 'throwing stones' to defend the Word on Sin, it is defending Truth. Sin is sin.
1 Corinthians 5:12- 'For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? Do not ye JUDGE them that are WITHIN'
Yes, we are allowed to Judge Righteously, those in the CHURCH. [/h]
End Quote.

Sin is sin. Never forget the price of that sin that our Savior paid on the cross. If we are to leave the World, live as Christ would, how can ANY true Christian even begin to think sin is okay or just? They are blinded by false belief, tricked by ways of the World. Again, to clarify, if someone outside of the Church is sinning, who does not proclaim themselves as Christian, it is not our duty as Christians to judge that person or persons(s). That is God's duty to give those souls the opportunity to know Christ. And it is our place to show them by example, so they may see the good works we do, and want to follow the path of righteousness. They are NOT aware of sin. So we are not in the standing to judge them on that sin, for they don't even know they are sinning. And because of that, they cannot yet repent.

-BUT- it IS DEFINITELY our job as Christians to JUDGE righteously those in the CHURCH who proclaim sin as okay. Doing so in a firm knowledge of the Word, and in a patient- compassionate way as Christ would. Don't be lukewarm or extreme. Be as Christ was.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Well said. Amen!

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[valiant]

I just posted this on my Instagram page: https://www.instagram.com/slusherolivia/

This is a topic that really gets me going! I felt the need to share it here on CC, for everyone to read, especially those of you who consider yourselves to be Christian, yet think sin is okay, support sin and others in sin, or continue to sin with the excuse of "I'm human. It's natural to sin."

I do not think you will find many on here who say 'it is ok to sin'. But if you are saying that you do not sin you go against John who said, 'if we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us, --- if we say that we have not sinned we make God a liar,' (1 John 1.8-10). We hate sin but our flesh still draws us into sin.

how many of us obey Jesus command. 'you shall love the Lord your God with heart, soul, mind and strength'. Not one of us. And yet not to do so is sin, That is why Christ had to bear ALL our sin. We could not bear it ourselves even remotely

 

[Mitspa]

I do not think you will find many on here who say 'it is ok to sin'. But if you are saying that you do not sin you go against John who said, 'if we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us, --- if we say that we have not sinned we make God a liar,' (1 John 1.8-10). We hate sin but our flesh still draws us into sin.

how many of us obey Jesus command. 'you shall love the Lord your God with heart, soul, mind and strength'. Not one of us. And yet not to do so is sin, That is why Christ had to bear ALL our sin. We could not bear it ourselves even remotely

First..John goes on to explain. That a true christian will not continue in sin..second Jesus commands are kept when we walk in the spirit by faith and love.. not the law of Moses... and even if none of us could keep the bible standards ..that don't change the standards or this young ladies right to express those standards... the bible don't sat tell the truth when your perfect. . It says tell the truth all the time.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Romans 6:20-23
For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Mitspa]

It seems this site is being taken over by the "if it feels good do it "crowd ... and attack anyone that promotes biblical godliness as some kind of hateful hypocrite.

 

[valiant]

First..John goes on to explain. That a true christian will not continue in sin..second Jesus commands are kept when we walk in the spirit by faith and love.. not the law of Moses... and even if none of us could keep the bible standards ..that don't change the standards or this young ladies right to express those standards... the bible don't sat tell the truth when your perfect. . It says tell the truth all the time.

John says a Christian will not continue to sin in the same way. But he still says if we say we have not sinned we make God a liar. He knows that the Devil has 100000 sins to tempt us with.The young lady may express what she likes. But the truth must be also expressed. I am here to express the TRUTH,,

God will judge us by the law of Moses, which is but an expression of His eternal will (Rom 1-3)

 

[iwant2serve]

John says a Christian will not continue to sin in the same way. But he still says if we say we have not sinned we make God a liar. He knows that the Devil has 100000 sins to tempt us with.The young lady may express what she likes. But the truth must be also expressed. I am here to express the TRUTH,,

God will judge us by the law of Moses, which is but an expression of His eternal will (Rom 1-3)

Actually he is not saying that a believer cannot say they are without sin. In the context of if we say we have no sin refers to our need for a Savior. He says also I tell you these things that you do not sin, Yet if you do we have an advocate Jesus. No where in the Bible is states that we can continue with sin after being saved. Yet there are many passages warning us to stop sinning.

 

[Mitspa]

John says a Christian will not continue to sin in the same way. But he still says if we say we have not sinned we make God a liar. He knows that the Devil has 100000 sins to tempt us with.The young lady may express what she likes. But the truth must be also expressed. I am here to express the TRUTH,,


God will judge us by the law of Moses, which is but an expression of His eternal will (Rom 1-3)

What in the world do you mean "in the same way" ? No John makes clear that a true christians will not continue in sin..just as Paul taught and all the other epistles taught. .now if you have sin problems ..maybe you need to listen to this young lady instead or trying to shut her down with your made up version of the bible.

As far as being judged by the law of Moses ..if that's what you want God will grant it to you...but that's not the gospel.

 

[KJV1611]

What in the world do you mean "in the same way" ? No John makes clear that a true christians will not continue in sin..just as Paul taught and all the other epistles taught. .now if you have sin problems ..maybe you need to listen to this young lady instead or trying to shut her down with your made up version of the bible.

As far as being judged by the law of Moses ..if that's what you want God will grant it to you...but that's not the gospel.

What verse does John make it clear that a true Christian will not continue in sin?

 

[Olivia_Rose]

I do not think you will find many on here who say 'it is ok to sin'. But if you are saying that you do not sin you go against John who said, 'if we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us, --- if we say that we have not sinned we make God a liar,' (1 John 1.8-10). We hate sin but our flesh still draws us into sin.

how many of us obey Jesus command. 'you shall love the Lord your God with heart, soul, mind and strength'. Not one of us. And yet not to do so is sin, That is why Christ had to bear ALL our sin. We could not bear it ourselves even remotely

Not once did I make the claim that born again believers are without sin. Like I stated. We will always be tempted. Tested . and tried by sin. The point I am trying to make is once we are redeemed, it is our duty to repent from our past aggressions, our past sins, and our past naivety. And continue into the future free of sin. Meaning- striving our best to live as Christ did, and not be tempted by the Devil furthermore.

 

[valiant]

Actually he is not saying that a believer cannot say they are without sin. In the context of if we say we have no sin refers to our need for a Savior. He says also I tell you these things that you do not sin, Yet if you do we have an advocate Jesus. No where in the Bible is states that we can continue with sin after being saved. Yet there are many passages warning us to stop sinning.

No. Wrong. He says it in the context of continuing to walk in the light (v 7), and walking means continuance. We continually need the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from all sin. I know of no believer who loves GOD with heart, soul mind and strength , so EVERY believer is continually a sinner,

The bible makes perfectly clear that every believer continues to sin. That is why we need to have Christ's righteousness. That alone will save us from the searching eye of the Law,

 

[valiant]

What in the world do you mean "in the same way" ? No John makes clear that a true christians will not continue in sin..just as Paul taught and all the other epistles taught. .now if you have sin problems ..maybe you need to listen to this young lady instead or trying to shut her down with your made up version of the bible.

As far as being judged by the law of Moses ..if that's what you want God will grant it to you...but that's not the gospel.

I pray the God will open your eyes to the fact that you are trying to be justified partly by your works,

I know that I must face the searchlight of God law, and that my only hope lies in the fact that I am justified by His grace. It is His blood that justifies me and saves me from wrath. And once I am justified it is for ever (Rom 3-5). THAT is the Gospel

 

[Brainfreeze]

I pray the God will open your eyes to the fact that you are trying to be justified partly by your works,

I know that I must face the searchlight of God law, and that my only hope lies in the fact that I am justified by His grace. It is His blood that justifies me and saves me from wrath. And once I am justified it is for ever (Rom 3-5). THAT is the Gospel

You or we ... Are dead, He who lives in us will do works, but those are not of our own, they are His.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Where is the OP advocating a doctrine of sinless perfection? I think we all know the world doesn't want to hear about sin, though, which includes the world within church walls.

Those advocating for sin are probably not really born again of the Holy Spirit. There's a fake Christian, still of the world. There are only the born again, and the not born again, the latter of a head faith, if at all, the lip-service "Christian" who's never really repented. Born again or not of the Holy Spirit, a new creature or not: this is the only issue. It's not a complex doctrinal issue, rather receiving the basic truth. There is only one doctrine of salvation: Christ crucified, repentance and faith towards Jesus Christ, towards God. Repentance inherently means to come to agreement with God over the issues.

The problem is wrapped up in that one word, repentance, that God is not mocked, that He does not give the Holy Spirit to the unrepentant, Hebrews 4:12, ones who've not changed their minds and come to agreement with God by Holy Spirit conviction of their sin, agreement as to their lost state and desperate need of salvation, who've not come to agree with God the things of the self and world they were loving are repugnant and evil. God isn't mocked, doesn't give the new birth to lip-service people with the demons' confession, James 2:19, friends of the world who don't even agree with Him over their sin and evil! James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

What so-called churches that tickle ears, as well as the devil, hate, tooth and nail, is the necessity of repentance preached, the whole gospel of sin and the consequences of eternal damnation and hell to pay, if one has not humbly repented at the foot of the cross and become a new creature, born again of the Holy Spirit, the need to be a no-nonsense believer who worships God in spirit and in truth. To the mega churches, this is bad for business, as people want to hang on to their sin, John 3:18-21, want to hang on to the world, the flesh and the devil, and for the devil it leaves seats empty in hell. Many in churches are alright with sin, because they're not saved. It's just that simple.

This doesn't mean we're ever perfect in the flesh, none of us perfect this side of glory, none without sin in our corruptible state. If perfection were possible, we'd not need a Savior. But a Christian continue as a practicing sinner, because they see the blood of Christ and grace as cheap, because of easy believism? Really a Christian? I think not. They'll one day be going, "Lord, Lord, did we not go to church? Did we not sing in the choir?" You know the rest.

This is also why there are so many warnings in scripture teachings to the congregation, they not telling the truly saved they can lose their salvation, but admonitions to those on the fence, and the tares among the wheat all pastors know are in their congregations. Hell will be full of fake Christians, who never really repented.

Hey! I just came up with a new saying: "Easy believism is sleazy believism." How about that, a poet and didn't know it... alright, you still don't know it, but you BDF wiseacres can just keep that to yourself... Shakespeare t'weren't born in a day...

Galatians 6:7-8 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

 

[BenFTW]

Basically a call to holy living. I don't see why anyone would be opposed to your message. I would caution you on the solution or remedy you offer to get people to stop sinning, however. Striving in the flesh towards a concept of morality is not how we get victory over sin. God is the one who sanctifies us, and in part, this is accomplished through a renewal of the mind.

VVhat is the truth that we are renewing our minds to? VVe are born again, dead to sin and alive unto God. Sin doesn't have any power over a person who has died, which is why we died with Christ and rose with Him, symbolically represented in our baptism. VVe are new creations. As scripture says, "that you might be the righteousness of God." VVhen we sin it goes contrary to our new identity in Christ. This is why the word of God says, "Be holy as I am holy." It is a matter of being, of identity.

Nice message on letting people know of the victory that Christ has purchased for us. "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under grace."

 

[Olivia_Rose]

Basically a call to holy living. I don't see why anyone would be opposed to your message. I would caution you on the solution or remedy you offer to get people to stop sinning, however. Striving in the flesh towards a concept of morality is not how we get victory over sin. God is the one who sanctifies us, and in part, this is accomplished through a renewal of the mind.

VVhat is the truth that we are renewing our minds to? VVe are born again, dead to sin and alive unto God. Sin doesn't have any power over a person who has died, which is why we died with Christ and rose with Him, symbolically represented in our baptism. VVe are new creations. As scripture says, "that you might be the righteousness of God." VVhen we sin it goes contrary to our new identity in Christ. This is why the word of God says, "Be holy as I am holy." It is a matter of being, of identity.

Nice message on letting people know of the victory that Christ has purchased for us. "Sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under the law but under grace."

Absolutely! I didn't mean striving is the solution to sin. I was trying to explain what we need to do once God has gifted us the Holy Spirit. When we are given the Holy Spirit, and are made new, our minds our made anew as well. We will be dead to ways of the World, and in true redemption, be free of needing to fulfill sin. Gods wisdom through His Son, His Word, and the Holy Spirit is the solution to sin. Striving for a Christ like existence is the stepping stones once saved.

 

[JesusIsAll]

You or we ... Are dead, He who lives in us will do works, but those are not of our own, they are His.

The basic premise, that we've nothing inherently right about us, save Christ in us, is true, and that our flesh is dead. On the other hand, we're not robots, do have a responsibility to walk in the light of Christ, live by the Spirit, put on the whole armor of God, resist evil, it also true that our walk with God involves a cooperative effort on our parts to discipline ourselves in the things of God. John spoke of sin unto death we're not to even pray for, 1 John 5:16, and Hebrews 12 speaks to the active discipline of the Lord. The Bible doesn't teach we become robotically sanctified, in the progressive sense. Such notions you see here and there are, what, a doctrine of "easy walk" or something, this after we "easy believe?" (Not saying you said that, this only something that came to mind, tangential to your comment and seeing what some others post here and there, as if we're to rest in being happy we're the Lord's nasty little, but saved, creatures, rejoicing that God has put on opaque glasses to our sin. One must only suppose He peeks over the rims here and there, to get with Hebrews 12? What part of God is not mocked do some people not understand?)

 

[royalscot]

the point, did a law save you. or a saviour.

when or how did you, earn or maintain a righteousness or rite standing, before god. by your own deeds or works. etc
(.2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith Galatians 3: By Faith, or by Works of the Law?)

For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life John 3



The Righteousness of God Through Faith
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it---22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith.Romans 3

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose Galatians 2

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3: By Faith, or by Works of the Law?

Galatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slave........4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace etc


Romans 8: Life in the Spirit
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death Romans 8: Life in the Spirit

.27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.30 I and the Father are one."
John 10: I Am the Good Shepherd

 

[Brainfreeze]

The basic premise, that we've nothing inherently right about us, save Christ in us, is true, and that our flesh is dead. On the other hand, we're not robots, do have a responsibility to walk in the light of Christ, live by the Spirit, put on the whole armor of God, resist evil, it also true that our walk with God involves a cooperative effort on our parts to discipline ourselves in the things of God. John spoke of sin unto death we're not to even pray for, 1 John 5:16, and Hebrews 12 speaks to the active discipline of the Lord. The Bible doesn't teach we become robotically sanctified, in the progressive sense. Such notions you see here and there are, what, a doctrine of "easy walk" or something, this after we "easy believe?" (Not saying you said that, this only something that came to mind, tangential to your comment and seeing what some others post here and there, as if we're to rest in being happy we're the Lord's nasty little, but saved, creatures, rejoicing that God has put on opaque glasses to our sin. One must only suppose He peeks over the rims here and there, to get with Hebrews 12? What part of God is not mocked do some people not understand?)

Paul said it clearly here in Galatians 2:20 ... I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ live in me

Now how are you a robot? Do you know what the future holds? Did I know I would be here talking to you about this now? .. No, no robots.. Free will that chooses to align with Gods will does not make us robots, if faith/belief were not necessary then we'd be robots.