Since Jesus is God, why doesnt the Bible delve into that fact?

[Stratocaster]

Today we put a lot of emphasis on the fact that Jesus is God, but throughout the NT it is barely mentioned, and always in a roundabout way. More often, Jesus is referred to as Gods son. You'd think they would emphasize this fact more or mention it more often, since the average non-Jewish reader could go through the whole NT and not even consider it was saying Jesus is God. It's a really significant thing, so why is it BARELY mentioned? And why is it never said directly (like if a verse said "Christ, who is God, died for our sins etc...")?

I'd like to hear your thoughts/knowledge on this.

 

[Adrianv125]

John 8:58 (New King James Version)

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.

John 1:1-4 (New King James Version)

John 1

The Eternal Word

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Matthew 3:16-17

16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He[a] saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased

mark 2:5-12

5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.”
6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 7 “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
8 But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, “Why do you reason about these things in your hearts? 9 Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’? 10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic, 11 “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” 12 Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.”
6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 7 “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
8 But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, “Why do you reason about these things in your hearts? 9 Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’? 10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic, 11 “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” 12 Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!

Jesus said I AM, which was the same phrase LORD God used when He spoke to moses to tell the people. John 1 is quite obvious. He has the power to forgive sins, something only God can do. When He was baptized you could clearly see the trinity revealed. The Father, Holy Spirit and Jesus, who all are God in one. I would suggest you read the whole book of colossians.

God Bless you

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

Romans 9:5
"5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen."

Romans says Jesus is the eternally blessed God.

Titus 2:11, 13
"11...adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in all things...13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"

Titus says Jesus is both God and Savior.

Philipians 2:5, 6
5 "...Christ Jesus, 6 ...did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,"

Philipians says that Jesus was equal with God

It it really that hard to see??? These are only a few scriptures that put it plainly, but there are plenty more. Even one would be enough. Even if God said it once...it's still true.

 

[livingbygrace]

Today we put a lot of emphasis on the fact that Jesus is God, but throughout the NT it is barely mentioned, and always in a roundabout way. More often, Jesus is referred to as Gods son. You'd think they would emphasize this fact more or mention it more often, since the average non-Jewish reader could go through the whole NT and not even consider it was saying Jesus is God. It's a really significant thing, so why is it BARELY mentioned? And why is it never said directly (like if a verse said "Christ, who is God, died for our sins etc...")?

I'd like to hear your thoughts/knowledge on this.

In other words, something that according to many is neccessary to be believed to have eternal life is barely mentioned in the NT, and many would say. not at all

For example

Before Abraham was I Am

Is Jesus saying he is God Himself in those verses?

Who appeared to Moses in the Burning bush? In my Bible it says the angel of the Lord appeared to him
There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush
Ex 3:2

He (Moses) was sent to be their ruler and deliverer by God Himself through the angel who appeared to him in the bush
Acts 7:35

 

[journey41]

Today we put a lot of emphasis on the fact that Jesus is God, but throughout the NT it is barely mentioned, and always in a roundabout way. More often, Jesus is referred to as Gods son. You'd think they would emphasize this fact more or mention it more often, since the average non-Jewish reader could go through the whole NT and not even consider it was saying Jesus is God. It's a really significant thing, so why is it BARELY mentioned? And why is it never said directly (like if a verse said "Christ, who is God, died for our sins etc...")?

I'd like to hear your thoughts/knowledge on this.

[/QUOTE]Your a smart kid. Keep asking questions like this and search. You will get your answer.

You are correct. Numerous times it mentions that Jesus is the son of God. It is not a mystery. God wants us to know who we are worshiping & not be confused about it. He couldn't make it any plainer than that. Jesus is also the Word of God made flesh. Not God made flesh, but his Word made flesh. So everything that Jesus speaks, is God speaking through him. Jesus kept telling us that. Thats why when Jesus says "before Abraham was I am", he is telling the truth. No. 1. because it is God speaking through him, which people cannot understand, and no. 2. If Jesus is the Word of God then he was always there in the beginning with God. He was only spirit then (Gods word) and God made his Word become flesh, and that word was given a new name because it took on a different form. The name now of Gods word is Jesus Christ. His son. Born of the will of God, and given his own identity and authority. We can relate easier now to him because he was made flesh and dwelt with us and could feel the things we go through like pain, suffering etc and conquered the flesh to show us it could be done as an example and that we are not worshiping a hypocrite, but one that is without sin and most holy & honourable.

And now Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God in heaven. So in other words, if he was God, then he would be sitting on Gods throne and not next to him.

I hope this makes sense to you. Keep using that brain God gave you. It's not so complicated but simple. God bless.

 

[livingbygrace]

[/QUOTE]Your a smart kid. Keep asking questions like this and search. You will get your answer.

You are correct. Numerous times it mentions that Jesus is the son of God. It is not a mystery. God wants us to know who we are worshiping & not be confused about it. He couldn't make it any plainer than that. Jesus is also the Word of God made flesh. Not God made flesh, but his Word made flesh. So everything that Jesus speaks, is God speaking through him. Jesus kept telling us that. Thats why when Jesus says "before Abraham was I am", he is telling the truth. No. 1. because it is God speaking through him, which people cannot understand, and no. 2. If Jesus is the Word of God then he was always there in the beginning with God. He was only spirit then (Gods word) and God made his Word become flesh, and that word was given a new name because it took on a different form. The name now of Gods word is Jesus Christ. His son. Born of the will of God, and given his own identity and authority. We can relate easier now to him because he was made flesh and dwelt with us and could feel the things we go through like pain, suffering etc and conquered the flesh to show us it could be done as an example and that we are not worshiping a hypocrite, but one that is without sin and most holy & honourable.

And now Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God in heaven. So in other words, if he was God, then he would be sitting on Gods throne and not next to him.

I hope this makes sense to you. Keep using that brain God gave you. It's not so complicated but simple. God bless.

A hearty Amen to this post

 

[Spiritual_Plague]

Journey,

You are mistaken on your interpretation of John 1:1,14 and here's why:

1 Timothy 3:16
16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

This scripture says that God was shown in the flesh (Who was He shown in the flesh as??? Jesus).

Acts 20:28
28 "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood."

This scripture says that God shed His own blood and purchased the Church (God shed His own blood??? Yes, God came in the flesh and shed His blood as Jesus)

So what does John 1:1,14 really mean?? Well, look at who wrote it (John) and look at what He said is Jesus' name is in Revelation 19:13

Revelation 19:13
13 "He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God."

So now that you understand these scriptures and that "The Word" in John 1:1,14 is Jesus' name, and that God did show Himself in the flesh and shed His blood just as the scriptures say, you can now praise God our savior- Jesus Christ.

I hope this helped both you and Stratocaster!

 

[livingbygrace]

Today we put a lot of emphasis on the fact that Jesus is God, but throughout the NT it is barely mentioned, and always in a roundabout way. More often, Jesus is referred to as Gods son. You'd think they would emphasize this fact more or mention it more often, since the average non-Jewish reader could go through the whole NT and not even consider it was saying Jesus is God. It's a really significant thing, so why is it BARELY mentioned? And why is it never said directly (like if a verse said "Christ, who is God, died for our sins etc...")?

I'd like to hear your thoughts/knowledge on this.

Can I ask you?

Does your minister preach plainly and continuously from the pulpit that unless a person believes Christ is God Himself they can have no eternal life?

For if eternal life hinged on such a belief any church that believed it to be so would surely be duty bound to plainly and continuously preach something on which they believed eternal life hinged.

I only ask this because I went to Trinitarian churches for thirty years. I never once heard it said from the pulpit that unless a person believes Christ is God Himself they can have no eternal life. So I guess those churches did not believe such a belief to be true, otherwise they would have had to plainly preach it from the pulpit, would you agree?

 

[Scotth1960]

Today we put a lot of emphasis on the fact that Jesus is God, but throughout the NT it is barely mentioned, and always in a roundabout way. More often, Jesus is referred to as Gods son. You'd think they would emphasize this fact more or mention it more often, since the average non-Jewish reader could go through the whole NT and not even consider it was saying Jesus is God. It's a really significant thing, so why is it BARELY mentioned? And why is it never said directly (like if a verse said "Christ, who is God, died for our sins etc...")?

I'd like to hear your thoughts/knowledge on this.

Friend, Jesus is God. The Bible Says So. John 1:1, John 3:16, and so on.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; the same was in the beginning with God." "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only-begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life." In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[journey41]

Journey,

You are mistaken on your interpretation of John 1:1,14 and here's why:

1 Timothy 3:16
16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Of course God was manifested in the flesh. Jesus is the express image of his father. Like a mirror. Whatever you see the son do, is a reflection of the father. Jesus always proclaimed his Father. He was the word of God and Gods word was in him. This is a manifestation of God, but God was not made flesh. It is the Word that was made flesh.

This scripture says that God was shown in the flesh (Who was He shown in the flesh as??? Jesus).

Acts 20:28
28 "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood."

This scripture says that God shed His own blood and purchased the Church (God shed His own blood??? Yes, God came in the flesh and shed His blood as Jesus)

Jesus purchased with his own blood. This does not say God did. You are saying that your God can die?

So what does John 1:1,14 really mean?? Well, look at who wrote it (John) and look at what He said is Jesus' name is in Revelation 19:13

It says in John 1:14 And the WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the FATHER, full of grace and truth.

This is saying what I am saying. The Word was made flesh, not God.

Revelation 19:13
13 "He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God."

Exactly. Jesus is the WORD of GOD.

So now that you understand these scriptures and that "The Word" in John 1:1,14 is Jesus' name, and that God did show Himself in the flesh and shed His blood just as the scriptures say, you can now praise God our savior- Jesus Christ.

I cannot agree with what you are saying. It may make sense to you, but is only confusion to me.

If Jesus is the image of God, then how can he be God? Jesus said he was the son of God. If he was really God, he would be lying, saying he is the son. And if God died on the cross then you worship a God that can die. The world was without a God for 3 days? God was in the tomb for 3 days, dead? Do you really believe this? You are putting down God without realising it. In my opinion this is very bad to tell people this. Obviously it is a mystery to you and others at the moment, but wont be a mystery in the future.

My God cannot die.
My regards to you and may God bless.

 

[Gentile]

Jesus gave the disciple Peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven when he declared by revelation that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Jesus will do the same for anyone to whom the Father reveals this mystery.

And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.(Matthew 16:16–18)

 

[Gentile]

Adrianv125
The Eternal Word

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.


That say's it all for me...If you are Seed, it will be revealed,.....BUT IF YOUR NOT....WOOOOOOOWW!!!!

GOD BLESS.

 

[Shwagga]

Today we put a lot of emphasis on the fact that Jesus is God, but throughout the NT it is barely mentioned, and always in a roundabout way. More often, Jesus is referred to as Gods son. You'd think they would emphasize this fact more or mention it more often, since the average non-Jewish reader could go through the whole NT and not even consider it was saying Jesus is God. It's a really significant thing, so why is it BARELY mentioned? And why is it never said directly (like if a verse said "Christ, who is God, died for our sins etc...")?

I'd like to hear your thoughts/knowledge on this.

John 1:1 "...and the Word was God."

John 1:18 "...the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father..."

Romans 9:5 "...and from whom is the Messiah according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen."

Titus 2:13 "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, the Messiah Jesus"

Those verses look pretty clear and explicit to me.

 

[resurrection33]

Today we put a lot of emphasis on the fact that Jesus is God, but throughout the NT it is barely mentioned, and always in a roundabout way. More often, Jesus is referred to as Gods son. You'd think they would emphasize this fact more or mention it more often, since the average non-Jewish reader could go through the whole NT and not even consider it was saying Jesus is God. It's a really significant thing, so why is it BARELY mentioned? And why is it never said directly (like if a verse said "Christ, who is God, died for our sins etc...")?

I'd like to hear your thoughts/knowledge on this.

God was more than just Jesus. Jesus was just the physical manifestation of God. God continued to be God, even as he walked the earth as Jesus. That is what I believe.

 

[Red33]

Of course God was manifested in the flesh. Jesus is the express image of his father. Like a mirror. Whatever you see the son do, is a reflection of the father. Jesus always proclaimed his Father. He was the word of God and Gods word was in him. This is a manifestation of God, but God was not made flesh. It is the Word that was made flesh.

This scripture says that God was shown in the flesh (Who was He shown in the flesh as??? Jesus).


Jesus purchased with his own blood. This does not say God did. You are saying that your God can die?

It says in John 1:14 And the WORD was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the FATHER, full of grace and truth.

This is saying what I am saying. The Word was made flesh, not God.


Exactly. Jesus is the WORD of GOD.

I cannot agree with what you are saying. It may make sense to you, but is only confusion to me.

If Jesus is the image of God, then how can he be God? Jesus said he was the son of God. If he was really God, he would be lying, saying he is the son. And if God died on the cross then you worship a God that can die. The world was without a God for 3 days? God was in the tomb for 3 days, dead? Do you really believe this? You are putting down God without realising it. In my opinion this is very bad to tell people this. Obviously it is a mystery to you and others at the moment, but wont be a mystery in the future.

My God cannot die.
My regards to you and may God bless.

It is amazing to me that you and others do not realize that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh (1Tim 3:16). When He was ready to die on the cross He commended His spirit into the hands of God (Lk 23:46), His physical body was laid in the tomb (Lk 23:55, 24:3 sepulchre / tomb), but He (His soul) went to the Paradise side of Hades (Lk 23:43) and after three days was resurrected in His physical body with His soul from the grave (Lk 24:46) and appeared unto many (Lk 24:16-50) before He ascended to heaven (Lk 24:51).

 

[trust_in_the_name]

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)

9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. (2 John 9)

 

[Stratocaster]

John 8:58 (New King James Version)

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.

mark 2:5-12

5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.”
6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 7 “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
8 But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, “Why do you reason about these things in your hearts? 9 Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’? 10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic, 11 “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” 12 Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!5 When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven you.”
6 And some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, 7 “Why does this Man speak blasphemies like this? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
8 But immediately, when Jesus perceived in His spirit that they reasoned thus within themselves, He said to them, “Why do you reason about these things in your hearts? 9 Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Arise, take up your bed and walk’? 10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic, 11 “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” 12 Immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went out in the presence of them all, so that all were amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!

God Bless you

I've heard the I AM argument quite a bit, and logically it doesn't make sense to me that Jesus would make a claim to be God in that way. Again, like I said before, it's very roundabout. I am? I am what? To the non-Jewish reader, this doesn't say anything.

In this passage in Mark, it seems more like Jesus is bringing up how different Messiahship is from what people expected. The Messiah, like God, can forgive sins. Again, if this is Jesus claiming to be God, it's very roundabout.

Romans 9:5
"5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen."

Romans says Jesus is the eternally blessed God.

Titus 2:11, 13
"11...adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in all things...13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"

Philipians 2:5, 6
5 "...Christ Jesus, 6 ...did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,"

Philipians says that Jesus was equal with God

I checked out the verse in Romans. The more literal translation of it is that Christ is "God Blessed" rather than "Eternally blessed God".

In Philippians, it looks like it could be saying that both God and our Savior Christ Jesus will appear. It doesn't say Savior and God, but God and Savior.

And when it talks about Christ being equal with God, that could be considered symbolism for the fact that, in the sense that neither God nor Christ had ever sinned, and them the only two beings who have done so, they are equal in that respect.

Journey,

You are mistaken on your interpretation of John 1:1,14 and here's why:

1 Timothy 3:16
16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Acts 20:28
28 "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood."

Revelation 19:13
13 "He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God."

In Timothy, that could be viewed as symbolism for the fact that Christ was Godly in every way.

In Acts, it could be referring to the fact that Christ belongs to God (being His son). So in that respect, He purchased us with His blood (blood that was rightfully His).

In Revelation, it's just saying the Word of God, clearly symbolism.


Any of these passages could be saying Jesus is God, but I'm saying that it's not really that straight-forward or obvious. My thoughts are that the implications of Jesus being God are so great that I'm wondering why it isn't mentioned more clearly and consistently? It says all over that Jesus is God's son; the Bible makes that very clear. So why does the divinity of Christ seem to be hidden in little nooks and crannies throughout the NT?

 

[Crazy4GODword]

Today we put a lot of emphasis on the fact that Jesus is God, but throughout the NT it is barely mentioned, and always in a roundabout way. More often, Jesus is referred to as Gods son. You'd think they would emphasize this fact more or mention it more often, since the average non-Jewish reader could go through the whole NT and not even consider it was saying Jesus is God. It's a really significant thing, so why is it BARELY mentioned? And why is it never said directly (like if a verse said "Christ, who is God, died for our sins etc...")?

I'd like to hear your thoughts/knowledge on this.

Revelation 22:13....Jesus even claims He is God. (Proof ).....a ordinary man cannot say this fact....

and also remember where it is written John 15:18, Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

ETC Believe me.....

 

[livingbygrace]

Any of these passages could be saying Jesus is God, but I'm saying that it's not really that straight-forward or obvious. My thoughts are that the implications of Jesus being God are so great that I'm wondering why it isn't mentioned more clearly and consistently? It says all over that Jesus is God's son; the Bible makes that very clear. So why does the divinity of Christ seem to be hidden in little nooks and crannies throughout the NT?

You search for truth with a sincere heart, that is obvious. And you put the Bible before the opinions of men.

I will offer no further opinion on this at this time, but if you come before God in sincerity(as I am sure you do) he will bring you to see this subject as he wants you to, and to have peace concerning it.

Knowing truth in Christianity does not depend on reading up on various theologians/scholars. Neither are we to depend on men, if we are sincere and come before God in sincerity and love him he will give us truth, for the greatest theologian of them all lives in each and every Christian

But I wonder if sometimes we don't all lose sight somewhat of that glorious truth. Though I don't think you have lost sight of it as much as many do

God Bless

 

[Red33]

It matters very much whether Jesus Christ was God in the flesh because you have the divinity and diety of God within the person of Christ. If Jesus Christ was not fully God in the flesh then God (Emanuel) never came nor was He manifest in the likeness of sinful flesh, and as God, He never paid for the sins of man with His own blood nor justified in the Spirit (1Tim 3:16). That would mean that we are still in our sins just like the Pharisees who did not believe that He came from the Father (Jn 8:24). This makes the Son that was sent not equal with God nor the expressed image of His person. This makes the Son separate from the Father and one could be led to believe in the Son without the Father or in the Father without the Son when making the Father greater than the Son (Jn 14:1).

Why accept the Son when the Father is greater? Wouldn't it be wiser to believe and accept the greater and in doing that you would have to reject the lesser as the inferior? This is what the Son was trying to prevent in the minds and hearts of those that would accept or reject Him in (John chapters 8,14-17). Not only was He sent as the Son of God but was God in the flesh and to reject Him was to reject the Father who sent Him. To reject His works was to reject the works of the Father that He did and this work included going to the cross as the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the world. To separate the Father from the Son or make the Father greater and superior to the Son is to also separate and make the Spirit inferior to the Father and the Son, whom the Son sent to His disciples (Jn 15:16, 16:7).

Philip thought that the Father was greater than the Son and asked the Son to show him (them) the Father. Christ replied to Thomas and Philip and said this in (Jn 14:6-11) ...

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

When one, who is a sinner, asks of you to show them God, who created all things, that they may be reconciled to Him, who are you going to show them? Can you show them the Father without the Son and can you show them the Son without showing them the Father? The Son was sent by the Father and the Father was glorified in the Son (Jn 14:13).

Here is Jesus response when asked by the Pharisees 'where is the Father' in verse 19 of (Jn 8:13-25)...

19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

'IF YOU HAVE SEEN ME YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER', 'I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE' (Jn 14:9, Jn 10:30, 17:11)