SINLESS PERFECTIONISTS - DO YOU MEASURE UP AGAINST THE BIBLICAL DESCRIPTIONS OF SIN?

[Zmouth]

Even the apostle Paul did not claim to be perfect.

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

[SUP][7][/SUP] Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
[SUP][8][/SUP]Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
2 Timothy 2

If you are dead with him, then shall you also live with him?

[SUP][7][/SUP] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[SUP][8][/SUP] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Romans 6

 

[Nehemiah6]

We have a few on here who claim to be sinless, claim to keep the law and for sure all who admit they fail occasionally and sin for sure push a do as you please lifestyle because we believe in eternal security.............

As you can see from the poll results, no one is claiming to be sinless. So this OP has created a straw man. What should be more troubling is the false Hyper Grace teaching that Christians do not need to address their present sins.

 

[mailmandan]

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

[SUP][7][/SUP] Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
[SUP][8][/SUP]Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
2 Timothy 2

If you are dead with him, then shall you also live with him?

[SUP][7][/SUP] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[SUP][8][/SUP] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Romans 6

Positionally in Christ, yet practically, believers are not sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As you can see from the poll results, no one is claiming to be sinless. So this OP has created a straw man. What should be more troubling is the false Hyper Grace teaching that Christians do not need to address their present sins.

Back to the hypergrace nonsense.

Can you show a post from a hypergrace person who says that we should not take care of our personal sins?

 

[Magenta]

Back to the hypergrace nonsense.

Can you show a post from a hypergrace person who says that we should not take care of our personal sins?

Many of them are now banned. I recall a few who said people should not view themselves as sinners, once they have repented and believed. They would argue vociferously against such. Yet, how can we repent of present sins, if we do not see ourselves as sinners? And we have met some of the sinless perfectionists crowd. You have spoken to them yourself...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Many of them are now banned. I recall a few who said people should not view themselves as sinners, once they have repented and believed. They would argue vociferously against such. Yet, how can we repent of present sins, if we do not see ourselves as sinners? And we have met some of the sinless perfectionists crowd. You have spoken to them yourself...

I saw and agree, we should focus on our position in christ (as redeemed people not sinners) bit I also saw the same people say if we are struggling with any sin,. We need to take care of it.

and yes, we have had a few sinless here.. not sure if many of them are here still either

 

[lightbearer]

Positionally in Christ, yet practically, believers are not sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time.

Unless you are GOD you don't know what anyone is doing or has did.

 

[gb9]

Unless you are GOD you don't know what anyone is doing or has did.

well, since no one is sinless, we do not have to "know " except to " know " that no one is sinless.

 

[mailmandan]

Unless you are GOD you don't know what anyone is doing or has did.

God has made it clear in His Word that man is not sinless 100% of the time (Eccleastes 7:20: Romans 3:23: 1 John 1:8-10 etc..).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Unless you are GOD you don't know what anyone is doing or has did.

one does not have to know the sins people commit to know they still sin. And to know no one but Jesus was sinless.

all we have to do is see what scripture says about the subject. 1 John 1: 8 is a good start.

 

[Magenta]

Unless you are GOD you don't know what anyone is doing or has did.

I know you did commit a grammatical error

 

[Nehemiah6]

Back to the hypergrace nonsense.

Can you show a post from a hypergrace person who says that we should not take care of our personal sins?

Actually there are several threads with Joseph Prince nonsense, which teach that. Look them up.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Actually there are several threads with Joseph Prince nonsense, which teach that. Look them up.

I was involved with many of those threads, and have read JP’s sermons, and he does not teach that.

He teaches position in christ, and not to focus on sin, but on serving God. Yet paul says the same, seek after the things of the spirit.

yet JP also says if we have sin issues,we need to take care of them.

By the way, we are not supposed to be discussing this.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I was involved with many of those threads, and have read JP’s sermons, and he does not teach that.

That is really ironic, since I notice you put a like for this comment by Magenta, that essentially confirmed what I said and what you have just denied.

Many of them are now banned. I recall a few who said people should not view themselves as sinners, once they have repented and believed. They would argue vociferously against such. Yet, how can we repent of present sins, if we do not see ourselves as sinners?

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us."[/FONT]

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is really ironic, since I notice you put a like for this comment by Magenta, that essentially confirmed what I said and what you have just denied.

How ironic you highlighted where magnets spoke of people who claimed to be sinless. I hope you do not think she was talking about hypergrace there. They do not believe in sinless perfection.

 

[Hizikyah]

how can we even put people in these catagories?

hyper graces do/do not believein sinless perfection?

some do not as they beleive they may sin but no matter what no sin is accounted to them but washed away

Some do beleive there is nothign the can do can be called sin because they are "free from the Law" thus they are "sinless"

some beleive other things

those that beleive in obedience to YHWH Law do/do not beleive in sinless perfection?

some do, as I ahve heard some say they do not sin

some do not they believe the Law is to be obeyed and that man will sin but that is what the blood of Yahshua is for, to cleanse us and granbt us mercy

some beleive other things....

all this sterotyping is falsehood, it dehumanizes people making them easy targets and then others can place all the wrongs of said groupo they are sterotyped into upon said person...

each indivigual is a person with their own unique thoughts and beliefs.

 

[stillness]

Yes definatlely measure up to the biblical definition of sin. "I did not come for the righteous but for siners."

 

[dcontroversal]

As you can see from the poll results, no one is claiming to be sinless. So this OP has created a straw man. What should be more troubling is the false Hyper Grace teaching that Christians do not need to address their present sins.

If you think the first point.....I suggest glasses, learn how to read or take classes on English......!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Back to the hypergrace nonsense.

Can you show a post from a hypergrace person who says that we should not take care of our personal sins?

Funny.....both his points contain used straw from the cow pen........!!