So apparently I am no longer a Christian, because I am Intersex

[Ariel82]

"So apparently I am no longer a Christian, because I am Intersex" nope its cuz you worship a different god(dess) than the one found in the BIBLE who tells people that homosexuality is a sin.

You may have been a nominal Christian all your life but God knows your heart and if you are willing to forsake all for Him or if you are double-minded and love the world more.

at first I thought you meant you had XXY chromosomes when you said you were intersex,
now I see it is just some pseudoscience that a supposed doctor who is willing to help you change your physical appearance has feed you.

sidenote: both male and females make testosterone and estrogen, just the levels are different. in addition there are other chemicals. the video you posted was kind of pitiful in that she/he thinks that not being able to have babies is a good thing.

 

[Strickalator]

at first I thought you meant you had XXY chromosomes when you said you were intersex,
now I see it is just some pseudoscience that a supposed doctor who is willing to help you change your physical appearance has feed you.

What are you talking about? There are more than just xxy intersex conditions, thats klienfelters syndrome

please wikipedia intersex

or go to

What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America
Intersex Society of North America | A world free of shame, secrecy, and unwanted genital surgery

nope its cuz you worship a different god(dess) than the one found in the BIBLE who tells people that homosexuality is a sin.

No i do not, I reject Satan and any other false or evil entity.

 

[zone]

I just want to let you all know that I also now consider myself transgender, because simply I have to make my body line up with the way i feel inside, I spent many months praying to God to take it away, he never did and this is on top of being intersex.

I am sure most of you will not accept this, but I also will still be seeking a wife, as a woman in mind body and spirit, does that label me as a lesbian? Yeah I guess it does, but my pastor at a UCC Church is also a Lesbian, she is not filled with demons or preaching a false gospel, she does the same thing any other pastor would do.

Let me share with you a vision/dream that I had just a month ago or so:

I had a dream that was so amazing and so spiritual and an answer to my deepest subconscious question. OK I started out looking for a girl named Abby, in this area of the world I had never seen before, it was a mix of different types of buildings, with clouds and water rushing by under my feet alongside the buildings, she was there looking for someone or something, and i was trying to find her, but my attention turned to the North and directly in front.

I looked up and saw more majestic white houses (sort of like what might be described as new Jerusalem...only thing it looked like) and I saw a huge wall of water rushing towards me. It was almost on me when I became aware of the presence of God. I asked the question I had been wanting to ask him/her all this time. I said out-loud "Is it OK for me to be a woman"?

In a female voice (the first time I had ever heard God speak as a woman) She/He said to me in a booming voice that hit me as the water rushed past my body and engulfed me..

"It is not OK for you to be a Man"!

I was shocked! I said again "Did you just say its not ok for me to be a man"? Again the voice said "Yes" I asked again because the end of the sentence when God said "man" got cut off by the rushing water sound.

Wow what a truly amazing thing to happen to me~ Then after i came back down from the higher area or plains, I was then surrounded by women who were showing me new technologies to transform my body,hair,makeup, and well just about everything! I saw myself as a complete woman with long dark hair and tan skin and very elegant and happy.

The thing is I was asking God to tell me and I had just figured he/she would never do that and I gave up sort of in waiting for an answer. Then this happens! I am truly amazed and so at peace right now, you just have no idea how this feels. I had been actually praying for something like this to happen.

I had not even considered that God would ever speak in a female voice, I only ever heard God once as a male voice and that was back in 2000 in a dream. What was interesting is how God responded to me. She/he did not answer me with a yes or a no. It was as if God was trying to get the point across in a more vivid and intense way!

So you can probably go and tell me it was not God, but I know the difference between God and my own subconcious, once before I had a dream and God spoke to me in a booming male voice and told me "I know who you are, then said my name" see i was about to change my name and God didn't want me to hide and run away from my problems.

Not everyone is born xy male or xx female, there are many intersex conditions , whether they are hormonal or chromosomal, please do your research. Also people who are Transgender have a Neurological difference between their mind and the body they have, now while not the same as intersex, they are valid and God does not judge them for the way they are.

1) my pastor at a UCC Church is also a Lesbian < illegitimate. is that why you chose that church?
2) I became aware of the presence of God. I asked the question I had been wanting to ask him/her > God did not appear to you as a woman.
3) women who were showing me new technologies to transform my body,hair,makeup, and well just about everything! < this is wrong. don't do it.

like a lot of people these days, i think you've manouvered yourself into a place where you can justify what you know is wrong.

don't do it.

someone here advised you to use this genetic issue and the challenges it presents for God's glory. not to His shame. remain celibate.

if this were truly a genetic malfunction, your desire would ultimately be for a husband, not a lesbian relationship. i think you're really confused, and need to first of all get away from a church that ordains a woman, and a lesbian at that....and get away from other enablers so you don't fall into bondage.

either that or just go for it......be prepared to hear things you don't like from other Christians - some might accept all this, but some will not - don't blame them.

just my two cents.

 

[Ariel82]

What are you talking about? There are more than just xxy intersex conditions, thats klienfelters syndrome

please wikipedia intersex

or go to

What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America
Intersex Society of North America | A world free of shame, secrecy, and unwanted genital surgery

yeah my mistake. I acutally thought you had a medical condition like Klienfelters, instead its just something made up by people to justify wanting to change what God made them.

No i do not, I reject Satan and any other false or evil entity.

your vision of God (or more acurately termed YOUR goddess) in your vision does not fit GOD in the Bible but a false bright angel of light sent to encourage you to rebel against God and worship this goddess that says exactly what your flesh wants to hear.

you may reject Satan or any other false or evil entity you recognize but why do you think the Bible warns people with these words?

2 Corinthians 11

New King James Version (NKJV)

11 Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me. 2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity[a] that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!


...
3 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

 

[Strickalator]

Is is not wrong to take hormones to make my body match up to what my mind and spirit are, women who have AIS, in the mild or partial forms need to do this. The ones with complete AIS do not have to usually.

 

[Ariel82]

you can keep trying to justify it to yourself and some body may come along and tell you its ok, but in the end if you are truly a child of God HE will chaste and convict you about the whole situation.

the Bible says God made them MALE and Female and marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN.

IF you have a lesbian pastor, i'm sure she has spent some time twisting scripture to make it ok for her to live as she does. it doesn't make it right. Satan twisted scripture in the desert to try and get Jesus to jump off a mountain.

seems like you are quite willing to jump off the mountain and just want someone to give you a nudge to do it with reassuring words and scriptures taken out of scripture like:

Matthew 4
6 and said to Him, &#8220;If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:&#8216;He shall give His angels charge over you,&#8217;

and,
&#8216;In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.&#8217;&#8221;[b]

7 Jesus said to him, &#8220;It is written again, &#8216;You shall not tempt the Lord your God.&#8217;&#8221;[c]

Just replace it with "since you are a child of God, it ok to change your body and become a lesbian because God loves you no matter what"


are you strong enough to say "you shall not tempt the Lord your God"? Do you even see the need?

 

[Strickalator]

yeah my mistake. I actually thought you had a medical condition like Klienfelters, instead its just something made up by people to justify wanting to change what God made them.

Here are the various intersex conditions a human can have

5-alpha reductase deficiency
Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS)
Aphallia
Clitoromegaly (large clitoris)
Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH)
gonadal dysgenesis (partial & complete)
hypospadias
I have a line along the underside of my penis
Klinefelter Syndrome
micropenis
mosaicism involving "sex" chromosomes
MRKH (Mullerian agenesis; vaginal agenesis; congenital absence of vagina)
ovo-testes (formerly called "true hermaphroditism")
Partial Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (PAIS)
Progestin Induced Virilization
Swyer Syndrome
Turner Syndrome
XX male syndrome (also called de la Chapelle syndrome
XXYY syndrome
XXXY syndrome
XXXXY syndrome

People have a 1 in 2000 chance to have some form of intersex conditon

 

[zone]

Is is not wrong to take hormones to make my body match up to what my mind and spirit are, women who have AIS, in the mild or partial forms need to do this. The ones with complete AIS do not have to usually.

my last word on it: really get informed before you do something you might regret.

i wish you the best.

example:

BPA plastics chemical found to feminize males

BPA plastics chemical found to feminize males < click

 

[Strickalator]

that is an interesting article, but people have had intersex conditions and have been transgender way before that was even used or created.

 

[zone]

that is an interesting article, but people have had intersex conditions and have been transgender way before that was even used or created.

listen.
you can either do the research and see that humanity is under assault by a small group who intends to kill and destroy, or you can just roll with the GLBTI trend.

i assure it's not God's doing.

they've been doing this since before we were born.

the information is out there, but i'm tired of being ridiculed for providing the facts. this isn't natural, it's a deliberate attack. my husband suffered and died of a vicious cancer resulting from the SV40 virus mixed deliberately into the "polio vaccine" from the 40's < ON RECORD AS A EUGENICS ATTACK

autism is a deliberate attack....through vaccinations. the Huxleys and others are saying clearly in their own writings this is what they would do - "innoculations"

GMO foods are altering all species' DNA.

and on and on it goes. if anyone really want to know and overcome, they can search it out.

there must be a sufficient love of the truth, however.

you do as you wish.

 

[lookwhatthelordhasdone]

The only person who knows if you are Christian is you. That is a personal relationship between you and God. Don't listen to anyone who tells you differently.
Just because someone calls me a walrus, doesn't mean I am one. The same goes for you and your situation.

 

[zone]

the information is out there, but i'm tired of being ridiculed for providing the facts. this isn't natural, it's a deliberate attack. my husband suffered and died of a vicious cancer resulting from the SV40 virus mixed deliberately into the "polio vaccine" from the 40's < ON RECORD AS A EUGENICS ATTACK

Rogue virus in the vaccine / Early polio vaccine harbored virus now feared to cause cancer in humans
William Carlsen, Chronicle Staff Writer
Published 4:00 am, Sunday, July 15, 2001

Read more: Rogue virus in the vaccine / Early polio vaccine harbored virus now feared to cause cancer in humans - SFGate

anyways....i'm sorry for derailing your thread.
just pretty emotional at times about our inability to recognize that what's happening to us is deliberate.
we will suffer the effects but we ought not to give in to lies about it.

zone

 

[SarahM777]

"So apparently I am no longer a Christian, because I am Intersex" nope its cuz you worship a different god(dess) than the one found in the BIBLE who tells people that homosexuality is a sin.

You may have been a nominal Christian all your life but God knows your heart and if you are willing to forsake all for Him or if you are double-minded and love the world more.

at first I thought you meant you had XXY chromosomes when you said you were intersex,
now I see it is just some pseudoscience that a supposed doctor who is willing to help you change your physical appearance has feed you.

sidenote: both male and females make testosterone and estrogen, just the levels are different. in addition there are other chemicals. the video you posted was kind of pitiful in that she/he thinks that not being able to have babies is a good thing.

Being intersexed is a medical condition. All of them are some form of physical anomaly.

 

[SarahM777]

listen.
you can either do the research and see that humanity is under assault by a small group who intends to kill and destroy, or you can just roll with the GLBTI trend.

i assure it's not God's doing.

they've been doing this since before we were born.

the information is out there, but i'm tired of being ridiculed for providing the facts. this isn't natural, it's a deliberate attack. my husband suffered and died of a vicious cancer resulting from the SV40 virus mixed deliberately into the "polio vaccine" from the 40's < ON RECORD AS A EUGENICS ATTACK

autism is a deliberate attack....through vaccinations. the Huxleys and others are saying clearly in their own writings this is what they would do - "innoculations"

GMO foods are altering all species' DNA.

and on and on it goes. if anyone really want to know and overcome, they can search it out.

there must be a sufficient love of the truth, however.

you do as you wish.

Zone you are correct up to a point DES a drug that was prescribed for pregnant mothers to prevent miscarriage (which was a synthectic form of estrogen) beginning in the 1940's it was shown to increase the number of babies born with intersexed conditions. But remember Jesus also talked about those born as eunuchs.

That being said God does not excuse us just because we have a birth defect. He still requires holiness and righteousness in how we live with this within His will.

 

[Strickalator]

Absolutely, I will continue to try and live by God's will

 

[SarahM777]

anyways....i'm sorry for derailing your thread.
just pretty emotional at times about our inability to recognize that what's happening to us is deliberate.
we will suffer the effects but we ought not to give in to lies about it.

zone

Of course some of it is deliberate but some is also from unintended consequences. But that is why for those of us dealing with these things must seek God's truth and then live within the boundaries that He has laid out for us. And that is where we must come to the point that His grace is sufficient for us. We can not use it as a license to sin.

 

[Strickalator]

But as you and I know Sarah being transgender or intersex is not against God's will, there is nothing in the bible that goes against an intersex or transgender being saved , and actually confirms a Eunuch.

For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

Acts 8:26-40
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
26 But an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the south[a] to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is a desert road. 27 And he rose and went. And behold, an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a minister of the Canda&#8242;ce, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of all her treasure, had come to Jerusalem to worship 28 and was returning; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” 30 So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “How can I, unless some one guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 Now the passage of the scripture which he was reading was this:

“As a sheep led to the slaughter
or a lamb before its shearer is dumb,
so he opens not his mouth.
33 In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken up from the earth.”
34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, pray, does the prophet say this, about himself or about some one else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this scripture he told him the good news of Jesus. 36 And as they went along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What is to prevent my being baptized?” 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught up Philip; and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found at Azo&#8242;tus, and passing on he preached the gospel to all the towns till he came to Caesare&#8242;a.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

At first your main idea was your spiritual faith but as your heart has abundantly written you really wanted to convince us to agree with your premeditated descion which was to operate to change your body, which still will not solve the conflict you are or did or not war with, I have as well as all of us who believe, as an continuing present tense “action”, Believe that i must deny myself take up my cross and follow Jesus, deny my own physical desires and cravings for the pleasures of the body in those that are sins, deny all my reasoning, deny my will, take up the cross of willing to die than do my own thing, i would love to be let go , "Let my people Go," the command of God to the world holding His people back from entering the place of spiritual intimacy for us as Lovers of Jesus’ Agape His spiritual Love that has all power Omnipotent Agape, suffer, wait even painfully, to be emptied of fleshly impulses so that you may be filled with Omnipotent Agape forever, this is your test and your choice one is eternal life the other is eternal death, please chose death to your desires for flesh pleasure and Life to joy uncontainable full of His glory shining from you in His Kingdom.

 

[zone]

Of course some of it is deliberate but some is also from unintended consequences. But that is why for those of us dealing with these things must seek God's truth and then live within the boundaries that He has laid out for us. And that is where we must come to the point that His grace is sufficient for us. We can not use it as a license to sin.

i agree on all counts Sarah.

i have suffered as well...intensely, and continue to:

this is a tooth with a mercury filling, off-gassing mercury vapour 24/7.
i had 28 grams of mercury in my teeth for 30 years....The Lord supernaturally intervened and somehow a Christian dentist pulled some strings with two family insurance policies and i had it all removed and got veneers & implants - nice and white and shiny

i feel much better but still suffer the effects of the poisoning.
i leave it to anyone who cares to find out if this outrage was intentional or not (it was and is).

if you have suffered or do suffer from this, knowledge is helpful...

Mercury poisoning (also known as hydrargyria or mercurialism) is a disease caused by exposure to mercury or its compounds. Mercury (chemical symbol Hg) is a heavy metal occurring in several forms, all of which can produce toxic effects in high enough doses. Its zero oxidation state Hg0 exists as vapor or as liquid metal, its mercurous state Hg22+ exists as inorganic salts, and its mercuric state Hg2+ may form either inorganic salts or organomercury compounds; the three groups vary in effects. Toxic effects include damage to the brain, kidney, and lungs.[1] Mercury poisoning can result in several diseases, including acrodynia (pink disease),[2] Hunter-Russell syndrome, and Minamata disease.[3]
Symptoms typically include sensory impairment (vision, hearing, speech), disturbed sensation and a lack of coordination. The type and degree of symptoms exhibited depend upon the individual toxin, the dose, and the method and duration of exposure.

Mercury poisoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click


the effects of this ruined my life. but i have learned to forgive...Jesus saved me AND showed me the truth.
that's all i care about


"Mad as a hatter" is a colloquial phrase used in conversation to refer to a crazy person. In 18th and 19th century England mercury was used in the production of felt, which was used in the manufacturing of hats common of the time. People who worked in these hat factories were exposed daily to trace amounts of the metal, which accumulated within their bodies over time, causing some workers to develop dementia caused by mercury poisoning. Thus the phrase "Mad as a Hatter" became popular as a way to refer to someone who was perceived as insane

Mad as a hatter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

 

[zone]

Well I am going to just further along my body to how I feel internally, I am going to treat my condition with hormones and hair removal and have other surgeries done. Just like any other condition I am going to do whatever i can to feel better about myself.

So yes I am a woman inside and partially outside. But I am not attracted to men, I was not hard wired that way, so i will still be with a woman. I have already come to a happy spiritual place with all of this. I read a book called "Transgender Journeys, that talks about intersex women and transgender woman from 2 Christian Authors" I also read a book called "what the bible really says about homosexuality"
written by a priest and a pastor.

Judge me if you wish, but I am still a Christian, I would not deny Christ before men, and would gladly give my life to tell others the good news of salvation. I am not oppressed or possessed by demons, I am not seeking to deceive people, I am a child of God.

September 21, 2009
When Freud Came to America
One hundred years ago, Sigmund Freud arrived in the United States on his first and only visit. As the George Washington pulled into New York Harbor, he supposedly remarked to Carl Jung, who accompanied him, "They don't realize that we are bringing them the plague." His more vociferous contemporary critics would probably agree.

Freud's Visit to Clark U. - The Chronicle Review - The Chronicle of Higher Education <click