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BeyondET

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Bro, I did say what I had to say, I always do if I feel someone needs to hear it. maybe each person should be taken as they are and not measured against past experiences with other Christians. and I agree there is no need and actually we are told to do things quietly for others so I cant disagree. ive only been here for maybe 2 months I come and go. I cant say ill be back here ever again after today, I may walk outside and fall over or lose my arms ect....who knows what tomorrow will bring. its passed through my mind a few times wondering if there was any fruit to be had, this original post though was what it was. if I did wish to depart with a statement such as this though.......how is that offensive to you?
This is what I've been waiting for, Just be straight up with me though still with a little smoke and mirrors at least you said it passed your mind if there's fruit to be had here, so I can take that as a maybe and my negative thoughts of the thread have past thank you brother.

really I was just looking for a yes your thinking about it or no bro I like it here no doudt there's issues here but I didn't mean it that way but it seemed you were avoiding my question with wording like if God willing who knows what tomorrow brings walk outside and fall over loose a arm etc these are avoiding the question smoke and mirror answers in my thoughts and It really doesn't offend me if anybody disagrees with me I may flip a table of coarse I've done it doesn't mean I'm offended and if you leave I'll wave to my friend and say hope to see ya again friend.

if you want to post one saying your wondering if there's fruit to be had knock your self out I'm surely not going to be offended I might try and say man yo just let it go because I have left before and I felt alittle stupid for doing so my strength was weak no doudt because as mentioned before I like the people here and to be honest some of the arguing debating I like also now that I'm back again it gets me thinking on things,, it allows meaningful substance to flow in my mind it gives me a choice.

I've been through a lot in my life I'm over the smoke and mirror thing so when I sense something long the lines if that's really what is behind it all I will respond sry. Give me substance in whatever it may be either in a nice way or a mean way or both I don't care I look at it all with value and I'm not talking about your thread I'm talking about in general.
Because if there's anybody that knows about being bull headed it's ME and sometimes I need it right in the face or in a soft voice also but I may not like it either way at that moment or I may like it at that moment but I will reason with myself and come to a personal conclusion, any other way I'm fishing in a barrel with no fish it.

but if you really want to know what is wrong with the churches and people of this world it's the smoke and mirrors Is WHAT is wrong with churches and people,,, debating arguing etc. is being real I'm not saying at all its right but at least I know someone is being them self with me I'd rather have that no doudt then the smoke and mirrors thing..I think we all know who's temptation toy that is.

it would be quit clear if everyone was striving to be them self and not pulling the wool over eyes we all could easily see who has good intentions and who has bad intentions and who can except or not except, to love a enemy or not love a enemy along with other such statements and I'm not saying we all don't don't do some of things from time to time but preferably we all should be striving to be more good then harm. A lot of preachers wouldnt be preaching we wouldn't have this great divide without the smoke and mirrors where it's hard to tell who's being real and who's not,, some people are quite clear as a bell others I have to do a double take on them.

a thousand people can tell one person to help the needy but if the person needs to be told to do it is that really coming from the heart true love,, it's like excepting Jesus as your savior no one can tell you how to except Jesus it's got to come from the heart. Incouragement is a great virtue but demanding is fruitless I know cause I've done it.
 

Yet

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Hey Persuaded, did you study 1Cor 12, Ephesians 4, and Romans 12 yet? I wait.
 
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Persuaded

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Hey Persuaded, did you study 1Cor 12, Ephesians 4, and Romans 12 yet? I wait.
Yet, I have studied those Scripturies and ever book of the bible for 30 plus years.
Your just wrong in your understanding.
 
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jasonj

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This is what I've been waiting for, Just be straight up with me though still with a little smoke and mirrors at least you said it passed your mind if there's fruit to be had here, so I can take that as a maybe and my negative thoughts of the thread have past thank you brother.

really I was just looking for a yes your thinking about it or no bro I like it here no doudt there's issues here but I didn't mean it that way but it seemed you were avoiding my question with wording like if God willing who knows what tomorrow brings walk outside and fall over loose a arm etc these are avoiding the question smoke and mirror answers in my thoughts and It really doesn't offend me if anybody disagrees with me I may flip a table of coarse I've done it doesn't mean I'm offended and if you leave I'll wave to my friend and say hope to see ya again friend.

if you want to post one saying your wondering if there's fruit to be had knock your self out I'm surely not going to be offended I might try and say man yo just let it go because I have left before and I felt alittle stupid for doing so my strength was weak no doudt because as mentioned before I like the people here and to be honest some of the arguing debating I like also now that I'm back again it gets me thinking on things,, it allows meaningful substance to flow in my mind it gives me a choice.

I've been through a lot in my life I'm over the smoke and mirror thing so when I sense something long the lines if that's really what is behind it all I will respond sry. Give me substance in whatever it may be either in a nice way or a mean way or both I don't care I look at it all with value and I'm not talking about your thread I'm talking about in general.
Because if there's anybody that knows about being bull headed it's ME and sometimes I need it right in the face or in a soft voice also but I may not like it either way at that moment or I may like it at that moment but I will reason with myself and come to a personal conclusion, any other way I'm fishing in a barrel with no fish it.

but if you really want to know what is wrong with the churches and people of this world it's the smoke and mirrors Is WHAT is wrong with churches and people,,, debating arguing etc. is being real I'm not saying at all its right but at least I know someone is being them self with me I'd rather have that no doudt then the smoke and mirrors thing..I think we all know who's temptation toy that is.

it would be quit clear if everyone was striving to be them self and not pulling the wool over eyes we all could easily see who has good intentions and who has bad intentions and who can except or not except, to love a enemy or not love a enemy along with other such statements and I'm not saying we all don't don't do some of things from time to time but preferably we all should be striving to be more good then harm. A lot of preachers wouldnt be preaching we wouldn't have this great divide without the smoke and mirrors where it's hard to tell who's being real and who's not,, some people are quite clear as a bell others I have to do a double take on them.

a thousand people can tell one person to help the needy but if the person needs to be told to do it is that really coming from the heart true love,, it's like excepting Jesus as your savior no one can tell you how to except Jesus it's got to come from the heart. Incouragement is a great virtue but demanding is fruitless I know cause I've done it.

okay bro, God bless and thanks for taking the time to participate
 
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BeyondET

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okay bro, God bless and thanks for taking the time to participate
thank you for making the thread for I have learned something today and God bless you brother.
 

Yet

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How can you believe, which receive honor one of another, and seek not the honor that comes from God only? John 5:44
 
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eternally-gratefull

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There is not a single verse that commands us to give money to a 'church' that refuses to line up with scripture. But there are a few verses that commands us to come out from among those that practice heresy and be seperate into Him.
Just because a building has a marquee out front saying 'CHURCH', does not mean that it is a bonafide by the book gathering.

Folks, you need to quit saying 'we go by the book...we go by the book', if you are not even willing to check the book against what you practice.

I use the book all day long on this site and get blasted for it. Nothing has changed in 2000 years has it?
You keep ignoring the question.

I guess I can assume you do not give money to any functioning body of Christ?

Then you have no right to judge others, and it is time for you to change subjects, for you are disqualified to teach on the subject of giving.

Or you can show you do have the right, and show us that you do give to a local body of Christ, to help them in their duty to do Gods work in your community and the world.
 
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Just on one thing you said, so, yup, I'm pulling it out of context knowing anyone is free to read all you wrote to put it back in context.
a thousand people can tell one person to help the needy but if the person needs to be told to do it is that really coming from the heart true love,...
Speaking as the needy, got to say, I don't care if a thousand people talk about it. I don't care what the motivation of the one who does something is. Getting the need met is what the needy want. The rest is like cars passing on a major highway when your tire blew and you don't have a spare. None of those cars matter but the one that pulls over to help you. And, at that moment, it stops being a car and becomes a person -- the real Good Samaritan.
 
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Depleted

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You keep ignoring the question.

I guess I can assume you do not give money to any functioning body of Christ?

Then you have no right to judge others, and it is time for you to change subjects, for you are disqualified to teach on the subject of giving.

Or you can show you do have the right, and show us that you do give to a local body of Christ, to help them in their duty to do Gods work in your community and the world.


Remove the second and fourth paragraph and this is the exact same thing I charge you with. "Hypocrite." Good word!
 

tanakh

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when believers are driven apart by scripture. the church is in chaos, everyone thinks they know the truth and oppose the other guy who thinks he knows. scripture should divide non believers with believers, never should it divide Gods chosen believers. The world has long ago corrupted the churches doctrine, otherwise there would never be so many denominations and arguments. how can we agree on Jesus, and let the details kill the unity he calls us to? how is his prayer that believers in Him are one and yet we cant discuss scripture without it turning to childish insults and no one hearing and everyone speaking different "truths" its silly to think we have things figured out when we cant mature because of the bitterness one man "youre a false teacher"..the other " nope, you are"...im rubber your glue ??? it is no wonder to me the church in large is unappealing to people. where is the family? the Love? who holds their tongue when no fruit is to be had? if everyone is contending for the true faith, yet no one agrees......its a shame to me that we have a bond as great as Christ, and cast stones and place stumbling blocks rather than encourage, and lift up. The truth is the ones out there acting in the words and teachings of Christ are far greater to God than any that argue and pretend they alone understand the gospel. knowledge raises YOUR bar, lack of knowledge and simply doing what He taught is the only true Gospel. Go Love people and share The simple gospel and trust God to work out the details and transform the mind. we should ever examine our own behavior and not only the "doctrines" we think are right. If we aren't doing what Jesus taught, we are fooling ourselves plainly. and storing up judgement for our own self and any who follow our example.

I Love discussion about scripture for the purpose of reaching truth in a mature and humble manner, its extremely hard to find in my world. I am wondering who is slow to speak and humble to listen? who prays for the ones we condemn? who will actually lay down our extra for those who need all around us in the world? who is it that truly follows the teachings of Christ. I believe with all I am, not everyone is called to teach, or edify others, the majority of us are called to humbly listen and learn from Christ. If you aren't praying daily for Gods wisdom and understanding of His word, you don't understand. If you are so learned in scripture that you are beyond correction, either you are called of God to teach based on the wisdom you pray for daily in humility, or you know so little that you should forget it and just work on Loving another person. I cant imagine Jesus is too happy with the behavior of at least a majority of His people. If your Christianity is words it is useless. if it is all about you, it is useless. if it doesn't bring a major change to your life, you are not yet there. everythong is done with arguing backbiting, murmuring, criticizing, arguing some more, we make enemies of those who are eternally bound to us.

My heart hurts when I Look too closely at modern Christians for the most part. wonderful people all, who lack maturity to know what is worth arguing about, and what is best left to prayer and petition. if we do not learn to Love one another, all the details and word for word scripture is powerless to us, and pointless to discern. There is a purpose in this life for Christians...to be a light in darkness, to offer true Love where the worlds love is long cold. that is the most powerful thing to affect another person for Jesus Christ. help a single mother put food on her table, help an elderly widow pay a monthly bill, take that friend of your kids who has no dad around to the ball game, encourage Him....visit the lonely in nursing homes......if we do things like this and the many more we think of....when we speak about Jesus, it will have weight to the person because we are offering Love that they may not really know elsewhere. to Love people in truth with action, putting in time, effort, even when it isn't conveinient for us or we may miss a ball game or tv show ect this alone reaches the heart hardened by the world. those mistreated respond to love, those who are poor and needy respond to help and kindness, those who are cast aside or overlooked, they respond to someones company and even a shoulder to cry on......Love in truth by laying our desires, wants, our extra for the sake of others. however we are able that will bring people to Christ, not shouting scripture, nor pointing out their sin while overlooking our own. God bless and if I don't see yall again, may the peace and Love of Christ abound from Him to you and also to all of them. I emplore you to examine yourself with a magnifier, and with honesty according to all the knowledge that you possess. and act upon what you find, act in what you know to be true. action is the truth of what we are called to. to Love, not to say I love everyone but to go love others who need it. without this, there is no church.
This is one of the most sensible and insightful things I have read here for a long time. We should all strive to become more Christ like but it is far from easy.
 
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popeye

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Brother Sirk, brother Utah did not like what brother Yet said, only that brother Yet had put a like on brother Dude's post, which brother Utah had neither liked nor disliked. I hope that helps :)
Ok,I did like those and your post as well,but now I am thinking that one of them was supposed to be "not liked" by the adsence of a "particular members refrain of like button"?

Oh,wait,I get it.

This is a code,right?

Oh wow,it just hit me,this is developed in certain threads,right?
 
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popeye

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This is one of the most sensible and insightful things I have read here for a long time. We should all strive to become more Christ like but it is far from easy.
You outlined his 3 mile long rant in 2sentences,so I would say your post was 3 times more sensible.

....and insightful.
 
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popeye

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Does anyone else see the irony this thread has invoked?
 
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jasonj

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This is one of the most sensible and insightful things I have read here for a long time. We should all strive to become more Christ like but it is far from easy.

Indeed its not easy. and in my own humble opinion isn't possible until we are united in the Love he commands. God bless you thanks for the reply
 
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jasonj

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You outlined his 3 mile long rant in 2sentences,so I would say your post was 3 times more sensible.

....and insightful.

thanks for the participation, God bless