Speaking in Tongues (Privately, Outside of Church)
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far be it to anyone who does not agree with your understanding of the Word of God. The Word of God has convinced me yes amen. Fear in the context of Reverence for and to God which is the beginning of wisdom & knowledge as stated in Prov 1:7 and chapter 9 It is not for me to prove to you my understanding on anything you are not God.
The word of God also states in James 1: 5 " If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.".
I do not see in the bible where it states I have to agree with notuptome or CS1 ? Maybe some have to much pride and arrogance which prevents them from seeing it in others? Think about that shall you .
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The word of God also states in James 1: 5 " If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.".
I do not see in the bible where it states I have to agree with notuptome or CS1 ? Maybe some have to much pride and arrogance which prevents them from seeing it in others? Think about that shall you .
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Well I did not understand what you were saying, so I was trying to clarify.
So let me just say this.....what do you mean by "by example".
So let me just say this.....what do you mean by "by example".
Ok but that was a Long stretch from by example . For one to even think that seems to have a presumption to mean:
one who speaks in tongues is more Christ-like I never even said that. When one instantly sees that in my statement "by example " . How can I explain to you if you think that? You said you did not understand what I was saying? But you drew that conclusion.
The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are received and distributed by the Holy Spirt right to all who are saved ?
Jesus demonstrated HIS power to the Disciples did HE not? Can you show me were in the Gospels Jesus taught them how to speak in tongues? and what teaching prepared them for the Day of Pentecost RECORDED in Acts 2 ? They were told to go and wait until they get power from on high. no where did they know what would happen.
the example of ACTS shows obedience to the word of Jesus in Acts 1:8. Jesus was our example and we learn to from Him and the Holy Spirit That is edifying is it not? instruction , teaching , and example .
Just show it from the word of God. I have not stated anything that is in conflict with the verses you have posted. I simply have shown how one obtains knowledge through the word of God. The Holy Spirit then gives understanding of the word of God and that makes men wise first unto salvation then prepares them to walk with the Lord.
No man can reason that a man can fear God until he first knows who God is and understands why he ought to fear God. When he understands and receives wisdom his fear becomes trust.
There is no personal attack in what I present.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
No man can reason that a man can fear God until he first knows who God is and understands why he ought to fear God. When he understands and receives wisdom his fear becomes trust.
There is no personal attack in what I present.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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It had a question mark, it was not personal to you, just a general question of a belief a person might have since tongues are for personal edification according to what has been written on this thread.
If tongues makes a person more Christ like well that would be a good thing ....I am all for all believers to be more Christ like
I still do not read a specific example of personal edification because of speaking in tongues, a similar example to me would be like going to a bible study and then sharing with another believer a specific truth I had learned at the bible study that I did not know before and therefore I was edified at that bible study.
I would hope that if I was asked this question about how I was edified at a bible study I would be able to give a specific example.
Thanks for the response
If tongues makes a person more Christ like well that would be a good thing ....I am all for all believers to be more Christ like
I still do not read a specific example of personal edification because of speaking in tongues, a similar example to me would be like going to a bible study and then sharing with another believer a specific truth I had learned at the bible study that I did not know before and therefore I was edified at that bible study.
I would hope that if I was asked this question about how I was edified at a bible study I would be able to give a specific example.
Thanks for the response
Although I was born into, raised, and stayed too long in a church that did "tongues," I was never impressed positively by the sight or sound of it. Curiously, my Sunday school teacher in that church did impress me when I was @ 14-y-o, watched her grinning and dancing at the altar while repeating, over and over, "Malarkey! Malarkey!" -- her way of speaking in "tongues." Well, as I think about it now, the word is Gaelic!
What I do not understand about it is that the common "tongues" used in churches seems to bring about a "high" for the speaker. In my experience, they are more interested in chills and in thrills than in glorifying G-D.
But my experience is limited to my few years and the churches in which I have seen "tongues."
What I do not understand about it is that the common "tongues" used in churches seems to bring about a "high" for the speaker. In my experience, they are more interested in chills and in thrills than in glorifying G-D.
But my experience is limited to my few years and the churches in which I have seen "tongues."
Fear is also dread and terror. This is what the unsaved man feels toward God. There can be no trust until the enmity is resolved.
Romans chapter one teaches that unsaved men are able to know that God exists through nature but to know who God is and to comprehend mans responsibilities toward God one must have specific knowledge found in the word of God. Unsaved men are able to know it is wrong to kill but the reason why must be learned through the word of God.
In parts of the world it is not wrong to steal or lie if it permits one to attain that which they desire. There is no knowledge of God in people like this. We see people in our society who do not value life in the least. These people have no knowledge of God.
One must obtain knowledge of God through the word of God. One must then receive understanding of what the word of God is teaching. Through understanding one gains wisdom of God where trepidation becomes reverential trust.
Proverbs 4:1 ¶ Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know understanding.
2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
3 For I was my father’s son, tender and only beloved in the sight of my mother.
4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.
5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.
9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.
10 Hear, O my son, and receive my sayings; and the years of thy life shall be many.
11 I have taught thee in the way of wisdom; I have led thee in right paths.
12 When thou goest, thy steps shall not be straitened; and when thou runnest, thou shalt not stumble.
13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Romans chapter one teaches that unsaved men are able to know that God exists through nature but to know who God is and to comprehend mans responsibilities toward God one must have specific knowledge found in the word of God. Unsaved men are able to know it is wrong to kill but the reason why must be learned through the word of God.
In parts of the world it is not wrong to steal or lie if it permits one to attain that which they desire. There is no knowledge of God in people like this. We see people in our society who do not value life in the least. These people have no knowledge of God.
One must obtain knowledge of God through the word of God. One must then receive understanding of what the word of God is teaching. Through understanding one gains wisdom of God where trepidation becomes reverential trust.
Proverbs 4:1 ¶ Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know understanding.
2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
3 For I was my father’s son, tender and only beloved in the sight of my mother.
4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.
5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.
6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.
7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.
9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.
10 Hear, O my son, and receive my sayings; and the years of thy life shall be many.
11 I have taught thee in the way of wisdom; I have led thee in right paths.
12 When thou goest, thy steps shall not be straitened; and when thou runnest, thou shalt not stumble.
13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. The wisdom that is obtained through the Fear of the Lord is the wisdom to know you need a savior. Before you receive that revelation wisdom from the Holy Spirit, you cannot get other wisdom of God.
If you really think the wicked shrink in terror of a living God, you need to re-examine yourself.
1 Corinthians 14 happened to be my daily reading yesterday. I noticed that after Paul discusses the distinction between praying with his spirit and praying with his mind (vs. 14-15), and the problem with having a 'foreign-tongue' speaker praying (vs, 16-17), he says...
18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all.
19 however in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue. (NASB, emphasis added)
These words "with my mind" as contrasted with "in a tongue" in both vs. 14 and 19 make it clear to me that the "tongue" is not simply a language that Paul had learned. This strongly suggests that tongues are a gift of the Spirit, not a naturally-learned language.
I would add that speaking in a naturally-learned foreign language is just as unedifying to hearers who don't understand the language as speaking in a Spirit-empowered tongue. The speaker may be edified, but the hearers aren't. In both cases, without an interpreter, it's best that the speaker keep quiet.
18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all.
19 however in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue. (NASB, emphasis added)
These words "with my mind" as contrasted with "in a tongue" in both vs. 14 and 19 make it clear to me that the "tongue" is not simply a language that Paul had learned. This strongly suggests that tongues are a gift of the Spirit, not a naturally-learned language.
I would add that speaking in a naturally-learned foreign language is just as unedifying to hearers who don't understand the language as speaking in a Spirit-empowered tongue. The speaker may be edified, but the hearers aren't. In both cases, without an interpreter, it's best that the speaker keep quiet.