stop attacking each other

[peterT]

1. you haven't moved past it.... is this an example of maturity and adult conversation?

2. very deep observation, yet not a respond to the QUESTION, notice the question mark? its not a statement is a question. thanks for the ridicule though, it sure helps to build up endurance....

3. I would if you would stop twisting my words and maligning my intentions.

you ridicule yet do not answer a single question.

why was John the Baptist in the desert for almost thirty years?

yes God can use anyone and Samuel served God from his youth but when did he begin serving the world? When did God send Samuel out into the world?

I am merely affirming that this scripture should be upheld:

1 Timothy 3
1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop,[a] he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

NOVICE are NOT to be entrusted with overseeing and tending the sheep or the position of bishop. they are not the steward but the children who are still very much like slaves under the stewardship and guardianship of others.

most of the debate and strife is by novices and between novices and yes I would count myself among them and would count most as children of God.

does that offend anyone?

Romans10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

I think you are getting a preacher and a prophet mixed up.

The preacher that led me to the lord was 18 years old, not 30 + or more.
I had led dozens to the lord before I was 20 years old.

If we did not preach the gospel until we were 30 + years old, half the world would not be saved yet.

You said I ridicule you

I am twisting my words

I am nit-picking.

Is that "Proclaiming God's love? Always". As you said, that’s what you do.
I am not ridiculing you.
I am not twisting your words.
And as for nit-picking, I don’t think so.
I never called you anything
I just said your statement is ridicules.
This statement, and it is ridicules.
“Jesus didn't preach until He was thirty, why do people think they are qualified before then”.

Romans10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

 

[pickles]

We are to be light with all the attacks on this site you would think this a site for children of the world. We need to reach out in love. You can state what you believe in a loving way. Please think what you are doing to your brother and what you are showing nonbelievers. Would you want to be a Christian with all the hate going on in this site. Jesus was always kind when trying to help someone understand something.

Much spoken to in this thread has been good and true, for we are called to correct and speak to the truth in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
When we speak to another, scripture is clear that we should do so in all humility, keeping ourselves humble, so to edify whom we speak to.
In this way we show the love of Jesus.
As to personal offence?
When we remove self from any topic that we witnesses to in Jesus, there is no offence, as all we do is unto the Lord, not unto man.
For when in all things, we serve Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, if God is for us, who can be against us!
All we do should be unto the Lord!!!!

God bless
pickles

 

[AnandaHya]

Romans10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

I think you are getting a preacher and a prophet mixed up.

The preacher that led me to the lord was 18 years old, not 30 + or more.
I had led dozens to the lord before I was 20 years old.

If we did not preach the gospel until we were 30 + years old, half the world would not be saved yet.

You said I ridicule you

I am twisting my words

I am nit-picking.

Is that "Proclaiming God's love? Always". As you said, that’s what you do.
I am not ridiculing you.
I am not twisting your words.
And as for nit-picking, I don’t think so.
I never called you anything
I just said your statement is ridicules.
This statement, and it is ridicules.
“Jesus didn't preach until He was thirty, why do people think they are qualified before then”.

Romans10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

I believe you are getting evangelist and preacher messed up.

an evangelist leads people to Christ. A preacher teaches them of God's laws and what is expected of a Christian and helps them learn to walk in the Holy Spirit, how to pray, how to overcome the strongholds of their minds. They guide the people into a closer walk with God until they are no longer spiritual babes but mature men and women of Christ.

an evangelist plants the seed. the preacher waters and feeds the sheep.

in addition you did not lead people to Christ. God's Holy Spirit did. you just did your duty by sharing His Word with them.

I would not consider your work that of a preacher but of an evangelist.

and no what I have describe is the role of a preacher or bishop NOT a prophet.

that is another totally different topic.

yes telling you that you are being nitpicking is a form of love because I could be a lot harsher and your consist insistence of repeating that one phrase as a statement instead of the question it was written is rather like a slap in the face that reveals that you have not read my responses to your first post on the subject.

so you can continue to beat me with that one sentence which was a question or you can actually read my responses and respond accordingly.

I do not always proclaim God's love nor do I claim to. but that is my goal. that is what God has asked of me.

what has God asked of you?

 

[AnandaHya]

Much spoken to in this thread has been good and true, for we are called to correct and speak to the truth in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
When we speak to another, scripture is clear that we should do so in all humility, keeping ourselves humble, so to edify whom we speak to.
In this way we show the love of Jesus.
As to personal offence?
When we remove self from any topic that we witnesses to in Jesus, there is no offence, as all we do is unto the Lord, not unto man.
For when in all things, we serve Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, if God is for us, who can be against us!
All we do should be unto the Lord!!!!

God bless
pickles

for the most part you can always count on Pickles to have an encouraging word.

I believe Consumed has an abundance of faith and if I need someone to talk to concerning the Bible and discernment I tend to seek out Abiding. Stillwaters and the other mods act as the deacons of the site.

So I see Christ's church at work in here and the Holy Spirit move among many. I guess I do find it offensive when people focus on the negative without mercy and grace and love to cover their observation of those they speak about. perhaps it was just unspoken in prayer or just frustration speaking. but you should not allow frustration to allow your tongue to run wild. for we are to tame not only our spoken words but our unspoken thoughts to the obedience of Christ.

I think often misunderstandings happen because of the difference in maturity level but also because people do not understand the various ministries God places people in. He gives spiritual gifts in order for people to be equipped to do what He gives them, but to often people try to force their assigned task on others. Not all are called to be preachers, evangelist, teachers, healers

these forums aren't sermons. the closest thing to a sermon you will find on this site is if someone posts one or if you attend the official Bible studies in the chatroom.

people should not come to this forum to preach or be preached at, but to fellowship and speak of God's Words in love and thanksgiving.

we should not seek to change another's mind but allow God to change their hearts.

I don't know I think the original reason I piped in is that people seem to be putting down the site because there were arguments and debates and demanding that people grow up and act more mature.

telling a three year old to grow up and act like a 16 year old isn't going to make it true or possible or even healthy.

so if you want an exhortation it would be summed up in one sentence:

Have patience with us and forgive us our disputes and lack of maturity, God is molding us still.

 

[Red33]

I agree completely. WAY too many people come here just to argue, and it really makes Christianity look bad. We are called to be Jesus' earthly ambassadors, and I don't see much of that going on in this part of the site. Too many vain disputes..........Seekers and young Christians are watching, people. Are all these arguments helping them accept Christ, or grow in Him?

Yeah, didn't think so.........

Never, not one time did our Lord ever concern Himself with whether He or what He preached or the disciples and what they preached about looking bad in the eyes of others. The disciples had a problem with that on occasions, but Christ never did. He was not concerned with how He was going to be perceived. As a matter of fact, He did many things that resulted in many thinking evil and questioning Him. He said things that He knew they could never understand. He was never embarrassed, never anxious nor lived in guilt about anything.

He knew that His words would offend and cause many to stumble but He kept right on preaching and He was not exactly kind to or worried about what the Pharisees or Sadducees throught of His words. He said to a group of disciples that unless they ate His flesh and drank His blood they would have no life in them and many of those disciples went back and followed Him no more. He then turned to His original twelve and said, 'Will you go also'? Paul counted all things but dung that he might win Christ. The Jews looked upon Christ and all that He preached and did, and the result was that He came unto His own and they received Him not.

Some of you don't like it when believers get a little heated about certain aspects of doctrine and they get argumentative. Don't get so bent out of shape and start showing your dissatisfaction by telling others that they are immature, but rather, learn wisdom, walk in it and go after God despite what others say or do. If God can take a curse and make it a blessing, He certainly has the ability to take all that we think, say or do and work it together for the good through redemption. So we can trust God because we can trust Him that all things are for our sake and from Him.

 

[Snackersmom]

^^^^ I largely agree with you, Red, and I certainly agree that the Gospel is worth contending for, I have engaged in that, myself. I realize now, after praying about it, that I probably shouldn't have made the original post. For anyone who was offended, again, I apologize.

However, just to clarify, I wasn't referring to contentions over the Gospel or the fundamentals of the Faith; I was referring to the topics that I, personally (not that I am qualified to judge) feel would fall under the category of Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish questions (*disputes), and geneologies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain (*useless)". <<<< That's what I was frustrated about, not worthwhile contentions, or even SEMI-heated debates over things that actually matter. Just clarifyin'.

To Shilo: Sorry for any part I had in derailing your thread. I will try to avoid frustration-posting in the future.

To Anandahya: My feelings weren't particularly hurt, I was more confused, than anything. If someone has something against me, I like to know what it is, so I can learn from it, apologize (if need be), and move on. When you quoted me, I assumed that you were speaking to me directly, but you have said that that wasn't the case, so don't worry about it. I'll drop you a P.M. . However, I must say that although the Bible says that those new to the faith shouldn't teach, there isn't really anything that says that you have to be at least 30 or 40 before you're qualified. You said yourself that the wisdom from above comes by way of the Holy Spirit, which I totally agree with, so, if a person is speaking by way of the Spirit, then they are speaking by way of the Spirit, regardless of age. I have seen some VERY wise posts made by some of the site's teenagers, and others who were not yet 30. Let no man despise your youth......if you're right, you're right........Right?

God bless, and my apologies to all who were offended by my post. I guess I was thinking of the fact that ANYONE who has an internet connection (member, or not, Christian, or not) can see the things we say, and the way we treat each other. And they'll know we are Christians, by our love, by our love........I'd better go, I'm quoting song lyrics, now..........

 

[AnandaHya]

sorry Shilo for derailing your thread.

Let me clarify my statement about the age thing:

1. All people no matter the age should speak as oracles of God. All are expected to learn by the guidance of the Holy Spirit to become mature in Christ but not all are given the ministry of teacher or pastor.

1 Peter 4:11
If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

you see God makes a distinction between speaking and ministering.

2. a lot of people expect that those who discuss things on this forum are trying to teach or minister to others as teachers or pastors but I would like to point out that is often no the case. Speaking as oracles of God is what scripture tells us to do always. it is not the same as teaching and preaching. Oracles reveal the will of God and praise Him and proclaim that He will return and His goodness and His plan as He has revealed throughout all time. However teachers and pastors are given to teach and edify and help people mature into the people God intends them to be. Teachers and pastors have to be mature first and sound in doctrine and able to rebuke not just exhort. Oracles can speak even if they are not fully mature if they do so by the promoting of the Holy Spirit.

Its just a distinction that should be made that though anyone with the Holy Spirit can and should speak as an oracle of God not many should be teachers and the gospel warns of this for they will be given a stricter judgment.

that is why I believe that scripture does show that people should not be entrusted with the pastoring of the flock (their own church) or the office of "bishop" without first being mature and being at least 30 years of age for I believe there is a reason why Jesus was that age when He began preaching. they are not to be novice and must be firmly rooted in sound doctrine and display the Fruits of the Spirit as found in Galatians 5.

In this case of pastoral ministry and pastoring of the flock alone I do believe age matters. Not only fleshly but spiritual maturity is necessary.

prophets, evangelist, etc do not have an physical age attached but do demand spiritual maturity and faith in Christ. not saying that speaking and witnessing is not part of the learning process because it definitely is. just that one should not esteem oneself higher then God has placed them.

anyway back onto the OP:

here is a good scripture about the topic

Philippians 2

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
14 Do all things without complaining and disputing, 15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.
17 Yes, and if I am being poured out as a drink offering on the sacrifice and service of your faith, I am glad and rejoice with you all. 18 For the same reason you also be glad and rejoice with me.

 

[peterT]

I believe you are getting evangelist and preacher messed up.

an evangelist leads people to Christ. A preacher teaches them of God's laws and what is expected of a Christian and helps them learn to walk in the Holy Spirit, how to pray, how to overcome the strongholds of their minds. They guide the people into a closer walk with God until they are no longer spiritual babes but mature men and women of Christ.

an evangelist plants the seed. the preacher waters and feeds the sheep.

in addition you did not lead people to Christ. God's Holy Spirit did. you just did your duty by sharing His Word with them.

I would not consider your work that of a preacher but of an evangelist.

and no what I have describe is the role of a preacher or bishop NOT a prophet.

that is another totally different topic.

yes telling you that you are being nitpicking is a form of love because I could be a lot harsher and your consist insistence of repeating that one phrase as a statement instead of the question it was written is rather like a slap in the face that reveals that you have not read my responses to your first post on the subject.

so you can continue to beat me with that one sentence which was a question or you can actually read my responses and respond accordingly.

I do not always proclaim God's love nor do I claim to. but that is my goal. that is what God has asked of me.

what has God asked of you?

Proclaiming God's love? Always

I do not always proclaim God's love nor do I claim to.

Sorry but thats what you said. Proclaiming God's love? Always.



I don&#8217;t not how you get an evangelist leads people to Christ but that&#8217;s not preaching the gospel.
A evangelist leads people to Christ with these verses and more, and that&#8217;s not preaching the gospel in your mind. I don&#8217;t think so.


"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one"Romans 3:10 (KJV)


"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"Romans 3:23 (KJV)


"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord."Romans 6:23 (KJV)


"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)


"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that,
while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."Romans 5:8 (KJV)


"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."John 3:16 (KJV)


"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."John 3:3 (KJV)


"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name"John 1:12 (KJV)


"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."John 14:6 (KJV)

 

[AnandaHya]

PeterT please quote me in context:

"I do not always proclaim God's love nor do I claim to. but that is my goal. that is what God has asked of me. "

I clarified my statement but you love to ignore it.

I'm sorry I do not have the time or patience to discourse with you if you refuse to give me the respect to even listen or read my full responses.

I stated it is ALWAYS my GOAL to speak and proclaim God's love.

I state there is a difference between proclaiming the Gospel and the office of Teacher or Pastor or evangelist but you refuse to see or listen.

 

[peterT]

PeterT please quote me in context:

"I do not always proclaim God's love nor do I claim to. but that is my goal. that is what God has asked of me. "

I clarified my statement but you love to ignore it.

I'm sorry I do not have the time or patience to discourse with you if you refuse to give me the respect to even listen or read my full responses.

I stated it is ALWAYS my GOAL to speak and proclaim God's love.

I state there is a difference between proclaiming the Gospel and the office of Teacher or Pastor or evangelist but you refuse to see or listen.

I did not ignore your statement I just didn’t respond to them.

And just because I missed one of your posts, that doesn’t make me immature.

NOW you have clarified this statement. “I stated it is ALWAYS my GOAL to speak and proclaim God's love”.

So you need to be a something like a 30 year veteran trained by God to preach the gospel and to feed Gods sheep. And you give John the Baptist, David, Moses, Abraham, And Jesus as an example. These are prophets.

'I don't preach the gospel, nor is that my goal".
The thing is you do preach the gospel, and it may not be bang no, or your goal, but nevertheless the gospel is preached.

Maybe you can clarify this statement even tho I think you think you have done it.

"Jesus didn't preach until He was thirty, why do people think they are qualified before then?"
"But not a fleshly age?"

For this statement as a undertone, Christians Don’t bother preaching the gospel for its going to be years and years and years, before you are ready.

Even tho it was the prophets God spent years training.

Do you teach not to steal? Then you are preaching the gospel.

Romans 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

 

[AnandaHya]

For this statement as a undertone, Christians Don&#8217;t bother preaching the gospel for its going to be years and years and years, before you are ready.

Even tho it was the prophets God spent years training.

Do you teach not to steal? Then you are preaching the gospel.

Romans 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?

the thing is you are spending so much time listening to the "undertone" which I neither spoke or meant that you do not see or hear what I have spoken and what I am addressing. which are the qualification of a preacher or pastor as God laid them out, not as men would have them to be.

Do you consider yourself a teacher or preacher? is that why you take offense to my words?

God spends years training every one of His children. be it prophet, teacher, pastor, evangelist, healer, comforter or any other member of His body.

I have not called you immature so don't know why you are getting huffy about that.

the GOSPEL is not about do's and don't. that is the Law.

why don't you take a few minutes and read what I wrote and try to figure out what I"m saying instead of listening to false undertones you are inserting into my words.

it helps to pray and ask God to get read of those false undertones.

 

[AnandaHya]

if you want the undertone it should read as follows: people don't bother preaching the Law right now until you are spiritually mature enough to discern right and wrong and grounded in sound doctrine so that you can truthfully teach with patience and kindness for the maturity of God's people.

People still need to know God's laws and His expectations not to earn salvation but to be equipped to the do the good works God intends for them to do. \

what part about what I said about everyone is commanded to speak as oracles of God don't you understand?

 

[Rhema305]

the bible disscusion forum is full of doctrine and bickering

 

[Kyouken]

the bible disscusion forum is full of doctrine and bickering

<sarcasm>It's fun in here, isn't it </sarcasm>
While this says 'Bible Discussion Forum', I don't think that this is a good place for Bible Discussion. The devil plays a big part here...
The better parts of the site are, well, the other threads! (Not to say some good stuff doesn't get discussed here, but I generally like to stay out of here, and, well, a good lot that does me ).

 

[Allin]

When I was younger, I used to feel I had to defend myself or whatever. It can take a while to learn to rest and 'be at peace' when people disagree with you. Most smart people avoid religion from all the debates and differences in opinion. But God knows where each person is. I do believe, however, that the easiest and most effortless way to 'speak' to anyone about God or Jesus or doctrine is to 'live it'. There is little way to really 'live it' online though, but it can take some time to learn to "acquaint yourself with Him and be at peace" (Job 22:21).


Hey, Superdave, what do you mean by "the sources of authority for epistemology"? Well, it shouldn't be a surprise that there are so many different doctrines in Christianity. We live in very comfortable times where it would really be uncommon (not normal) for anyone-- Christians or non-- to not make up and follow beliefs that are convenient for them. It seems like a bad deal: "Follow the one true doctrine and suffer, or follow whatever is good for you and you don't have to suffer."

 

[peterT]

Jesus didn't preach until He was thirty, why do people think they are qualified before then?"

&#8220;I was not speaking of fleshly age but spiritual age&#8221;

Let me clarify my statement about the age thing:


1. All people no matter the age should speak as oracles of God. All are expected to learn by the guidance of the Holy Spirit to become mature in Christ but not all are given the ministry of teacher or pastor.


people don't bother preaching the Law right now until you are spiritually mature enough to discern right and wrong and grounded in sound doctrine so that you can truthfully teach with patience and kindness for the maturity of God's people.
?

So you are clarifying your statement

So there is no age thing 30+ in the flesh before you are ready to preach the gospel, and there is no age thinks 30 + in the spirit before you are ready to preach the gospel

But you do have to wait until you are spiritually mature enough &#8220;is that right?&#8221;

Now when do you decide the waiting is over?

 

[peterT]

<sarcasm>It's fun in here, isn't it </sarcasm>
While this says 'Bible Discussion Forum', I don't think that this is a good place for Bible Discussion. The devil plays a big part here...
The better parts of the site are, well, the other threads! (Not to say some good stuff doesn't get discussed here, but I generally like to stay out of here, and, well, a good lot that does me ).

He dose play a big part here, but what better place to preach the gospel than where he plays a big part.

Love from peter

 

[AnandaHya]

So you are clarifying your statement

So there is no age thing 30+ in the flesh before you are ready to preach the gospel, and there is no age thinks 30 + in the spirit before you are ready to preach the gospel

But you do have to wait until you are spiritually mature enough &#8220;is that right?&#8221;

Now when do you decide the waiting is over?

YOU don't decide, God does.

He places in your heart what needs to be done even when you may not be fully mature and you either chose to do it or don't.

You still have not recognized the role a preacher or teacher plays in the maturity of young Christians but I'm not too surprised.

Ephesians 4
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head&#8212;Christ&#8212; 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

what is maturity?

the ability to discern good and evil which is done by practicing discernment and being grounded in sound doctrine with wisdom from Above and not of this world so that you are not swayed by false doctrine or any spirit not from God be it in flesh or not.

most don't even know what it means to be an oracle of God much less speak as one.

can you list the basic principles?

Hebrews 5
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

 

[Kyouken]

He dose play a big part here, but what better place to preach the gospel than where he plays a big part.

Love from peter

True, true.

 

[peterT]

YOU don't decide, God does.

He places in your heart what needs to be done even when you may not be fully mature and you either chose to do it or don't.

You still have not recognized the role a preacher or teacher plays in the maturity of young Christians but I'm not too surprised.


what is maturity?

the ability to discern good and evil which is done by practicing discernment and being grounded in sound doctrine with wisdom from Above and not of this world so that you are not swayed by false doctrine or any spirit not from God be it in flesh or not.

most don't even know what it means to be an oracle of God much less speak as one.

can you list the basic principles?

Personally I think it’s you that still have not recognized the role a preacher or teacher plays in the maturity of young Christians.

You may not preach the gospel as you said.

But I do, and have from the very beginning. And 1000s upon 1000s of young Christians do too.

Christianity would not have savvied for the last 2000 years or would not come this far without young Christians preaching the gospel.

Young Christians they don’t have to have a full knowledge of God’s word or even be fully mature, all they have to do is be on fire for the Lord and preach some salvation verses.

I hate to think what it would be like If we all waited to be fully mature before we preached salvation throw Jesus.

Mark Chapter 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

For without a preacher they cannot hear.

Romans10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?