Suicidal thoughts/actions

[Ariel82]

You my dear, have me concern.........................don't give up. ......the Joy we find in Christ may not be from this world but lives in our hearts NOW in this life. God gives us breath for a reason and if He wanted us back home with Him, He would be able to call us home, without us jumping off a cliff. ................................................................................If they know the truth of God's love then they should not feel despair about it...that was the truth I was referring to...............................anyway you are in my prayers David.................................................I will pray that God eases your pain and shows you why He would have you stay in this world for a while longer..........................................

"break free of any lies that make them feel such despair"
Sometimes the truth makes them feel such despair

"Joy that can be found in Christ."
The joy we find in Christ is not of this world nor in this life.

Some may say that those who are suicidal need psychiatric help. Others may think you would have to be crazy, to want to continue living with the existing conditions, and a promise of only worse in this life. This is especially true, when there is great hope in the next life, and none in this one.

 

[Tommy4Christ]

Before I start I just want to say that I'm not looking for help here, there's only one deity that can do that and I'm still waiting, I just recently saw a thread called Suicide and I wanted to see yours and others opinion on this matter while talking to an actual suicidal person. After all, if I have to do one thing before I die I'll at least help some people learn to talk to an actual suicidal person without making the situation worse.

So just put what your feelings on the matter is, if you think a person who commits suicide will go to hell, or what you would say to a suicidal person.

Only rule: if you're going to quote scripture, can you please translate it because there's an 85 percent chance I'll misinterpret it (I'm only 14 after all)

Thank you for your time, I know I might be waisting it.

Gal 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20
idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21
envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes God is a God of great mercy, but you must understand His words ring true, satan wants Gods children to commit suicide, but you have a choice to do this and guard your heart against the lies of satan, self murder is great sin against God, and those who do it will not inherit the kingdom of God!

Jas 4:7 Therefore submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Jas 4:8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, sinners; and purify your hearts, double-minded ones.
Jas 4:9 Be afflicted, and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to heaviness.
Jas 4:10 Be humbled before the Lord, and He will lift you up.

 

[Dekote]

Gal 5:19
Yes God is a God of great mercy, but you must understand His words ring true, satan wants Gods children to commit suicide, but you have a choice to do this and guard your heart against the lies of satan, self murder is great sin against God, and those who do it will not inherit the kingdom of God!

Well I guess I just happened to be targeted when I was 7 and God wont do shit. It really makes me mad when someone talks like that because it just proves he doesn't care

 

[Meshullam]

Well I guess I just happened to be targeted when I was 7 and God wont do shit. It really makes me mad when someone talks like that because it just proves he doesn't care

It proves the person talking and saying it doesn't care.

But God has NEVER said what this man just said.

 

[Ariel82]

Dekote, God cares.... the one who said such things? doubt he will even return to this thread.

 

[Meshullam]

gal 5:19

Manifest moreover are the actions of human nature, which are promiscuity, impurity, lewdness, worship of false-images, 'enchantment', hostility, contention, over-zealousness and rivalry, wrath, divisive-ambition, dissension, discord, grudges, deep-drinking, riotous partying and things like these; as to which I have told you beforehand, that those who require such things don't acquire the rule of God.

Well of course they don't. That's obvious. The 'kingdom (or rule, or 'sovereignty')' of God isn't outside us. As Jesus says 'it isn't something we will point at'. It's within.

Anyone who practices these things, isn't a true 'subject' of God, not within.


And we can't become TRUE subjects of God until we die anyway. We're all in a sinful state, that's the point. But 'He who dies is freed from the state of sin'.

What we do on Earth, is for 'reverance' and 'respect' for God, of our choice to be subservient in THIS life. Not for a 'place in some mystical land'. It is for to play our part in the kingdom of God.

And what is 'the Kingdom of God'? the kingdom of God is of peace, love and joy, in the spirit of holiness.

When we have holy minds, and holy thoughts, and holy actions, in other words, a spirit of holiness, spirit of good-will, then we attain peace love and joy. That's the lesson.

Learning love and compassion leads to true peace, even if we aren't 'perfect' in this life. In our state, we can only 'do our best'. Nobody is without sin.

'For he who says he is without sin is deceived, the truth is not with him'.

Heaven means 'elevations'. IT is a state of being, not a place. Not far off 'enlightenment'.

We will be in the state of 'heaven', or 'enlightened', but as the bible tells us, we shall live on 'Gan Eden', or renewed Earth.

Go ask an old Jew about these things. They know a lot more about this stuff than Christians seem to these days. And Jesus would have known these concepts the way the Jews would have. 'Gehinom' and all that.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Before I start I just want to say that I'm not looking for help here, there's only one deity that can do that and I'm still waiting, I just recently saw a thread called Suicide and I wanted to see yours and others opinion on this matter while talking to an actual suicidal person. After all, if I have to do one thing before I die I'll at least help some people learn to talk to an actual suicidal person without making the situation worse.

So just put what your feelings on the matter is, if you think a person who commits suicide will go to hell, or what you would say to a suicidal person.

Only rule: if you're going to quote scripture, can you please translate it because there's an 85 percent chance I'll misinterpret it (I'm only 14 after all)

Thank you for your time, I know I might be waisting it.

Dekote. . .please think. When someone kills themself - their loved ones are left behind to wonder why you didn't come to them and talk to them. Why you didn't give them the chance to help you? or Why you even did it in the first place. My older brother committed suicide. He had a lot of things going on in his life that really troubled him. . .He called me (I can't remember exactly) about 6-8 months before he did this and he apologized to me for some things that had happened when we were kids. . I didn't get it. . .I excepted his apology for which I am very thankful that I did but if he had just talked to me and told me what was going through his head - maybe I could have helped him.

Anyway, I know that saying God loves you, give it to God, trust in him, etc. seem like just empty platitudes but they aren't. Please do not let anything of this world bring you to the point of taking your life. . .you'll let the devil win; he's here only to steal, kill and destroy your life. . and there is nothing and I mean nothing in this world worth losing your life over. . . .

By the way, I don't know what judgment will be placed upon my brother. . .It's sad but I don't know if he was born again or not. . .I don't think he was. . .

 

[NateDaGrimes]

and dekote lets try to make this a rated pg zone please... there are some children here or other people that dont want to read any form of swearing. btw bible still talks against swearing so i kinda recommend you to try not to swear since we are a living testimony of Christ.

 

[Dekote]

Oh, I'm sorry, when I'm really upset I forget about things like that. I'll stop, sorry if I offended anyone.

 

[Graybeard]

Dekote
It is not that God does not give a sh......, I used to think that and the thought sometimes crosses my mind. I am the sought of person that thinks the whole world is against me, many occasions I just want to exit this dunghole of a world. The only thing that has kept me from doing it is the thought of how it would effect my kids...think how it will effect those around you.

One thing I have come to realise is that all the thoughts of God not caring and so on is purely caused from A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HIM, so for me when I have these thoughts I remind myself that it is me that is being selfish and not understanding who God is and what He has really done to get me back. I remind myself constantly that Gods ways are not my ways and also that there is really a devil that is trying he's utter best to pull me further and further away from Truth. Our minds can be our worst enemy when we dwell on negative thoughts all the time, although they are just thoughts they will bit by bit start effecting our physical bodies and the way we live.

you HAVE to understand that taking ones own life is selfish....it took me a while to accept it I hated that phrase for a long time.
Try to understand also that God is not bound by time, we live in a world that we want everything today, we have lost some good qualities such as patients and endurance. When it seems like God is not doing anything it may take awhile to happen....remember you are but just 14........hang in there, there are lots like us who do everyday.

 

[Hungry]

Decote, first off I think there is significance to the fact that elder1 post made it here three times. In the Bible when something was extremely important it was repeated three times. I think that in itself is worth thinking about. I have a daughter who is the same age as you and whether she was sick or not I would be devastated if she took a single day away from us. I knew a lady who has a child named Faith because the doctors told her she might as well abort her baby because even if her child was born alive it would be severely retarded. She told the doctor she would have the baby anyway and her daughter arrived perfectly healthy, from from any defect. Doctors aren't always accurate. Have you heard the term psychosomatic. It means if you think you have something you might start noticing symptoms of an illness, even if you don't have it. There is a spirit of hopelessness in the teens today. Are you already taking medicine? I know this wasn't a prayer request but I feel compelled to do so. Heavenly Father please embrace this child and glorify Your Name in her Lord. Give her a sense of peace and comfort. Lord lift her up and heal her so she will be a testament of your awesomeness to the people in her life. Please Lord draw her near to You, call her name and fill her with wonder of Your majesty. Nothing is too great for You Lord and I beg of You to do this for Your servant. I ask and thank You for this in Jesus Name. Amen

 

[yac11]

Dekote,

I feel compelled to share this with you. Though you don't know me from adam, I am sincere in my message. I want you to know what I learned right after I got out of high school. That there is a God, and he is watching us all. I have been witness to his power. Here is part of my story.

I was in a car accident with my mother when I was 18. My mother didn't make it, and I had a broken pelvis (besides many other injuries) that had me on my back for 7 straight weeks. I missed her funeral. I had a lot of time to think in that hospital. I was the driver in that accident and when I learned my mother didn't make it, my heart died that day. Not only for the loss of one's own mother but because I was the driver and responsible for her safety. Though I never did drugs and never drank, I was responsible and couldn't remember what happened. As hard as I tried I couldn't remember. The only thing I remembered over and over and over again, was 2 weeks prior she told me, that she just wanted to die! I asked her, "Don't you want to seem me get married one day?", she replied, "When your in this much pain, you don't think about those things." I was so sad because every girl wants her mom esp. when she gets married. She had been clinically depressed for over 5 years. It made the whole family ill.

When I returned home, everyone one else seemed to have adjusted and I was in a new strange world. I was told my mothers things were in my room in boxes. Perhaps I wanted some of them. When I started to go through the boxes no one came to be with me. The first thing I found was my tassel from my cap when I graduated high school months earlier. I had hung it on my rear view mirror. It was covered in blood. Why would they save this for me? My heart felt like it was pulled from my chest.

Fast forward a couple of more months....I found myself in the family house all alone late at night as my dad and brothers went out of town. I was a mess. I allowed myself to go to that dark place deep down inside and thought about committing suicide right then and there. I was all alone and no one cared about me. I began to look at family slides of our trips and became angrier and angrier at my mom for wanting to die, and for what ever I did or didn't do. So I yelled up at the ceiling and said " Are you happy now, cause I'm not, give me a sign that your happy now!". When I said that, I wasn't expecting a reply and though I was hoping that my mother was in heaven, I had never thought of heaven till that moment. I didn't grow knowing anything about the bible, I didn't understand Jesus or what sin was and was only taken to church a handful of times. I hadn't even thought about a God since my last bedtime prayer at age 6. Though we celebrated Christmas and Easter, it was about the gifts and the candy. Not about the WHY. The point again is.....I wasn't asking for God to hear me...but he is listening to us all. He just doesn't answer everyone and though I was lucky, I am not loved anymore or any less than you. Everything is in His timing.

I am telling you that I got a answer to my question immediately and she is happier now. It blew me away. I was witness to an incredible sight and it was of God. Upon the return of my family, I told my father. He dismissed me and my story. My self esteem went down more in the years to follow, life happened to me. When life handed me lemons instead of wanting to quit life, I remembered that night and I started praying to God because he gave me an incredible gift. He took away the guilt and released me from my responsibility of killing my mother. I wouldn't be where I am today had it not been for that night. I shared this because I am an older lady now who God has since blessed again twice. Now, I walk with Jesus and I am His and serve Him. I want you to believe us all and every reply you read are those that love you because He Loves Us.

Repent of your sins and make Jesus your Lord and Savior if you haven't already. Have no expectations of God and begin a relationship with him and I will pray you will come to know Him and love Him above all others. God Bless

 

[Domenic]

Suicide? Suicide is murder. The taking of a life is murder, even if it is your own life. I don't recall meeting any kid around your age, including when I was 14, who did not think of Suicide. I don't know if it's because of the body changes we grow through or what?. Will you go to hell if you commit a self murder? Hell is the comman grave of mankind. All who die go to the common grave. It's not a place of hell fire. It is just plain dead. No thought, nothing but your dead body in the ground. The only way out is if God brings you back to life. If a person commented self murder, and after they died could see their future, and found it would have been a great wonderful life, we both know what they would say, "Darn it, why didn't somebody tell me it was going to be wonderfull." In less then four years, you darling will be a legel adult. Your life won't be the same as it is now. That youn lady of your future has a right to her life...do you have the right to take her life away? She wants to learn how to ride a horse. She wants to dance in a field of flowers on a spring day with the young man she loves. She wants to have a husband, and childern. Some day she may be a teacher, and a young girl in her class confesses to her...she is thinking of suicide, and she will understand, and know how to give the love that is needed.

 

[Dekote]

Have you met a 8 year old concidering suicide.
And if hell is death then there is no way I won't do it, I want death!

And I killed any asperations years ago. Anytime I say I have any is a lie to family so they don't find out. I also hate kids and the thought of putting anouther kid like me, or worse, my parents. And everytime I hear someone say I'll have a husband I wounder if they realize how unlikely that is.

 

[NateDaGrimes]

yet you are young and some day may actually want a kid lol... i like kids but im trying to develope my own patience for the younglings.

also if you hate kids... arent you a kid? dont you hate yourself too lol. technically people under 18 are still considered kids except there teens so teenage kids. xD