"Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christians

[PeterJens]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

I love diversity.

Everyone who exalts Christ and follows, amen.

If the church was not as it is, it would not be the church. We are a people called to
express from the heart, so there are as many different expressions as there are people.

If you ever see seed sown in a field you will know the odd places it can spring up and
prosper. The great thing is the principles are not that difficult to get into ones soul,
and the sheep will follow.

But we always want to correct, to proclaim, to decry, to pick holes.
Jesus came, made friends, showed love and left, knowing it would spread.
And it has.

 

[Mooky]

Re: "Super Duper" Christians - Cultists, Charismatics and Non-Denominational Christi

You really need to find a PCA church in your area. You will find boldness preached humbly. No subtleness is required. Clear is the only thing that works for me, because I don't get subtle. And I spent the first 20 years of my walk with Christ trying to be unobtrusive. No one ever got I was a Christian. They thought I was nice. Nice doesn't save.

Nice doesn't save.Amen.Couldn't agree more.Only the preaching of the gospel and a holy life can have an impact through which God can do His saving.

 

[Depleted]

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If I showed myself to not be humble then I apologize I am human and even I can mess up, but you misunderstand I was not arguing IF jesus was God I was arguing if the belief he was would make one saved or not saved

Ah, sorry. I got the wrong signals.

No, believing he is or isn't God doesn't save. He saves. Salvation is a one-moment event given to us by Jesus. (Compared to anything we do to "earn" it, including believe.) After that comes the part where we learn who we married. If we don't come to believe he's God, then we aren't married. That's one of those things that signals if we are or aren't his.

 

[Depleted]

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You cannot go to churches to find truth, but to scripture and history. History can also be unreliable for by reporting only one side of something the history can be distorted, even when it is truthful. It takes wise study to find God's message of truth.

I found that people who had studied the deep sea scrolls had learned many truths that had been forgotten because so many centuries separated us from the times scripture speaks of. Anyone I listen to with respect must tie the OT and NT together, never saying that one can be entire truth without the other. If I find a doctrine that does not seem to fit the truth of the Lord I search history to find out where that idea came from and why, I search everything in scripture that applies.

Maybe you picked the wrong church to go to then.

We've been to churches that teach nothing but scripture. We also learn from scripture itself, and study through commentaries from trusted scholars. I'm not really smart enough to get it on my own.

I also don't think doctrine can be missing truth. If it is, it's not doctrine. It's someone's opinion. Doctrine is that precious moment when learned, Christian men come together to fight tooth-and-nail over the Bible until they hit consensus. Trinity is doctrine. Jesus being both fully man and fully God is doctrine. Seven day creation is doctrine. How that happened is still argued about because it's not doctrine.

There is something important that happens by belonging to a church. We are reigned in on what we think through the edification of each other.

I think you and I have something in common -- the inability to go to church. Fortunately, there are forums like this where we can still join in on edifying. I'm with you. I don't buy everything I read and hear, but I don't discount it all either. (Only what deserves to be discounted. lol)

 

[Depleted]

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I_was_patted_on_the_head_and_told_oh_when_I_was_your_age_I_did_not_know_anything_either.
Then_told_I_was_unwise_for_my_religon. Then told it was crap.
I did not ask for an opinion about my beliefs which is not known here.
Insulting someone for their religion does not show maturity or wisdom but the opposite.
I was not going to let that go without being corrected. Especially considering it was simply because I experienced something she hasnt. The miracles those kinds of crazy people speak of. Its the only church I have seen real miracles.
And for those who mock those people I really feel bad for. And those who mock me I am thankful for.

Sooooo, mocking people you perceive as mockers is the proper response even without judging if it was mocking?

Yeah, okay, child. (THAT was a mock!)

Here you go:
1. I tease everyone under 60. The kids catch it's a tease quickly. People over 30 enjoy it (usually), because they get to think they're young again.

2. I told you you landed in a good church so stay. And yet now you pretend like I told you something bad about your church?

3. I have been speaking up for the RCC, and, to some extent, the Pentecostals, because I know God has his people in those churches. How do I know that? I was one of those people chosen in both types of churches.

3. I've been miraculously healed. God actually used me, (much to my surprise), to heal someone else. He has used my husband to heal someone else. (That one doesn't surprise me, because hubby laid hands on me when I was healed, but I wasn't the only one he did that to.) God gave me new life when I slept. He turned hubby from an atheist with such a big grudge against God that he was just starting to plan the murder of the woman who was teaching him what the Bible said. And THEN God gave him new life in his sleep and he woke up born again. I have a friend who hated his dad so much for both being a Christian and for asking a woman to marry him that was close to my friends age, so he planned to shoot his father and his new bride on his wedding day in that church. He had the gun in the back of his waistband. Instead, God gave him new life from the preaching of his word at the ceremony. Hubby had friend who was a missionary in Kenya, but was a cessationist. (He didn't believe in the gift of tongues.) One day, he was talking in front of his congregation, (and his missionary work was teaching men of God how to be pastors, so the men before him were already believers, (and probably cessationists too), when two of the men who knew very well started talking "gibberish." Really freaky "gibberish" too, because it was guttural, and with clicks, and grunts in it. The friend had to decide what to do in that moment, since he didn't believe in tongues, yet these were friends of his, so he had some trust with them. At that moment he decided to confront them and tell them to stop, another voice rang out in the back. A man was shouting a translation of what the two were saying. How did he know? He was from southern Africa, and they were speaking his ancestral tongue -- a language the youth in his tribe were giving up learning, but he was one of a very few people who still understood it. The two he translated for had no clue what they were saying. And in November 2015, hubby had such a bad heart attack, then went from there to pneumonia, from pneumonia straight to a worse infection, (40 on a white blood count usually means the person will die. His count was 47), and from that infection to his kidneys shut down for three days, so they could not give him a replacement valve in his heart (he blew out the original valve so hard it took heart muscle with it), until he recovered enough to endure the open-heart surgery. On December 23rd, he finally had that surgery. I was told numerous times "he's dying," "prepare yourself," "I am the intensivist in charge of a 35-bed ICU ward, and your husband is the sickest patient I have. That first night, he had a 10% chance of surviving. Tonight he has a 50% chance." I heard it. I knew what they were saying. And even now, his doctors, nurses, and therapists burst into radiant grins when they see him, because he is The-Man-Who-Should-Not-Be-Alive! (He's watching football and exercising a few feet in front of me.) So, really? I don't believe in miracles?

I was teasing you because I thought you were old enough to enjoy it. Now, I know. You are truly a child!

That's not a mock. That's reality!

And I just corrected you, yet again, because you never did correct me. THAT is a mock!

See the difference?

 

[BROROB]

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Seems to me every denomination has a bad case of we are the only ones right and everyone else is going to hell.....and self righteous folks wanting to pick up stones and attack anyone different from themselves.....its really sad.....my question is simple......if you have truth would Jesus want you to laugh at others without this truth? or would Jesus want you to use wisdom to help them know and understand this truth?.....

 

[Blik]

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I think you and I have something in common -- the inability to go to church. Fortunately, there are forums like this where we can still join in on edifying. I'm with you. I don't buy everything I read and hear, but I don't discount it all either. (Only what deserves to be discounted. lol)

It is so wonderful to have this forum where we can discuss scripture and listen to people who think it tells us something different than our understanding. That way we know where we can go to scripture to test our beliefs.

But I find churches with their fellowship wonderful too, even when I disagree with them.

But I still do not find it wrong for me to think that Christ is God and was from the beginning. Christ as God even gave us the blood of animals for atonement as symbolic of His blood and told us exactly what that blood would do in Leviticus. The blood scripture tells us of in the gospels does all these in a perfect way, fulfilling as scripture tells us.

Christ was part of God when God spoke to Moses on Mt Sinai. Christ is NOT a new God. I feel absolutely positive that these beliefs are truth.

 

[JesusRules1]

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It is so wonderful to have this forum where we can discuss scripture and listen to people who think it tells us something different than our understanding. That way we know where we can go to scripture to test our beliefs.

But I find churches with their fellowship wonderful too, even when I disagree with them.

But I still do not find it wrong for me to think that Christ is God and was from the beginning. Christ as God even gave us the blood of animals for atonement as symbolic of His blood and told us exactly what that blood would do in Leviticus. The blood scripture tells us of in the gospels does all these in a perfect way, fulfilling as scripture tells us.

Christ was part of God when God spoke to Moses on Mt Sinai. Christ is NOT a new God. I feel absolutely positive that these beliefs are truth.

Christ is not a new God,and He is God manifest in the flesh,the only way we can see the invisible God.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Jesus is not a created God.

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Jesus has no beginning,which Jesus is made after the order of Melchizedek forever,who was without natural descent,without father or mother,having neither beginning of days,or end of life.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is an invisible God,whom no person can see,and no person will ever see Him,who showed us a visible manifestation of Himself.

Jesus is the name that is above all names,not only in this world but in the world to come.Jehovah represents physical deliverance,and physical blessings,and Jesus represents spiritual deliverance,and spiritual blessings.Jesus is above the name Jehovah,but includes the name Jehovah,and this is God's name as revealed to us.

 

[Blik]

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Jesus is the name that is above all names,not only in this world but in the world to come.Jehovah represents physical deliverance,and physical blessings,and Jesus represents spiritual deliverance,and spiritual blessings.Jesus is above the name Jehovah,but includes the name Jehovah,and this is God's name as revealed to us.

You have brought out some wonderful scriptures about the identity of Christ.

Jesus is not above the Lord, as I suppose you mean by "Jehovah". Jesus sits on the right hand of God the Father.

Acts 7:55-56 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
The right hand of God is used figuratively to show the power and majesty of God. The phrase ‘right hand’ is even used in figuratively in English, for example, “he’s my right hand man”. There are many verses of scripture that use the phrase ‘right hand’ in reference to power.