Teaching in Parables
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Nope.
LOL
Actually it conveys that part of the torment was to see the saved folks enjoying what the lost folks would never have.
As long as you protect your preconceived doctrine you are happy. Eisegesis not exegesis.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
LOL
Actually it conveys that part of the torment was to see the saved folks enjoying what the lost folks would never have.
And as I have said before, I am not a JW or SDA. I am a Christian who believes that the Bible teaches that when people die, they are dead.
I'll probably be slammed six ways from Sunday for this "heresy".
That's OK.
I'll probably be slammed six ways from Sunday for this "heresy".
That's OK.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Since you can't find the verse I asked about, how about showing me where in that parable it said the rich man was "evil"... or even where it said the begger was a "good man." You cannot. Because just like there being nothing anywhere in the Bible about a restriction on using a name in parables, there is nothing, anywhere about what kind of person either of them were. And we are not even mentioning that no judgement had yet occurred when Jesus told that parable... so an "evil" man would not have been in Hell...... nor, a "good" one in Heaven. They would have both simply been in their graves, awaiting Jesus' return.
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It also demonstrates that the people on the "good" side of hades could hear the screams of those in torments on the "bad" side of hades. Is that how you envision Paradise?
Do you really believe Abraham had spent ~1900 years in Paradise fending off questions or requests of those in eternal torments? Surely the rich man in the parable wouldn't have been the only one with questions or requests.
I'm used to your put-downs, Roger. They seem to be your biggest defense mechanism.
It's not "my preconceived doctrine", nor is it a matter of "being happy". It is what I believe the scriptures teach.
Do you really believe Abraham had spent ~1900 years in Paradise fending off questions or requests of those in eternal torments? Surely the rich man in the parable wouldn't have been the only one with questions or requests.
I'm used to your put-downs, Roger. They seem to be your biggest defense mechanism.
It's not "my preconceived doctrine", nor is it a matter of "being happy". It is what I believe the scriptures teach.
So would one of you who know the path of God would help me with this question regarding he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him, what would be the one unction of these two?
What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind? Luke 7:24
But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Luke 7:25
What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind? Luke 7:24
But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Luke 7:25
We walk by faith the eternal unseen and not by sight the temporal as that literally seen.
Parables are the poetic language that God speaks to His creation. Without parable the word of God speaks not. They are not subject to time restraints or cultural differences as if the word of God was an oral tradition of men called private interpretations..
It’s a parable dead men do not have tongues to speak or have a desire to eat bread and hide from dogs. The dead know nothing.
It teaches us to walk by faith as in respect to all things written in the law and the prophets .Same kind of parable used in a vision of Moses and Elijah to represent all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) There bodies of death that died as their spirits returned to God have long ago returned to the lifeless, spiritual dust it was formed of.
When the dead in Christ arise the former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind. Death in the twinkling of the eye provides universal Alzheimer’s.No after life for those who have not been born again.
There are different kind of parables for different situations. Some historically true, used as shadows that preach the gospel beforehand that were used for a temporal time period.
The whole Leviticus temporal form of government was used as a parable for a time period formerly present. God gave them over temporally to do what they should not. Everything in the temple was used to represent something to do with the gospel not seen in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did come at the time of reformation..
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure/parable for the “time” then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation".(Not to continue after the reformation)But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: Heb 9:8
Shadows are not the literal, unseen substance. The veil is still rent.
Yes and chains and time (thousand years), bottom less pits . keys , headless souls etc .etc
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:1-5
The same resurrection up until the last day, the final.
Parables are the poetic language that God speaks to His creation. Without parable the word of God speaks not. They are not subject to time restraints or cultural differences as if the word of God was an oral tradition of men called private interpretations..
It’s a parable dead men do not have tongues to speak or have a desire to eat bread and hide from dogs. The dead know nothing.
It teaches us to walk by faith as in respect to all things written in the law and the prophets .Same kind of parable used in a vision of Moses and Elijah to represent all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) There bodies of death that died as their spirits returned to God have long ago returned to the lifeless, spiritual dust it was formed of.
When the dead in Christ arise the former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind. Death in the twinkling of the eye provides universal Alzheimer’s.No after life for those who have not been born again.
There are different kind of parables for different situations. Some historically true, used as shadows that preach the gospel beforehand that were used for a temporal time period.
The whole Leviticus temporal form of government was used as a parable for a time period formerly present. God gave them over temporally to do what they should not. Everything in the temple was used to represent something to do with the gospel not seen in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did come at the time of reformation..
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure/parable for the “time” then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the "time of reformation".(Not to continue after the reformation)But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: Heb 9:8
Shadows are not the literal, unseen substance. The veil is still rent.
Yes and chains and time (thousand years), bottom less pits . keys , headless souls etc .etc
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:1-5
The same resurrection up until the last day, the final.
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There are many levels of evil, and the Bible shows the level of sin and evil that was present in the rich man.
There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Was the rich man violating the laws of God? Absolutely. He was hedonistic, self-centered, and hard-hearted, despising Lazarus and not lifting a finger to bring food or medical relief to him, as we can see above. And he was sinning against God and man according to James.
But ye have despised the poor... But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. (Jas 2:6,9)
Since only those who trusted in God were deemed righteous, and could be in Abraham's bosom, once again you are off track. Again, please note from James 2:5, that Lazarus was trusting in God:
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
The "restriction" is found in the way the parables are presented. They are generic and do not name names, since they are using everyday things and incidents to illustrate spiritual truths. However, in the case of the Rich Man and Lazarus, we actually have people who are named and a very specific dialogue to reveal the nature of Hades for those who are unrighteous, as well as to show where the righteous were until the resurrection of Christ.
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Many real names are used as parables.
The name God named Moses (drawn out) No mam can come unless the father draws them out. ) Moses represents the law of God that does draw us.(not literally Moses law )
While the name Elijah as another type represents the unseen Spirit or power authority of the letter of the law called the law of faith (.not literally the power of Elijah).
The parable in Luke 15 is a companion to the transfiguration parable in Luke 9 .(all things writen in the law and the prophets .The two witnesses needed to believe one God.
Moses and Elijah literal bodies have long been corrupted and returned to the dust.
The real name Abraham as another type is used to represent our real Father of spirits in the heaven not seen call the “bosom of Abraham” again to represent the unseen father of many nation. Josef who God purposed his named is used to represent “he who adds “. Where Job as a another type of hated in respect to Christ hated of all men . All the names that God named His people are used in parables to represent the unseen principle of faith.
We walk by faith the unseen eternal and not by sight after that literally seen ,the temporal .
The right prescription must be applied when looking for the spiritual, meaning of parables.
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
There is no prescription that says; if the literal makes sense ...disregard 2 Corinthians 4:18, as if it was not there to give us his understand hid from natural man that must walk after that seen the literal. The apostate Jews that showed themselves as antichrists were required to walk after that seen the literal, as sign seekers . Christ called them the blind leading the blind or the dead that bury their own dead..they stumbled over the cross.
The unseen wisdom of God hid from the world is found in parables..Not by walking after the the literal...as that seen
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;1Co 1:21
Its the father of lies, the one who turns things upside down.The one who does want us to look to the literal and make the spiritual meaning to no effect in order to take away the understanding of faith.
Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?.
The name God named Moses (drawn out) No mam can come unless the father draws them out. ) Moses represents the law of God that does draw us.(not literally Moses law )
While the name Elijah as another type represents the unseen Spirit or power authority of the letter of the law called the law of faith (.not literally the power of Elijah).
The parable in Luke 15 is a companion to the transfiguration parable in Luke 9 .(all things writen in the law and the prophets .The two witnesses needed to believe one God.
Moses and Elijah literal bodies have long been corrupted and returned to the dust.
The real name Abraham as another type is used to represent our real Father of spirits in the heaven not seen call the “bosom of Abraham” again to represent the unseen father of many nation. Josef who God purposed his named is used to represent “he who adds “. Where Job as a another type of hated in respect to Christ hated of all men . All the names that God named His people are used in parables to represent the unseen principle of faith.
We walk by faith the unseen eternal and not by sight after that literally seen ,the temporal .
The right prescription must be applied when looking for the spiritual, meaning of parables.
2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
There is no prescription that says; if the literal makes sense ...disregard 2 Corinthians 4:18, as if it was not there to give us his understand hid from natural man that must walk after that seen the literal. The apostate Jews that showed themselves as antichrists were required to walk after that seen the literal, as sign seekers . Christ called them the blind leading the blind or the dead that bury their own dead..they stumbled over the cross.
The unseen wisdom of God hid from the world is found in parables..Not by walking after the the literal...as that seen
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;1Co 1:21
Its the father of lies, the one who turns things upside down.The one who does want us to look to the literal and make the spiritual meaning to no effect in order to take away the understanding of faith.
Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?.