The antichrist

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If you were Satan, and wanted to present yourself as the Christ, and destroy the belief in God...how would you do it?
 
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If you were Satan, and wanted to present yourself as the Christ, and destroy the belief in God...how would you do it?
During our history involving segregation, what was the difference between a black man and a white man?
 
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So what does that have to do with the OP?
 
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This is a microcosm of the larger issue of how satan deceives. Not by the content of a man's character (heart) but by the color of a man's skin (his appearance). I'm trying to use something that most of us can either relate to or understand. This is how satan comes as a false christ. He looks like a lamb (by appearance) but he speaks (out of his heart his fruit is known) as a dragon.
 
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If you were Satan, and wanted to present yourself as the Christ, and destroy the belief in God...how would you do it?

Is this just a hypothetical question or do you believe there is one big bad antichrist aka satan that rules in the end?

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can see from the only 4 verses in scripture that use term antichrist or antichrists, antichrist is a spirit or a person that denies Christ and there are many. Many people point to 1John2:18 and say he said antichrist shall come. When in actuality he tells them “ye have heard that antichrist shall come”. But then they neglect the fact that even though they heard this he also told us exactly what to expect when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world”

Concerning antichrists, satan’s ploy has worked, most in today’s world are so busy looking over their shoulder for some ficticous boogeyman they fail to recognize the literally billions of antichrist that surround us in today’s world. Sad isn’t it!
 
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Show up just as it says in Rev 13. perform superatural miricals and then in 2nd thess claim to be God. also in Rev 13, fix a broken one world system and make it work. etc. just like God says it will happen. In ezekiel 28, he is adressed as the king and prince of tyrus ,there it shows he is supernatural created by God and was a cherub . perfect in wisdom and beauty . etc he wount have a hard time convicing anyone, because no one even believes he exist. because no one listens to Christs warnings. if rapture is what people want, thats what hell give em in my opinion,.
Christ said antchrist is comming first. and that real Chist is comming after anitchrist 5 month reign ( rev )
 
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If you were Satan, and wanted to present yourself as the Christ, and destroy the belief in God...how would you do it?
Get people to worship him as God, and that would destroy your belief in the real God.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
 
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If you were Satan, and wanted to present yourself as the Christ, and destroy the belief in God...how would you do it?
Good question, but the answer lies in the church system today, I call it satans masterpiece, but most who profess Christ call it truth!

Most are under the strong delusion God promised to send to those who love not the truth, and most of the bible pundits you may be following today preach a false salvation message, such as Billy Graham, and all those who promote reformed doctrines,

Have you received the mark?

The Mark of the Beast!

He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev13:16-17

What you need to understand clearly is that the Present day church System is already under the control of the Beast. But the Beast is NOT some Worldly dictator as everyone is suspecting. Actually the Beast John was shown in Rev13 is the Church System gone fully apostate. It’s not merely the Catholic System as many have identified over the years, but the ENTIRE professing Christian religious establishment, all preaching the Message of the Beast!



John was also shown an IMAGE created by the Beast that lives and breaths and causes everyone (in the System) to bow down to it in Worship and ‘Receive’ a Mark on the Right hand or Forehead. This IMAGE has the appearance of a Lamb but speaks the language of the Dragon through an Army of false teachers convinced that the IMAGE they have created is really Jesus Christ! This False Jesus is the focal point of Present day professing Christianity. What He represents to them is the Fallacy of Reformed theology.



According to this IMAGE the people can be ‘Saved in their sins’, Receive a Magic Moral Transfer of Christ’s Righteousness and Obedience, have their sins forgiven in advance and be made eternally secure in their vile and sinful condition. As the Rev13 passage says: ‘He CAUSES them to Receive a mark’, this Army of False teachers are dispensing this Mark as a GIFT on all who will receive it! The expression John is using is a Metaphor, (look it up!) Meaning: a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”

The common Message today is ‘Receive Jesus as your personal Savior’ by repeating a series of words repeated after the Pastor or someone supposedly leading you to the Lord. But what they are actually receiving is the IMAGE of Jesus created by the Dragon who has appeared to professing Christianity as the LAMB! (or a wolf in sheep’s clothing, Matt7:15) This is the Strong Delusion spoken of in 2Thess2:10.

How does the Mark of the Beast play into this? That’s the part FEW (if any) can understand.



The Mark is dispensed either on the Forehead or Right hand and no one is forced to take it. They freely receive it as a gift form the great Beast Image they bow down to. Everyone is expecting some kind of Physical Mark in the form of modern technology. (a chip or implant of some sort) So everyone is looking in the WRONG place for this to come to pass. The Real Mark is ‘Spiritual’ in nature and consists of a false Gospel Message that you can be ‘saved in your sins’.



Where is the Mark Dispensed?

On the ‘Forehead’ or ‘Right Hand’ To Understand this note the following Translation:

Forehead (used only in the Book of Revelation) Is two Greek Words:

Meta: Meaning, ‘With’

Ops: Meaning, ‘An Eye’ “Literally: ‘With an Eye.’ Or ‘Within the Eye of the Mind!’

Jesus said in Matt5:27-30:
You have heard that it was said to those of old ‘You shall not commit adultery. But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

The extreme importance of Crucifying the flesh with its passions and desires is expressed throughout Scripture. It is the VERY essence of real Repentance. Without it NO ONE can be truly Saved. The body of sin MUST be done away with in repentance, die with Christ, once and for all to the old man and be raised to the Newness of life in the Spirit. (Rom6:4-6, Gal5:24)



However the IMAGE that has taken full control of professing Christianity has removed this essential step from the Salvation process and replaced with the MARK. What is the Mark? Simply: the ‘evil eye’ of the flesh, fixed on the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life! (1John2:15-17) Bowing to the IMAGE is the refusal to Cut off the evil eye or hand and cast it from you. Instead you retain the evil within and call it your ‘sin nature’.

The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! Matt6:22-23

Again Christ points to this Mark of the flesh: “What comes out of a man that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.” Mk7:20-23



Sin enters into the Mind through the Eyes (2Pet2:14) You take possession of it when the desire (lust) united with the will. (James1:14-16, you latch on to it and perform the act!) This is why the Double-minded cannot enter into the Kingdom. (Js1:8) But under the IMAGE this has been Reversed! The Mark, (your own evil eye of the flesh) is retained and you ‘receive’ it as a Gift of eternal life. Herein is how the professing Church world is deceived into exchanging the Truth of God for a lie. (Rom1:25)



The Name written on the Forehead of the Saints is the revived spirit that takes place through repentance and faith proven by deeds. (Acts3:19) The Mind is fixed on things above not on things of the earth. (Col3:1-3) It is the SINGLE Eye Jesus spoke of in Matt6:22, grounded in a good and honest heart.

You have to understand that the Book of Revelation (John’s vision) is written to the Church, not the world at large. Out of the Seven Churches addressed in Chapters 2-3, only two remained faithful and did not deny His Name. Therefore John’s vision has everything to do with the Corruption of the Gospel Message under an apostate System gone haywire.



I contend that these Churches addressed by the Spirit represent the condition of professing Christianity down through the ages. Although every generation, including the early Saints, thought the time was near and that they were experiencing the final days before Christ’s return. But that’s part of the overall deception to keep the mind in a state of confusion concerning these things. Such is the nature of the so-called Rapture theory. First developed by a Dispensational teacher named John Nelson Darby in the early 1800’s, who supposedly received a vision from a self-proclaimed Prophetess named Margaret McDonald in Glasgow. She claimed to had received a vision from God about a ‘secret’ Rapture of the church that was about to take place so that they would escape the Great Tribulation coming on the earth.



The teaching spread quickly among the early Charismatic’s and at a Prophecy Conference in Dublin Ireland in 1830, Darby officially introduced the Doctrine of Dispensationalism. His contention was that the Return of Christ would happen in two stages separated by a Seven year Tribulation period. During this time the Anti-Christ would appear on the scene, deceive the entire world and unite the political and religious powers of the earth under a New World Order. God would then Judge this vile System by pouring out His Wrath in the form of the Trumpets, Seals and Bowls. Christ would return at the end, bind Satan in the bottomless pit and reign on the earth for a thousand years of Peace.



Since the formation of these fallacies many have cashed in on the hype by writing books and making further predictions and in modern times producing full length motion pictures. Nothing has come to pass of course because NONE of them has any Spiritual understanding into the Mark they have received under the false Gospel Message dispensed by the IMAGE. To this day the fallen apostate Church is waiting for some kind of tangible sign to indicate the Rapture is near and Christ is about to return. They debate timetables and cannot completely agree on a Pre-Mid or Post Trib Rapture or whether or not Jesus will actually reign on earth in physical form for a thousand years.



But they ALL Preach the Message of the Dragon! The Woman on the Scarlet Beast is the present day Church! Your own Pastors, teachers, Bible Scholars, Sunday school teachers and leaders are working the Mystery of lawlessness (2Thess2:7) directly under the noses of the people! And they are completely blind-sided by the subterfuge. No one suspects their own church to be part of a wide ranging satanic deception. A virtual Army of false teachers is actively dispensing the Mark to millions of unsuspecting souls who receive it with gladness and joy. Those who oppose this false message and will not receive it as truth are forbidden to ‘buy and sell’ inside the System. Therefore the real message of Repentance and faith proven by deeds, is heresy to the church.



I also contend that the Number of his name, Rev13:17, is the Number of Man himself! You can accept this or reject it, your choice. But the Word used in Rev13 for man does not indicate a ‘Certain man’ but is: .Anthropos or Mankind (both male and female) Unknown to the early Saints the Atomic Number of Carbon is 666, consisting of Sex Neutrons, Six Electrons and Six Protons. Man is made out of Dust (Gen3:19) which is Carbon, the bases of organic life. So the Number of his name, in my opinion, is the Number of Man, who Receives his own Mark by refusal to Pluck out or Cut off the offending portions of his lustful desires.



Many of the early Saints wrongly identified the Latin System (Catholic Church) as the Beast because the number weight of their name according to their ancient numerical system equaled 666. The Latin Kingdom for example, spelled then as ‘lateinov’ translated from the Greek numerical system into this number. But it didn’t mean that the Pope or even Rome was the expected Anti-Christ! It meant that MANY names of man would also equal 666, because it is his number. Thus all the false predictions throughout history to this day trying to identify the Anit-Christ.



How can this apply to all of mankind when most of the World does not adhere to Christianity? The Passage in Rev13 is universal; ALL of mankind receives this Mark. Explain to me how Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism are going to receive this mark. It would NEVER happen they are mortal enemies of Christianity. But applying the Mark to Mankind solves the problem because anyone who is in bondage to the Lust of the eye and flesh already has it! The Bible teaches that you are a ‘Salve to who you obey, sin to death or obedience to Righteousness’ Rom6:16. The Mark can also be defined as a sign placed on the Branded Slave, showing ownership. Thus the Mark has much significance as to WHO a person is serving. (The flesh or the Spirit)



By necessity the professing Church System of today is making their so-called converts Servants of sin. They are told they are Born in sin, Can never stop sinning and are Saved in sin. The Deception is complete. The ‘evil eye’ remains and they all bow to the IMAGE.
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Is this just a hypothetical question or do you believe there is one big bad antichrist aka satan that rules in the end?

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can see from the only 4 verses in scripture that use term antichrist or antichrists, antichrist is a spirit or a person that denies Christ and there are many. Many people point to 1John2:18 and say he said antichrist shall come. When in actuality he tells them “ye have heard that antichrist shall come”. But then they neglect the fact that even though they heard this he also told us exactly what to expect when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world”

Concerning antichrists, satan’s ploy has worked, most in today’s world are so busy looking over their shoulder for some ficticous boogeyman they fail to recognize the literally billions of antichrist that surround us in today’s world. Sad isn’t it!
There is always an egomaniac the devil is an egomaniac and he what’s to be God he wants the glory.

There are lots of scriptures in the bible saying there is an antichrist, and an antichrist shall come.

The bible speaks for its self, but people keep interpretation it away to make the antichrist go away so they won’t have to deal with him.

An antichrist shall come

The prince of this world cometh

The devil is cast out into the earth with great wrath for a short time.

The man of sin comes and say he is God and oppresses and shows himself to be God before that day (j
esus)


There are many antichrists, but in Rv17 there are 10, not many but 10.

Ten antichrist kings in the end give their power and strength to the beast and are of one mind Rv17

Out of the ten kings another king comes up that makes was with the saints and overcomes them Dan7.

He has power to continue forty and two months and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints Rv13

And if you have no faith in the religious establishment and there interpretation of daniel8 to 12 then there is more.

But I’m shore some scholar will interpret it all away so there is no antichrist
 
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Have you received the mark?

The Mark of the Beast!

He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev13:16-17

What you need to understand clearly is that the Present day church System is already under the control of the Beast. But the Beast is NOT some Worldly dictator as everyone is suspecting. Actually the Beast John was shown in Rev13 is the Church System gone fully apostate. It’s not merely the Catholic System as many have identified over the years, but the ENTIRE professing Christian religious establishment, all preaching the Message of the Beast!


The Mark is dispensed either on the Forehead or Right hand and no one is forced to take it. They freely receive it as a gift form the great Beast Image they bow down to. Everyone is expecting some kind of Physical Mark in the form of modern technology. (a chip or implant of some sort) So everyone is looking in the WRONG place for this to come to pass. The Real Mark is ‘Spiritual’ in nature and consists of a false Gospel Message that you can be ‘saved in your sins’.
Tommy,

Question for you,

If it is the "church system" how then does this cause atheists,Buddhists,Hindus,and people of other religious systems to receive the mark of the beast if they are not part of the church system? Plus without this mark one can neither buy or sell,and if it is only spiritual how would that prevent one from buying or selling?
 
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Is this just a hypothetical question or do you believe there is one big bad antichrist aka satan that rules in the end?

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can see from the only 4 verses in scripture that use term antichrist or antichrists, antichrist is a spirit or a person that denies Christ and there are many. Many people point to 1John2:18 and say he said antichrist shall come. When in actuality he tells them “ye have heard that antichrist shall come”. But then they neglect the fact that even though they heard this he also told us exactly what to expect when he said “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world”

Concerning antichrists, satan’s ploy has worked, most in today’s world are so busy looking over their shoulder for some ficticous boogeyman they fail to recognize the literally billions of antichrist that surround us in today’s world. Sad isn’t it!
You miss worded 1john, which changes the complete meaning.


1 John; Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that antichrists from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.


The antichrists is against God. Others, (Humans) against God have a express a spirit like the antichrist. The scriptures are not saying the antichrist is people acting against God, but are showing the same spirit as the antichrist. Satan is the antichrist, and will come before Jesus returns. That is how we know the time is short.
 
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Good question, but the answer lies in the church system today, I call it satans masterpiece, but most who profess Christ call it truth!

Most are under the strong delusion God promised to send to those who love not the truth, and most of the bible pundits you may be following today preach a false salvation message, such as Billy Graham, and all those who promote reformed doctrines,

Have you received the mark?

The Mark of the Beast!

He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Rev13:16-17

What you need to understand clearly is that the Present day church System is already under the control of the Beast. But the Beast is NOT some Worldly dictator as everyone is suspecting. Actually the Beast John was shown in Rev13 is the Church System gone fully apostate. It’s not merely the Catholic System as many have identified over the years, but the ENTIRE professing Christian religious establishment, all preaching the Message of the Beast!



John was also shown an IMAGE created by the Beast that lives and breaths and causes everyone (in the System) to bow down to it in Worship and ‘Receive’ a Mark on the Right hand or Forehead. This IMAGE has the appearance of a Lamb but speaks the language of the Dragon through an Army of false teachers convinced that the IMAGE they have created is really Jesus Christ! This False Jesus is the focal point of Present day professing Christianity. What He represents to them is the Fallacy of Reformed theology.



According to this IMAGE the people can be ‘Saved in their sins’, Receive a Magic Moral Transfer of Christ’s Righteousness and Obedience, have their sins forgiven in advance and be made eternally secure in their vile and sinful condition. As the Rev13 passage says: ‘He CAUSES them to Receive a mark’, this Army of False teachers are dispensing this Mark as a GIFT on all who will receive it! The expression John is using is a Metaphor, (look it up!) Meaning: a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”

The common Message today is ‘Receive Jesus as your personal Savior’ by repeating a series of words repeated after the Pastor or someone supposedly leading you to the Lord. But what they are actually receiving is the IMAGE of Jesus created by the Dragon who has appeared to professing Christianity as the LAMB! (or a wolf in sheep’s clothing, Matt7:15) This is the Strong Delusion spoken of in 2Thess2:10.

How does the Mark of the Beast play into this? That’s the part FEW (if any) can understand.



The Mark is dispensed either on the Forehead or Right hand and no one is forced to take it. They freely receive it as a gift form the great Beast Image they bow down to. Everyone is expecting some kind of Physical Mark in the form of modern technology. (a chip or implant of some sort) So everyone is looking in the WRONG place for this to come to pass. The Real Mark is ‘Spiritual’ in nature and consists of a false Gospel Message that you can be ‘saved in your sins’.



Where is the Mark Dispensed?

On the ‘Forehead’ or ‘Right Hand’ To Understand this note the following Translation:

Forehead (used only in the Book of Revelation) Is two Greek Words:

Meta: Meaning, ‘With’

Ops: Meaning, ‘An Eye’ “Literally: ‘With an Eye.’ Or ‘Within the Eye of the Mind!’

Jesus said in Matt5:27-30:
You have heard that it was said to those of old ‘You shall not commit adultery. But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

The extreme importance of Crucifying the flesh with its passions and desires is expressed throughout Scripture. It is the VERY essence of real Repentance. Without it NO ONE can be truly Saved. The body of sin MUST be done away with in repentance, die with Christ, once and for all to the old man and be raised to the Newness of life in the Spirit. (Rom6:4-6, Gal5:24)



However the IMAGE that has taken full control of professing Christianity has removed this essential step from the Salvation process and replaced with the MARK. What is the Mark? Simply: the ‘evil eye’ of the flesh, fixed on the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life! (1John2:15-17) Bowing to the IMAGE is the refusal to Cut off the evil eye or hand and cast it from you. Instead you retain the evil within and call it your ‘sin nature’.

The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! Matt6:22-23

Again Christ points to this Mark of the flesh: “What comes out of a man that defiles a man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within and defile a man.” Mk7:20-23



Sin enters into the Mind through the Eyes (2Pet2:14) You take possession of it when the desire (lust) united with the will. (James1:14-16, you latch on to it and perform the act!) This is why the Double-minded cannot enter into the Kingdom. (Js1:8) But under the IMAGE this has been Reversed! The Mark, (your own evil eye of the flesh) is retained and you ‘receive’ it as a Gift of eternal life. Herein is how the professing Church world is deceived into exchanging the Truth of God for a lie. (Rom1:25)



The Name written on the Forehead of the Saints is the revived spirit that takes place through repentance and faith proven by deeds. (Acts3:19) The Mind is fixed on things above not on things of the earth. (Col3:1-3) It is the SINGLE Eye Jesus spoke of in Matt6:22, grounded in a good and honest heart.

You have to understand that the Book of Revelation (John’s vision) is written to the Church, not the world at large. Out of the Seven Churches addressed in Chapters 2-3, only two remained faithful and did not deny His Name. Therefore John’s vision has everything to do with the Corruption of the Gospel Message under an apostate System gone haywire.



I contend that these Churches addressed by the Spirit represent the condition of professing Christianity down through the ages. Although every generation, including the early Saints, thought the time was near and that they were experiencing the final days before Christ’s return. But that’s part of the overall deception to keep the mind in a state of confusion concerning these things. Such is the nature of the so-called Rapture theory. First developed by a Dispensational teacher named John Nelson Darby in the early 1800’s, who supposedly received a vision from a self-proclaimed Prophetess named Margaret McDonald in Glasgow. She claimed to had received a vision from God about a ‘secret’ Rapture of the church that was about to take place so that they would escape the Great Tribulation coming on the earth.



The teaching spread quickly among the early Charismatic’s and at a Prophecy Conference in Dublin Ireland in 1830, Darby officially introduced the Doctrine of Dispensationalism. His contention was that the Return of Christ would happen in two stages separated by a Seven year Tribulation period. During this time the Anti-Christ would appear on the scene, deceive the entire world and unite the political and religious powers of the earth under a New World Order. God would then Judge this vile System by pouring out His Wrath in the form of the Trumpets, Seals and Bowls. Christ would return at the end, bind Satan in the bottomless pit and reign on the earth for a thousand years of Peace.



Since the formation of these fallacies many have cashed in on the hype by writing books and making further predictions and in modern times producing full length motion pictures. Nothing has come to pass of course because NONE of them has any Spiritual understanding into the Mark they have received under the false Gospel Message dispensed by the IMAGE. To this day the fallen apostate Church is waiting for some kind of tangible sign to indicate the Rapture is near and Christ is about to return. They debate timetables and cannot completely agree on a Pre-Mid or Post Trib Rapture or whether or not Jesus will actually reign on earth in physical form for a thousand years.



But they ALL Preach the Message of the Dragon! The Woman on the Scarlet Beast is the present day Church! Your own Pastors, teachers, Bible Scholars, Sunday school teachers and leaders are working the Mystery of lawlessness (2Thess2:7) directly under the noses of the people! And they are completely blind-sided by the subterfuge. No one suspects their own church to be part of a wide ranging satanic deception. A virtual Army of false teachers is actively dispensing the Mark to millions of unsuspecting souls who receive it with gladness and joy. Those who oppose this false message and will not receive it as truth are forbidden to ‘buy and sell’ inside the System. Therefore the real message of Repentance and faith proven by deeds, is heresy to the church.



I also contend that the Number of his name, Rev13:17, is the Number of Man himself! You can accept this or reject it, your choice. But the Word used in Rev13 for man does not indicate a ‘Certain man’ but is: .Anthropos or Mankind (both male and female) Unknown to the early Saints the Atomic Number of Carbon is 666, consisting of Sex Neutrons, Six Electrons and Six Protons. Man is made out of Dust (Gen3:19) which is Carbon, the bases of organic life. So the Number of his name, in my opinion, is the Number of Man, who Receives his own Mark by refusal to Pluck out or Cut off the offending portions of his lustful desires.



Many of the early Saints wrongly identified the Latin System (Catholic Church) as the Beast because the number weight of their name according to their ancient numerical system equaled 666. The Latin Kingdom for example, spelled then as ‘lateinov’ translated from the Greek numerical system into this number. But it didn’t mean that the Pope or even Rome was the expected Anti-Christ! It meant that MANY names of man would also equal 666, because it is his number. Thus all the false predictions throughout history to this day trying to identify the Anit-Christ.



How can this apply to all of mankind when most of the World does not adhere to Christianity? The Passage in Rev13 is universal; ALL of mankind receives this Mark. Explain to me how Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism are going to receive this mark. It would NEVER happen they are mortal enemies of Christianity. But applying the Mark to Mankind solves the problem because anyone who is in bondage to the Lust of the eye and flesh already has it! The Bible teaches that you are a ‘Salve to who you obey, sin to death or obedience to Righteousness’ Rom6:16. The Mark can also be defined as a sign placed on the Branded Slave, showing ownership. Thus the Mark has much significance as to WHO a person is serving. (The flesh or the Spirit)



By necessity the professing Church System of today is making their so-called converts Servants of sin. They are told they are Born in sin, Can never stop sinning and are Saved in sin. The Deception is complete. The ‘evil eye’ remains and they all bow to the IMAGE.
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TOMMY, TOMMY, TOMMY…
may God Bless you.. God has shown you the truth. I am a man of God. I have been teaching Gods word for over forty five year…to deaf ears.
Stay on the narrow path you are on. What you posted is truly the word of our God.
I have been warning people, both good, bad, and those on the fence, Gods command false religion, “GET OUT OF THEM MY PEOPLE.”
They all say they have the truth don’t they? Yet it is very simple to prove their religion false. They hire people to tickle their ear.
Very good Tommy…very, very good.
 
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doulos

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You miss worded 1john, which changes the complete meaning.


1 John; Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that antichrists from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. KJV
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.YLT
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour: and as ye heard that antichrist cometh, even now have there arisen many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour.ASV
Not sure what translation of the Bible you use but the wording in the above three translations all say the same thing.


The antichrists is against God. Others, (Humans) against God have a express a spirit like the antichrist. The scriptures are not saying the antichrist is people acting against God, but are showing the same spirit as the antichrist. Satan is the antichrist, and will come before Jesus returns. That is how we know the time is short.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Really and which of the only 4 verses that used the term (quoted above for your convenience) supports your conclusion. Man’s definition breaks the word down into 2 parts with anti being instead of, this changes the biblical defintion of antichrists into the private innterpretations of men.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Wouldn’t we better served to use the definition Scripture provides instead of relying on the private interpretations of men for definitions?
As for me I’ll continue to rely on the Scriptural definition which tells us antichrists are those that deny Christ and theree are many. If you want to look over your shoulder for some ficticous boogeyman that the futurists contend will rule the world some day, then by all means as you are led friend, as you are led!
 
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doulos

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There is always an egomaniac the devil is an egomaniac and he what’s to be God he wants the glory.

There are lots of scriptures in the bible saying there is an antichrist, and an antichrist shall come.

The bible speaks for its self, but people keep interpretation it away to make the antichrist go away so they won’t have to deal with him.

An antichrist shall come

The prince of this world cometh

The devil is cast out into the earth with great wrath for a short time.

The man of sin comes and say he is God and oppresses and shows himself to be God before that day (j
esus)


There are many antichrists, but in Rv17 there are 10, not many but 10.

Ten antichrist kings in the end give their power and strength to the beast and are of one mind Rv17

Out of the ten kings another king comes up that makes was with the saints and overcomes them Dan7.

He has power to continue forty and two months and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints Rv13

And if you have no faith in the religious establishment and there interpretation of daniel8 to 12 then there is more.

But I’m shore some scholar will interpret it all away so there is no antichrist
Still promoting those unprovable futurists myths I see.

"The folly of interpreters has been to foretell times and things by this prophecy [Revelation], as if God designed to make them prophets. By this rashness they have not only exposed themselves, but brought the prophecy also into contempt. The design of God was much otherwise. He gave this and the prophecies of the Old Testament, not to gratify men's curiosities by enabling them to foreknow things, but that after they were fulfilled they might be interpreted by the event, and his own providence, not the interpreters', be then manifested thereby to the world. For the event of things predicted many ages before will then be a convincing argument that the world is governed by Providence." - Sir Isaac Newton

“Those things of God which are now dark and obscure will hereafter be made clear, and easy to be understood. Truth is the daughter of time. Scripture prophecies will be expounded by the accomplishment of them; therefore they are given, and for that expectation they are reserved. Therefore they are told us before, that, when they do come to pass, we may believe”. - Matthew Henry
 
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Therapon

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If you were Satan, and wanted to present yourself as the Christ, and destroy the belief in God...how would you do it?
Either become the Pope or get elected as president of the United States. <wry smile>
 
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peterT

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Still promoting those unprovable futurists myths I see.

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The bible speaks for its self,

An antichrist shall come

The prince of this world cometh

The devil is cast out into the earth with great wrath for a short timeRv12.

The man of sin comes and say he is God and oppresses and shows himself to be God before that day

It’s not a myth bro.

Christians build their doctrine on a lot less than that and call it sound including you
 
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doulos

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The bible speaks for its self,

An antichrist shall come

The prince of this world cometh

The devil is cast out into the earth with great wrath for a short timeRv12.

The man of sin comes and say he is God and oppresses and shows himself to be God before that day

It’s not a myth bro.
peterT we are supposed to base or beliefs on what the bible actually says, not just what we have been taught some verses supposedly mean. Can you show me one single verse that actually states antichrist is an endtime world leader? If not then why should I accept an unproven theory based on the writings of a 16th century Jesuit priest whose only goal was to counter the reformers?