The beloved Disciple

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why was he the beloved disciple - wincam
 
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I'm assuming that you are talking about John.

He is only called the disciple that Jesus loved in his own gospel. John knew the love of Jesus for him and he received that love. We can only love to the degree we know we are loved by Him.

1 John 4:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.
 
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I'm assuming that you are talking about John.

He is only called the disciple that Jesus loved in his own gospel. John knew the love of Jesus for him and he received that love. We can only love to the degree we know we are loved by Him.

1 John 4:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] We love, because He first loved us.

John was an Apostle - wincam
 

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If we who are born again and become children of God are called disciples then are we also not in then sense apostles? And if not how does one become an apostle of Christ and is the role of an apostle only for a chosen few?
 
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If we who are born again and become children of God are called disciples then are we also not in then sense apostles? And if not how does one become an apostle of Christ and is the role of an apostle only for a chosen few?

indeed - twelve chosen few - maybe thirteen - wincam
 

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If we who are born again and become children of God are called disciples then are we also not in then sense apostles? And if not how does one become an apostle of Christ and is the role of an apostle only for a chosen few?
Those twelve apostles are also frequently called the "disciples." Disciple comes from an educational context and is similar to "student." So the word apostle defines a person in terms of their purpose or mission, while disciple emphasizes the person's relationship to the teacher. In the case of the 12 apostles, all of them are disciples. But it doesn’t follow that all disciples are apostles!

The term disciple is used more widely than apostle and is commonly used to describe people outside of “the twelve” (e.g.,Mark 2:18 describes John the Baptist’s disciples; see also Luke 6:13, where Jesus chooses the 12 apostles from a larger group of disciples).

Apostles vs. Disciples <~~~Link
 

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Those twelve apostles are also frequently called the "disciples." Disciple comes from an educational context and is similar to "student." So the word apostle defines a person in terms of their purpose or mission, while disciple emphasizes the person's relationship to the teacher. In the case of the 12 apostles, all of them are disciples. But it doesn’t follow that all disciples are apostles!

The term disciple is used more widely than apostle and is commonly used to describe people outside of “the twelve” (e.g.,Mark 2:18 describes John the Baptist’s disciples; see also Luke 6:13, where Jesus chooses the 12 apostles from a larger group of disciples).

Apostles vs. Disciples <~~~Link
So then we cannot be apostles?
 

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So then we cannot be apostles?
apostle

  • noun
1.any of the early followers of Jesus who carried the Christian messageinto the world.

2.(sometimes initial capital letter) any of the original 12 disciples calledby Jesus to preach the gospel: Simon Peter, the brothers James andJohn, Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the sonof Alpheus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot, Judas Iscariot.

3.the first or the best-known Christian missionary in any region orcountry.

4.Eastern Church. one of the 70 disciples of Jesus.

5.the title of the highest ecclesiastical official in certain Protestant sects.

6.(among the Jews of the Christian epoch) a title borne by persons senton foreign missions.

7.one of the 12 administrative officials of the Mormon Church.

8.a pioneer of any reform movement.

9.Nautical. a knighthead, especially one having its top projecting andused as a bitt or bollard.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apostle



 

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why was he the beloved disciple - wincam
You are asking a question which definitely relates to the fact that God can both have no respect of persons, and have favor at the same time.

Jesus Christ of Nazareth, The Word of God, The Sword of The Spirit...appeared to us in the earthen vessel of God...which is one vessel united and individual at the same time... as we are one vessel united and individual at the same time. I can talk to myself, and I can talk to God, and I can talk to others. The real me is the born again measure of God from heaven interceding for my self by the measure of God given me (self being the earthen vessel identity...or sin in the flesh identity).

I believe personally that the reason he was called the disciple Jesus loved...is because John was allowed more time being physically closer to Him...thereby experiencing The Word of God a bit louder and more detailed than others. Peter and James also were favored in this way by being allowed also up on the mountain when Jesus was transfigured...and there are more examples of this kind of favor.

We are still equal though...because...
Luke 12:47-50King James Version (KJV)

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

I do believe it's gonna be getting cold...and it would be wise to favor God in this way as well...by gathering together physically...living together in all things common with God...and according to the flesh...dying together if required. We are His flesh and His bones...and I want to be as close to the united and individual earthen vessel of God as I can be...like John. The game I have been introducing naturally kindles a fire for the cold of night. It is possible for dawn to be in the night...I do believe.
John 9:3-5King James Version (KJV)

3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-5King James Version (KJV)

5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Matthew 25:1-12King James Version (KJV)

25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
 
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apostle

  • noun
1.any of the early followers of Jesus who carried the Christian messageinto the world.

2.(sometimes initial capital letter) any of the original 12 disciples calledby Jesus to preach the gospel: Simon Peter, the brothers James andJohn, Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the sonof Alpheus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot, Judas Iscariot.

3.the first or the best-known Christian missionary in any region orcountry.

4.Eastern Church. one of the 70 disciples of Jesus.

5.the title of the highest ecclesiastical official in certain Protestant sects.

6.(among the Jews of the Christian epoch) a title borne by persons senton foreign missions.

7.one of the 12 administrative officials of the Mormon Church.

8.a pioneer of any reform movement.

9.Nautical. a knighthead, especially one having its top projecting andused as a bitt or bollard.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apostle



So as I understand it an apostle is one who is specifically called by God to carry out and fulfill a great mission and to serve him in his kingdom right?
 

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So as I understand it an apostle is one who is specifically called by God to carry out and fulfill a great mission and to serve him in his kingdom right?
It is generally considered to be exclusively referring to an early disciple, someone who knew Christ when He walked this world. Paul is an exception to that rule of thumb, calling himself an apostle over 13 times in his epistles, like so: Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God... Some say Luke denied the apostleship of Paul by not capitalizing the "A" when using the word in connection with Paul.
 
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How about Simon Peter = lovest thou me more than these[Jn.21:15-17] - btw Paul also having a special task to do refers to himself as an Apostle = messenger or ambassador - wincam
 
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Blain

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It is generally considered to be exclusively referring to an early disciple, someone who knew Christ when He walked this world. Paul is an exception to that rule of thumb, calling himself an apostle over 13 times in his epistles, like so: Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God... Some say Luke denied the apostleship of Paul by not capitalizing the "A" when using the word in connection with Paul.
So if one was to call themselves an Apostle of Christ today that would be wrong right? I know God is not a respecter of persons and so that's why I was confused about the Apostles in the new testaments bieng the only ones what can legitimately take the title Apostle but then I thought about the role and title of prophet, only a true prophet of God can take such a title it isn't that they are more special it's just the name or title for a specific office in God's kingdom
 

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I like the idea of being able to go everywhere with the earthen vessel of God, and such a great reward it is considered to be...to be a pillar.
Revelation 3:11-13King James Version (KJV)

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 
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Just my opinion, but I always saw John as the Beloved because he was the only one of the 12 mentioned to have witnessed the entirety of Jesus' trial and crucifixion and also became Mary's adopted son and caretaker. Aside from that he's one of the first to see the resurrection. On top of that along with his brother James, Peter, and Andrew he was with Jesus from the start.

John 19:25-27

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
 

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Just my opinion, but I always saw John as the Beloved because he was the only one of the 12 mentioned to have witnessed the entirety of Jesus' trial and crucifixion and also became Mary's adopted son and caretaker. Aside from that he's one of the first to see the resurrection. On top of that along with his brother James, Peter, and Andrew he was with Jesus from the start.

John 19:25-27

[SUP]25 [/SUP]Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Yup... I agree that John was highly favored.
 

Jon4TheCross

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no doubt but the question was if so why so - wincam
We all are given a measure of faith determined by God, and we are all required more or less depending on that measure, so we are all equal in this way. To God be the glory for all the good and perfect in us.
John received a measure which is unique as the measure in each of us is unique.
1 Corinthians 12:23-25King James Version (KJV)

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
 

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I like the idea of being able to go everywhere with the earthen vessel of God, and such a great reward it is considered to be...to be a pillar.
Revelation 3:11-13King James Version (KJV)

11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

I have asked one thing from the LORD;
it is what I desire:
to dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life,
gazing on the beauty of the LORD and seeking Him in His temple.

(Psalm 27:4)

in his own book, John called himself "the disciple whom Jesus loved" - not in other books, though we know Christ loves the all - so John knew Jesus loved him and delighted in that. from the tone of his gospel, we might guess that as a person, John was not as concerned with the things of the world as the others. perhaps it was more important in Johns heart, that he love and be loved - that he remain in the presence of God in the temple all the days of his life - than the cares of the world - if this is in our hearts, then i believe Christ loves us, because this is love for God, and we love because He first loves us.
 
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I have asked one thing from the LORD;
it is what I desire:
to dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life,
gazing on the beauty of the LORD and seeking Him in His temple.

(Psalm 27:4)

in his own book, John called himself "the disciple whom Jesus loved" - not in other books, though we know Christ loves the all - so John knew Jesus loved him and delighted in that. from the tone of his gospel, we might guess that as a person, John was not as concerned with the things of the world as the others. perhaps it was more important in Johns heart, that he love and be loved - that he remain in the presence of God in the temple all the days of his life - than the cares of the world - if this is in our hearts, then i believe Christ loves us, because this is love for God, and we love because He first loves us.

it is doubted in certain quarters that John wrote the gospel and the question is still why was he extra special loved even more than even Peter etc - wincam