The Bible and the US Law

[JaumeJ]

The legal system in the US is based upon Roman law. Any student of the law is aware of this. To say the US Laws are based on the Bible is hurtful.

It is blasphemous. The founding fathers were the first to insiste\ the Constitution did not create and support any religionespeecially one that oppresses any citizen considered outside a religions beliefs.

I have heard from here people saying such horrible things as "God wants you to vote for this one or that one."

Ask yourself, what does Jesus christ have to do wiwth Caesar or with Herod.

To say the US has any foundation upon the Word of God is mixing the true Kingdom with its King, our King, with the material dealings of material men.

For any who claim to believe God to make these claims is tantamount to beginng the reign in this age without the presence of the King, Almighty.

If any want a country that is free and just, go back to the US Constitution as it is written, and you will have the great US that once was. I have seen it; I have lived it.

Do not mix God with this realm in the political sense or you will never know Him. Traust God.

 

[MadebyHim]

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:12-16

 

[jaybird88]

for a country that claims to be based on Christian values we sure dont have many biblical monuments around, but we have more greek/roman pagan monuments than you can count. but few seem to notice.

 

[JaumeJ]

Thank you for these words from Timothy.......they are like fresh water in a parched land....

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:12-16

 

[MattforJesus]

That throws a lot of people off concerning how God operates,when they view America as a Christian nation,and believe that the money that flows through her,and materialism that is abundant there,and pleasures of entertainment,leisure,and all things to give people joy,is a blessing from God,and God is prospering America.

But it is worldliness,which the Bible says love not the world,or the things in the world,and if people teach the prosperity Gospel,withdraw yourself from them,having food and clothing,be content,and the love of money is the root of all evil for it neglects the poor and needy,and if any person has this world's goods,and does not help the poor,the love of God does not dwell in them.

But a lot of Americans think that God is blessing her for the prosperity that occurs in her,but it is the lusts if people,and not from God,and it causes many hypocrites among those that claim Christ.

 

[JaumeJ]

Time has given me the priviledge to experience the US in a long period of prosperity and blessings which were appreciated by all because they were looking to be good citizens, and for many this translated also as behaving in a Godly mannere.

To say the US is or ever was a christian nation is the product of great ignorance of the country and its history.

Yes we always recognized God, we how believe, but we never claimed we were running the country. That was left up to politicians, never to men of God. If you examine our leadership, from the Declatation of Independence until now, only a handful were truly trying to please God, while many of the others were truly attempting to do good work according to the original Constitution to which we should return.

If people were to
hold these truth to be self evident as written in the Declaration, there never would have been slavery for starters, and women would have had the vote, but interpretations changed, not the gist of the meaning, because men changed.

God does not chang, this is why the US is not nor never has been based on Christianity. The Constitiution allows for all religions, even those agains which many are. Peopl should check their vision before they think they see Russians from their bedroom, even from their beds.

 

[Johnny_B]

The legal system in the US is based upon Roman law. Any student of the law is aware of this. To say the US Laws are based on the Bible is hurtful.

It is blasphemous. The founding fathers were the first to insiste\ the Constitution did not create and support any religionespeecially one that oppresses any citizen considered outside a religions beliefs.

I have heard from here people saying such horrible things as "God wants you to vote for this one or that one."

Ask yourself, what does Jesus christ have to do wiwth Caesar or with Herod.

To say the US has any foundation upon the Word of God is mixing the true Kingdom with its King, our King, with the material dealings of material men.

For any who claim to believe God to make these claims is tantamount to beginng the reign in this age without the presence of the King, Almighty.

If any want a country that is free and just, go back to the US Constitution as it is written, and you will have the great US that once was. I have seen it; I have lived it.

Do not mix God with this realm in the political sense or you will never know Him. Traust God.

What make that interesting is the Roman law on adoption, which Paul had in mind when speaking of our adoption. The person you adopted, has more rights to the inheritance that you leave then your natural children, the same here. You can write a natural child out of your will, but you have to leave an inheritance to your adopted children. This is one of the foundation of eternal security or what some call OSAS. With justification, adoption, the guarantee of the promised Spirit as a down-payment, salvation as a gift by grace, never being separated for the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord by anything created including yourself, Jesus' promise they shall never perish and receiving eternal life by God's foreknowledge, I can't understand how anyone could believe that one could lose their salvation.

These are important to study to understand the fullness of the gift God has given us. The adoption laws are the same here in the USA.

 

[MattforJesus]

If America were a Christian nation they would operate according to Christianity,but the majority of the population,and things that occur in America are not Christian.

America allows all religions to be practiced there,even satanism,and the occult,but that is not God's ways,but if it were a Christian nation,the leaders would not allow it to be so,which God told Israel to not marry the women of other nations,or they might get led away with their false gods,and religious practices,which many fell victim to that,even king Solomon who had many wives,and was catering to their false gods,and religious practices,to please his wives.

1Ki 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
1Ki 11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
1Ki 11:6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
1Ki 11:7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
1Ki 11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

If America were a Christian nation,then they would not tolerate the other religions being practiced there,for God would not tolerate it.

The truth is if there was a presidential candidate that was strictly what God wanted,observing Christianity,and that only,and for it to run throughout America,and clean up the mess the people caused,that person would not be voted in,and would be very low in the race,and not very popular even among many that claim Christ,because of the strict behavior,and lifestyle,and godliness,that the person would promote.

If Jesus were to run for president,and promote all things of God,the godly lifestyle,that does not permit worldliness,fleshy pleasures,and to not heap money to oneself,but help the poor and needy,but not do miracles to convince them that way,would He win the election.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here is a thought.

Imagine arriving to the Kingdom only to find it is run like the US!

What an horrible notion.

I want God-s version, the real deal, a Kingdom with the Perfect King, amen! Halleluyah!

 

[dcontroversal]

Most will say this is a Christian country because we have a constitutional right to worship God as we please...........

God is Spirit, they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in Truth....

SO....how does that jive with our right to worship as we PLEASE.....

Speaks volumes hey........!

 

[JaumeJ]

The Constitution of the United States guarantees the freedom of religion.

who is speaking of not right to believe as one pleases, only those who demand a Christian country.

The US was never a Christian country, and to purport such a thought as true is perverse, blasphemous.

According the this Christian only America, no others would have rights.

This is the beginning of a world church ran by the world and not God.

There are the faithful in all countries, and no one country will every dictatee the word to them, only the HOly Spirit.

The only country ever to be run by God is an dalways has been His Kingdom with its perfect King, Jesus christ..

When a person does not know his constituion, even if he has been in a position to defent it, his works are vanity.

Trust God, worship God, and never replace His Word with a political agenda of this age.........that is also Satanic.

 

[dcontroversal]

The Constitution of the United States guarantees the freedom of religion.

who is speaking of not right to believe as one pleases, only those who demand a Christian country.

The US was never a Christian country, and to purport such a thought as true is perverse, blasphemous.

According the this Christian only America, no others would have rights.

This is the beginning of a world church ran by the world and not God.

There are the faithful in all countries, and no one country will every dictatee the word to them, only the HOly Spirit.

The only country ever to be run by God is an dalways has been His Kingdom with its perfect King, Jesus christ..

When a person does not know his constituion, even if he has been in a position to defent it, his works are vanity.

Trust God, worship God, and never replace His Word with a political agenda of this age.........that is also Satanic.

If this was directed at me...re-read what I wrote.......I have stated numerous times that the U.S. is nothing more than a Gentile world power that has had Christians and some Christian churches in it.......

 

[dcontroversal]

for a country that claims to be based on Christian values we sure dont have many biblical monuments around, but we have more greek/roman pagan monuments than you can count. but few seem to notice.

AMEN....that is because the U.S. is nothing more than a Gentile world power.....the largest statue of ISIS and Ishtar stand at our main port of entry.....her name is LIBERTAS and she can be traced all the way back to Egypt........

MOST are blind to this and or will dismiss this out of hand

 

[JaumeJ]

What you say is absolutely true.

I only want it clear that the US has never been constitutionally a Christian nation, and I would stress I pray it never becomse such.

If this was directed at me...re-read what I wrote.......I have stated numerous times that the U.S. is nothing more than a Gentile world power that has had Christians and some Christian churches in it.......

 

[Grandpa]

America didn't start off as an agnostic nation or an atheist nation.

Most of the founders were Christian. Most of the people in America practiced Christianity at the time it was founded.

That is what made it a Christian nation. Not laws stating such, per se.


The founders were careful not to mandate that Christianity be the rule of law because they knew what that would lead to. And it is what most of the people who were in America escaped from. State sponsored Church.

To say that America didn't start off as a Christian nation is a statement of ignorance.

To say that America was Gods Kingdom on earth is kind of a silly notion as well. This same freedom of religion that allowed Christianity to prosper also allowed paganism and free-masonry whatever.

 

[JaumeJ]

The founding fathers , back to the colonialists, came to escape religious persecustion from majority denominations. Most were Christian who settled the colonies.

By the time the Declaration of Independence was penned and the Constitution, the then heads of the fledgling country, the US, were very certain NOT to include in the constitution a country that was of any religion rather one with freedom of religion.

Were the US founded as Christian, there could have been no room for all others who came to the US for refuge, begining with the Jews and later other religions, even Buddists.

The consstitution also allows for agnosticism an datheism....... Revision ist history is only successful with those who wish to be deluded by lies.

America didn't start off as an agnostic nation or an atheist nation.

Most of the founders were Christian. Most of the people in America practiced Christianity at the time it was founded.

That is what made it a Christian nation. Not laws stating such, per se.


The founders were careful not to mandate that Christianity be the rule of law because they knew what that would lead to. And it is what most of the people who were in America escaped from. State sponsored Church.

To say that America didn't start off as a Christian nation is a statement of ignorance.

To say that America was Gods Kingdom on earth is kind of a silly notion as well. This same freedom of religion that allowed Christianity to prosper also allowed paganism and free-masonry whatever.

 

[JaumeJ]

When Quakers were oppressed in England and Holland many came to the then colonies to escape the aggressions of the majority non/ Quaker Christians.

This sam type of aggression or oppression is a present and clear possibility today by an group or groups of Christians who band together to form what they call the majority, not in a democratic manner..

Many today do not realize the Repubic for whic it stands is indeed a demoncracy, the model of the world.......

Jesus Christ and His Body members cannot be envolved in any political movements. If you do not believe this, read the New Testament and count just how many believers did so.

 

[Blain]

It is said this country was founded on Christianity even in the pledge of allegiance it says one nation under God. However I have yet to see any evidence of this being true, I mean if we were to test every law in the united states against the word of God I wonder how many of those laws would line up with scripture?

And as for people saying God wants you to vote for this person or whatever that is simply silly, God is in control and if he declares this person is to be elected for his purpose then it will happen he doesn't require our vote. Also it isn't this kingdom he is concerned about nor our kings

 

[kaylagrl]

"The politically incorrect truth is, the vast majority of the men that founded our nation were evangelical Christians. In fact, 52 out of the 55 signers of the constitution, the framers of the constitution, were evangelical believers. These very same men went on to form organizations like the American Bible Society, the American Tract Society, and the Philadelphia Bible Society. These men were hardly neutral toward Christianity."


Every state had their own articles of qualification for what it would take to hold office in that state and what it would take to qualify to go to the constitutional convention. Article 22 of the constitution of Delaware said … “every person who shall be chosen a member of either house or appointed to any office or place of trust shall make and subscribe to the following declaration. I do profess faith in God the Father and Jesus Christ his Holy Son and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blest forevermore and I do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures to the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration.”
That is not particular to Delaware. Many of our state constitutions said the very same thing. The very same people who crafted those kind of requirements are the people who attended our constitutional convention. We are told over and over again that our country’s founders were secularists, deists, sprinkled with a few Christians who came to this nation seeking above all other things to build an unscalable wall between the government and Christianity. And most importantly, they wanted to compartmentalize Christianity to the church and to the home. They wanted Christianity to have no influence whatsoever in public policy. That version of American history belongs in the same category as the story of George Washington and the cherry tree. It is complete fiction.


From George Washington’s diary:
“Let my heart, gracious God, be so affected with Your glory and majesty that I may discharge those weighty duties which Thou requirest of me. Again I have called on Thee for pardon and forgiveness of sins. For the sacrifice of Jesus Christ offered on the cross for me. Thou gavest Thy Son to die for me and has given me assurance of salvation.”
Patrick Henry, responsible for the Bill of Rights:
“Being a Christian is a character which I prize far above all this world has or can boast.”
John Quincy Adams, sixth President of the United States:
“In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.”


What about the wall of separation between church and state? Did you know a recent poll demonstrated that 67% of Americans believe the phrase separation of church and state is found in the first amendment of the constitution? That phrase isn’t found in the first amendment or anywhere else in the constitution. In the year 1800, Thomas Jefferson was the newly elected President of the United States. A group of Baptists in Danbury, Connecticut heard the rumor that Thomas Jefferson was going to establish the congregational denomination as the state denomination.
They wrote a letter to Thomas Jefferson protesting this rumor that the congregational church was going to be the state church. And so Thomas Jefferson on January 1, 1802 wrote this letter to the Baptists.
“I contemplate with solemn reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no all respecting and establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof thus building a wall of separation between church and state.’”
Jefferson was referring to an establishment of a denomination, not a religion. The First Amendment that prohibits government from establishing a particular religion deals with denominations not faiths. He was saying, we’re not going to make one denomination the state denomination. More importantly, what I want you to see is, Thomas Jefferson used this phrase to reassure Christians that government would do nothing to prohibit their free exercise of religion.

https://ptv.org/america-is-a-christian-nation/


Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.
~ Mayflower Compact

 

[abcdef]

The Constitution of the United States guarantees the freedom of religion.

who is speaking of not right to believe as one pleases, only those who demand a Christian country.

The US was never a Christian country, and to purport such a thought as true is perverse, blasphemous.

According the this Christian only America, no others would have rights.

This is the beginning of a world church ran by the world and not God.

There are the faithful in all countries, and no one country will every dictatee the word to them, only the HOly Spirit.

The only country ever to be run by God is an dalways has been His Kingdom with its perfect King, Jesus christ..

When a person does not know his constituion, even if he has been in a position to defent it, his works are vanity.

Trust God, worship God, and never replace His Word with a political agenda of this age.........that is also Satanic.

And now put the RCC into the picture.