The Bible is God it self. In The Beginning Was The Word

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If you're going to quote me...quote me...

The Bible is God it self. In The Beginning Was The Word <----tell me what is grammatically incorrect with this statement??
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If you're going to quote me...quote me...

The Bible is God it self. In The Beginning Was The Word <----tell me what is grammatically incorrect with this statement??
there is nothing grammatically incorrect about it. one is a statement and the other is a quote. i hope i dont have to elaborate further.

here, ill demonstrate

The bible is God it's self. "In the beginning was the word"
 
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there is nothing grammatically incorrect about it. one is a statement and the other is a quote. i hope i dont have to elaborate further.

here ill demonstrate

The bible is God it's self. "Inthe beginning was the word"
Isn't THE WORD around now???
It's a thing of the past???
 
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you're missing the point. im going to need you to think a little deeper. the bible is your God. it is the Authority which Authorizes you or not.
I think very deeply.
Years ahead of you.

The bible is NOT my God.
God is my God.
That includes Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Is the bible YOUR God?
 
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there is nothing grammatically incorrect about it. one is a statement and the other is a quote. i hope i dont have to elaborate further.

here, ill demonstrate

The bible is God it's self. "In the beginning was the word"
BTW, the word is:
itself
 
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The Bible is NOT God.

Jesus is the Word...,the bible just contains words from God but is not God Himself...Jesus is God, the Word that was there from the beginning.
 
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you're missing the point. im going to need you to think a little deeper. the bible is your God. it is the Authority which Authorizes you or not.
Nope, the Holy Spirit is "the authority which authorized" me.
 
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exactly as i have it spelled. and no the bible is your God thats how you even know about him. you do think deep, deep in the box.
I do not know God because of the bible.
When I met God, I had never read the bible.

Do you think people only knew about God AFTER the bible was written?
(either the old testament or the new testament)
 
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Nope, the Holy Spirit is "the authority which authorized" me.
no the word is the Authority that Authorizes you on how to even gain the spirit. how to please God and how to live. it IS the Authority. it IS God. there is no God outside of it. thats why you believe in God because of the WORD. you believe in the God OF what? hundu? buddhism? no, the God of the WORD. the book.
 
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I do not know God because of the bible.
When I met God, I had never read the bible.

Do you think people only knew about God AFTER the bible was written?
(either the old testament or the new testament)
no im saying the bible tells you about God his character and what not and it tells you about God and his existence.
it tells you what to eat and what not to eat.
its tells you how to get into heaven and how to go to hell.

the bible is God. there is no God outside of the Authority of the Author of the WORD. which Authorizes
 
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he states he is not a Christian
That and his favorite scriptures reveals alot.

Wonder if he knows she stayed a virgin at God's temple and wasn't killed? Or if he accuse God of human sacrifice?
 
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That and his favorite scriptures reveals alot.

Wonder if he knows she stayed a virgin at God's temple and wasn't killed? Or if he accuse God of human sacrifice?
its from your favorite book. or are you saying the bible is evil in parts? no the bible says she was made into a burnt sacrifice. dont argue against your own WORD and its Authority
 
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no im saying the bible tells you about God his character and what not and it tells you about God and his existence.
it tells you what to eat and what not to eat.
its tells you how to get into heaven and how to go to hell.

the bible is God. there is no God outside of the Authority of the Author of the WORD. which Authorizes
You sound like a person of the book.
Muslims are people of the book.

Christians are not.
Christians worship a LIVING God.
We'd know Him and His desire for us even without a book.

In fact, sometimes I think that book causes problems.
Do you think it causes problems?

You would NOT KNOW what to eat without that book?
You would not know when you were making Him unhappy (sinning)?
 

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John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


have you heard of King Arthur? what if i told you that its King Author? short for Authority.

you see in the beginning was the WORD because thats whats written in the word which makes it right or WRITE. so the Author has the AUTHORITY to write reality or RIGHT reality. which gives us our Authorization.

the bible Authorizes you to do this or that because the Author of the word has the Authority because its king Author, not king Arthur.

Thats why the word is God because it was written in the WORD that it is.

so what is God? the bible is God THE WORD is God

IT has the Authority to Authorize you.

this is why in the beginning the word created all because thats what they wrote in the word.

its not that it ACTUALLY happened but the Author is God of his own story that he creates!

the word created the world because the word said so!
Since you appear to want to give us an scholarly analysis of John 1:1, here's one of my favorite Bible scholar's (John Gill) analysis of John 1:1. Please take the time to at least read it.

In the beginning was the word,.... That this is said not of the written word, but of the essential word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, is clear, from all that is said from hence, to Joh_1:14 as that this word was in the beginning, was with God, and is God; from the creation of all things being ascribed to him, and his being said to be the life and light of men; from his coming into the world, and usage in it; from his bestowing the privilege of adoption on believers; and from his incarnation; and also there is a particular application of all this to Christ, Joh_1:15. And likewise from what this evangelist elsewhere says of him, when he calls him the word of life, and places him between the Father and the Holy Ghost; and speaks of the record of the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus, as the same thing; and represents him as a warrior and conqueror, 1Jo_1:1. Moreover this appears to be spoken of Christ, from what other inspired writers have said of him, under the same character; as the Evangelist Luke, Luk_1:2, the Apostle Paul, Act_20:32 and the Apostle Peter, 2Pe_3:5. And who is called the word, not as man; for as man he was not in the beginning with God, but became so in the fulness of time; nor is the man God; besides, as such, he is a creature, and not the Creator, nor is he the life and light of men; moreover, he was the word, before he was man, and therefore not as such: nor can any part of the human nature be so called; not the flesh, for the word was made flesh; nor his human soul, for self-subsistence, deity, eternity, and the creation of all things, can never be ascribed to that; but he is the word as the Son of God, as is evident from what is here attributed to him, and from the word being said to be so, as in Joh_1:14 and from those places, where the word is explained by the Son, compare 1Jo_5:5. And is so called from his nature, being begotten of the Father; for as the word, whether silent or expressed, is the birth of the mind, the image of it, equal to it, and distinct from it; so Christ is the only begotten of the Father, the express image of his person, in all things equal to him, and a distinct person from him: and he may be so called, from some action, or actions, said of him, or ascribed to him; as that he spoke for, and on the behalf of the elect of God, in the eternal council and covenant of grace and peace; and spoke all things out of nothing, in creation; for with regard to those words so often mentioned in the history of the creation, and God said, may Jehovah the Son be called the word; also he was spoken of as the promised Messiah, throughout the whole Old Testament dispensation; and is the interpreter of his Father's mind, as he was in Eden's garden, as well as in the days of his flesh; and now speaks in heaven for the saints. The phrase, מימרא דיי, "the word of the Lord", so frequently used by the Targumists, is well known: and it is to be observed, that the same things which John here says of the word, they say likewise, as will be observed on the several clauses; from whence it is more likely, that John should take this phrase, since the paraphrases of Onkelos and Jonathan ben Uzziel were written before his time, than that he should borrow it from the writings of Plato, or his followers, as some have thought; with whose philosophy, Ebion and Cerinthus are said to be acquainted; wherefore John, the more easily to gain upon them, uses this phrase, when that of the Son of God would have been disagreeable to them: that there is some likeness between the Evangelist John and Plato in their sentiments concerning the word, will not be denied. Amelius (f), a Platonic philosopher, who lived after the times of John, manifestly refers to these words of his, in agreement with his master's doctrine: his words are these,

"and this was truly "Logos", or the word, by whom always existing, the things that are made, were made, as also Heraclitus thought; and who, likewise that Barbarian (meaning the Evangelist John) reckons was in the order and dignity of the beginning, constituted with God, and was God, by whom all things are entirely made; in whom, whatsoever is made, lives, and has life, and being; and who entered into bodies, and was clothed with flesh, and appeared a man; so notwithstanding, that he showed forth the majesty of his nature; and after his dissolution, he was again deified, and was God, as he was before he descended into a body, flesh and man.

In which words it is easy to observe plain traces of what the evangelist says in the first four verses, and in the fourteenth verse of this chapter; yet it is much more probable, that Plato had his notion of the Logos, or word, out of the writings of the Old Testament, than that John should take this phrase, or what he says concerning the word, from him; since it is a matter of fact not disputed, that Plato went into Egypt to get knowledge: not only Clemens Alexandrinus a Christian writer says, that he was a philosopher of the Hebrews (g), and understood prophecy (h), and stirred up the fire of the Hebrew philosophy (i); but it is affirmed by Heathen writers, that he went into Egypt to learn of the priests (k), and to understand the rites of the prophets (l); and Aristobulus, a Jew, affirms (m), he studied their law; and Numenius, a Pythagoric philosopher (n), charges him with stealing what he wrote, concerning God and the world, out of the books of Moses; and used to say to him, what is Plato, but Moses "Atticising?" or Moses speaking Greek: and Eusebius (o), an ancient Christian writer, points at the very places, from whence Plato took his hints: wherefore it is more probable, that the evangelist received this phrase of the word, as a divine person, from the Targums, where there is such frequent mention made of it; or however, there is a very great agreement between what he and these ancient writings of the Jews say of the word, as will be hereafter shown. Moreover, the phrase is frequently used in like manner, in the writings of Philo the Jew; from whence it is manifest, that the name was well known to the Jews, and may be the reason of the evangelist's using it. This word, he says, was in the beginning; by which is meant, not the Father of Christ; for he is never called the beginning, but the Son only; and was he, he must be such a beginning as is without one; nor can he be said to be so, with respect to the Son or Spirit, who are as eternal as himself; only with respect to the creatures, of whom he is the author and efficient cause: Christ is indeed in the Father, and the Father in him, but this cannot be meant here; nor is the beginning of the Gospel of Christ, by the preaching of John the Baptist, intended here: John's ministry was an evangelical one, and the Gospel was more clearly preached by him, and after him, by Christ and his apostles, than before; but it did not then begin; it was preached before by the angel to the shepherds, at the birth of Christ; and before that, by the prophets under the former dispensation, as by Isaiah, and others; it was preached before unto Abraham, and to our first parents, in the garden of Eden: nor did Christ begin to be, when John began to preach; for John's preaching and baptism were for the manifestation of him: yea, Christ existed as man, before John began to preach; and though he was born after him as man, yet as the Word and Son of God, he existed before John was born; he was in being in the times of the prophets, which were before John; and in the times of Moses, and before Abraham, and in the days of Noah: but by the beginning is here meant, the beginning of the world, or the creation of all things; and which is expressive of the eternity of Christ, he was in the beginning, as the Maker of all creatures, and therefore must be before them all: and it is to be observed, that it is said of him, that in the beginning he was; not made, as the heavens and earth, and the things in them were; nor was he merely in the purpose and predestination of God, but really existed as a divine person, as he did from all eternity; as appears from his being set up in office from everlasting; from all the elect being chosen in him, and given to him before the foundation of the world; from the covenant of grace, which is from eternity, being made with him; and from the blessings and promises of grace, being as early put into his hands; and from his nature as God, and his relation to his Father: so Philo the Jew often calls the Logos, or word, the eternal word, the most ancient word, and more ancient than any thing that is made (p). The eternity of the Messiah is acknowledged by the ancient Jews: Mic_5:2 is a full proof of it; which by them (q) is thus paraphrased,

"out of thee, before me, shall come forth the Messiah, that he may exercise dominion over Israel; whose name is said from eternity, from the days of old.

Jarchi upon it only mentions Psa_72:17 which is rendered by the Targum on the place, before the sun his name was prepared; it may be translated, "before the sun his name was Yinnon"; that is, the Son, namely the Son of God; and Aben Ezra interprets it, יקרא בן, "he shall be called the son"; and to this agrees what the Talmudisis say (r), that the name of the Messiah was before the world was created; in proof of which they produce the same passage,

And the word was with God; not with men or angels; for he was before either of these; but with God, not essentially, but personally considered; with God his Father: not in the Socinian sense, that he was only known to him, and to no other before the ministry of John the Baptist; for he was known and spoken of by the angel Gabriel before; and was known to Mary and to Joseph; and to Zacharias and Elisabeth; to the shepherds, and to the wise men; to Simeon and Anna, who saw him in the temple; and to the prophets and patriarchs in all ages, from the beginning of the world: but this phrase denotes the existence of the word with the Father, his relation and nearness to him, his equality with him, and particularly the distinction of his person from him, as well as his eternal being with him; for he was always with him, and is, and ever will be; he was with him in the council and covenant of grace, and in the creation of the universe, and is with him in the providential government of the world; he was with him as the word and Son of God in heaven, whilst he as man, was here on earth; and he is now with him, and ever will be: and as John here speaks of the word, as a distinct person from God the Father, so do the Targums, or Chaldee paraphrases; Psa_110:1 "the Lord said to my Lord", is rendered, "the Lord said to his word"; where he is manifestly distinguished from Jehovah, that speaks to him; and in Hos_1:7 the Lord promises to "have mercy on the house of Judah", and "save them by the Lord their God". The Targum is, "I will redeem them by the word of the Lord their God"; where the word of the Lord, who is spoken of as a Redeemer and Saviour, is distinguished from the Lord, who promises to save by him. This distinction of Jehovah and his word, may be observed in multitudes of places, in the Chaldee paraphrases, and in the writings of Philo the Jew; and this phrase, of "the word" being "with God", is in the Targums expressed by, מימר מן קדם, "the word from before the Lord", or "which is before the Lord": being always in his presence, and the angel of it; so Onkelos paraphrases Gen_31:22 "and the word from before the Lord, came to Laban", &c. and Exo_20:19 thus, "and let not the word from before the Lord speak with us, lest we die"; for so it is read in the King of Spain's Bible; and wisdom, which is the same with the word of God, is said to be by him, or with him, in Pro_8:1 agreeably to which John here speaks. John makes use of the word God, rather than Father, because the word is commonly called the word of God, and because of what follows,

and the word was God; not made a God, as he is said here after to be made flesh; nor constituted or appointed a God, or a God by office; but truly and properly God, in the highest sense of the word, as appears from the names by which he is called; as Jehovah, God, our, your, their, and my God, God with us, the mighty God, God over all, the great God, the living God, the true God, and eternal life; and from his perfections, and the whole fulness of the Godhead that dwells in him, as independence, eternity, immutability, omnipresence, omniscience, and omnipotence; and from his works of creation and providence, his miracles, the work of redemption, his forgiving sins, the resurrection of himself and others from the dead, and the administration of the last judgment; and from the worship given him, as prayer to him, faith in him, and the performance of baptism in his name: nor is it any objection to the proper deity of Christ, that the article is here wanting; since when the word is applied to the Father, it is not always used, and even in this chapter, Joh_1:6 and which shows, that the word "God", is not the subject, but the predicate of this proposition, as we render it: so the Jews often use the word of the Lord for Jehovah, and call him God. Thus the words in Gen_28:20 are paraphrased by Onkelos,

"if "the word of the Lord" will be my help, and will keep me, &c. then "the word of the Lord" shall be, לי לאלהא, "my God":

again, Lev_26:12 is paraphrased, by the Targum ascribed to Jonathan Ben Uzziel, thus,

"I will cause the glory of my Shekinah to dwell among you, and my word shall "be your God", the Redeemer;

once more, Deu_26:17 is rendered by the Jerusalem Targum after this manner,

"ye have made "the word of the Lord" king over you this day, that he may be your God:

and this is frequent with Philo the Jew, who says, the name of God is his word, and calls him, my Lord, the divine word; and affirms, that the most ancient word is God (s),

(f) Apud Euseb. Prepar. Evangel. l. 11. c. 19. (g) Stromat. l. 1. p. 274. (h) Ib. p. 303. (i) Ib. Paedagog. l. 2. c. 1. p. 150. (k) Valer. Maxim. l. 8. c. 7. (l) Apuleius de dogmate Platonis, l. 1. in principio. (m) Apud. Euseb. Prepar. Evangel. l. 13. c. 12. (n) Hesych. Miles. de Philosophis. p. 50. (o) Prepar. Evangel. l. 11. c. 9. (p) De Leg. Alleg. l. 2. p. 93. de Plant. Noe, p. 217. de Migrat. Abraham, p. 389. de Profugis, p. 466. quis. rer. divin. Haeres. p. 509. (q) Targum Jon. in loc. (r) T. Bab. Pesachim, fol. 54. 1. & Nedarim, fol. 39. 2. Pirke Eliezer, c. 3. (s) De Allegor. l. 2. p. 99, 101. & de Somniis, p. 599.
 
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no im saying the bible tells you about God his character and what not and it tells you about God and his existence.
it tells you what to eat and what not to eat.
its tells you how to get into heaven and how to go to hell.

the bible is God. there is no God outside of the Authority of the Author of the WORD. which Authorizes
You can speak as much as you want but you would be wrong. Folks without the Holy spirit often are wrong.

The Law never saved anyone, only faith in the Gospel of Christ.

Jesus came to take away the sins of sinners through his propiation on the cross.he died and rose again and ascended to heaven and sends the Holy spirit to teach His children the truth and lift the veil that blinds the world whenever they read the Bible.
.without the holy spirit, one can't truly teach the meaning of scriptures because you don't understand it.

It's like asking a blind person what color shirt I am wearing right now.