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Sep 9, 2011
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How are you supposed to know that what you get out of the Scriptures is the same as what it really means? The thing about it is is that you are trying to say that you can interpret the Scriptures perfectly by yourself by the Holy Spirit, but if this is what you (and others I presume) believe, then what is the point of having teachers? The Apostles Paul said that Christ appointed qualified teachers to "rightly divide the word of truth", and Apostle James said, "Not many of you should be teachers" (James 3). So you are going against the Apostolic decree which tells us that we must have "pastors and teachers" to guide us into all the truth.
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

If you think you're competent enough to understand the Scriptures, wherefore have the Apostles given us teachers?
If one tries to interpret it on his own he will wind up like you asking questons on how to. The only way you will understand it is by His Spirit be in you says the Lord. Until then, you will saty in confusion about it.
 
Aug 18, 2011
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If one tries to interpret it on his own he will wind up like you asking questons on how to. The only way you will understand it is by His Spirit be in you says the Lord. Until then, you will saty in confusion about it.
I wasn't asking questions on how to interpret it, I was making observation that not all can interpret it, and that teachers are given for this very reason.
 
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You are blinded by prejudice (bigotry), sorry. God bless you! Rome adds "and the Son" to John 15:26. The Eastern Orthodox Church preaches John 15:26 unchanged and unaltered. They are not at all the same. No Orthodox Christian claims infallibility for himself; just for the Church. The papists wrongly teach the pope of Rome is the church and the church is the pope of Rome, and one man is the infallible teacher of all Christians, to whom one must "submit" to be "saved". Christ doesn't require such submission, and doesn't teach this error. Papism is error; self-papism (Protestantism) is just a twist upon romanism (papism).


Scott. "And the son" or "infallability" has nothing to do with ones salvation. If you read what I posted, you would have seen this is what I was talking about.

You claim I am a biggot. But you did not even read what I said. And nothing you posted even responded to what it is I said. Amazing!!!
 
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Scott. "And the son" or "infallability" has nothing to do with ones salvation. If you read what I posted, you would have seen this is what I was talking about.

You claim I am a biggot. But you did not even read what I said. And nothing you posted even responded to what it is I said. Amazing!!!

Dear friend:
Kindly learn how to spell. It's bigot. Okay now! You say "I follow men." You attack me, not my position. You don't say, "Your position comes from following men." You make things personal.
Also, you don't prove the tradition I follow is "a tradition of men." You just say that it is, and you don't even try to prove it. You act as if your word is proof enough.
Is it logical to reject writings from Christians in the first 1000 years, but accept writings of Christians that are no older than 500 years old. If the writings from Christians that come only 500 years ago contradict in any major way the main points of Christian doctrine, someone must be wrong. If they Christians of the first 1000 years of Christianity were wrong in some major points-of-doctrine, then there must not have been any true Church on earth for the first 1,000 years of Christendom. But this, then, falsifies Matthew 16:18, and makes the Lord Jesus Christ into a Liar. Clearly, the Church of the first 1,000 years could teach no major heresy; any heresies that arose (and the Bible says there must be heresies) must not come from God or from the Church of God, as Christ said the gates of hell would never prevail against the Church, and that means the Church would not preach heresy at any time.
Christianity is about more than just being saved. Salvation is the point of what Christ does (Titus 3:5), and we can trust Christ to save us. There's more to the Bible than just getting saved from going to hell. It's also about how to live our lives, and what doctrines, what sound doctrines to believe.
How do we know the true Church? By what the Church teaches. Anything that teaches error cannot be the Church Christ founded.
The Orthodox Church teaches the Spirit proceeds from the Father alone. That is what the Bible says. That is what Jesus says in the Bible. This is just one solid proof that the Orthodox Church is the true Church.
Roman Catholicism, following a man, the pope of Rome, teaches that the Spirit proceeds also "from the Son." This is heresy.
In support of this heresy, Rome claims she is infallible, that all the popes of Rome are infallible, and therefore we must believe that the Spirit proceeds also "from the Son" because the popes of Rome (after 1014 AD) say so.
Protestantism, following a man, Martin Luther, says that justification in Christ is by faith alone. This is heresy, falsifying and making James 2:24 an epistle of straw and no valid part of the New Testament. But according to Luther, we must believe in salvation by "faith alone", because "I, Dr. Martin Luther, say so."
Thus both Protestantism and Catholicism trust in men. Catholics trust in their Roman Popes; Protestants trust in their German, Swiss, Scottish, British, etc. Reformers.
Orthodoxy the Orthodox Church trusts in the LORD Jesus Christ, teaching with Christ Jesus the LORD that the Spirit proceeds only from the Father.
God save you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.

 
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Scotth1960;568730[SIZE=3 said:
.... It is from the Church that Holy Scripture ultimately derives its authority, for it was the Church which originally decided which books form a part of Holy Scripture, and it is the Church alone which can interpret Holy Scripture with authority. [/SIZE]
Holy Scripture derives its authority from YHVH, not from man. You may as well say man wrote Scripture from his own imagination.
 
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Holy Scripture derives its authority from YHVH, not from man. You may as well say man wrote Scripture from his own imagination.
God inspired men to write the bible an he inspired men to assemble the bible (the OT and NT). The Bible did not fall from the sky like the Koran, the bible is not a koran. It was men who were in the Church who were inspired by God to assemble the NT canon. The New Testament took over 400 years to be formally completed. The book of Revelation did not get officially accepted into the NT until about the 6th c.
 
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God inspired men to write the bible an he inspired men to assemble the bible (the OT and NT). The Bible did not fall from the sky like the Koran, the bible is not a koran. It was men who were in the Church who were inspired by God to assemble the NT canon. The New Testament took over 400 years to be formally completed. The book of Revelation did not get officially accepted into the NT until about the 6th c.
Paul's writings were seen as scripture in his day.
2 Peter 3:15-16
(15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
(16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 
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God inspired men to write the bible an he inspired men to assemble the bible (the OT and NT). The Bible did not fall from the sky like the Koran, the bible is not a koran. It was men who were in the Church who were inspired by God to assemble the NT canon. The New Testament took over 400 years to be formally completed. The book of Revelation did not get officially accepted into the NT until about the 6th c.

So, in your opinion, YHVH is not the authority? Interesting...
 

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So, in your opinion, YHVH is not the authority? Interesting...
Incorrect. God IS the authority. He also delegated some of His authority to His Church and by proxy, the men in charge of said Church. The real question then becomes, which Church is THE Church?