The book of Enoch

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The one thing I think you are not considering in this is that Jude is not writing these things based on his own understanding of history or oral or written records. What he has written he was directed to write by the Holy Spirit. It makes no difference whether the prophesy of Enoch was even known by man before this or not. The Holy Spirit was the one who gave Enoch the prophesy in the first place. Now, He is relaying this same prophesy to Jude and telling us that this was also prophesied by Enoch. Enoch never wrote anything since he lived at least 1000 years before the developments of any written language.
Nothing is new under the sun. The Holy Spirit it TRUTH.
 
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Is the book of Enoch false doctrine ? My moms reading it, and she's easily brain washed by her "church Chanel's ". Does the bible reference the book of enoch?
No. There are 3 books of Enoch. I have read all 3, and the 2nd and 3rd don't seem written according to the 1st. They (the 2nd and 3rd) seem to be additions I don't endorse those 2. The 1st book of Enoch, however, is good, and very deep into creation and how the universe works according to God's creation. It is very interesting, and complements Genesis in every way that I have seen, and is more explanatory in content. The Bible references Enoch walking with God and he was a very righteous man, so the Bible references the man, not a book written by him.
 
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No. There are 3 books of Enoch. I have read all 3, and the 2nd and 3rd don't seem written according to the 1st. They (the 2nd and 3rd) seem to be additions I don't endorse those 2. The 1st book of Enoch, however, is good, and very deep into creation and how the universe works according to God's creation. It is very interesting, and complements Genesis in every way that I have seen, and is more explanatory in content. The Bible references Enoch walking with God and he was a very righteous man, so the Bible references the man, not a book written by him.
"Enoch" puts forward the idea of a 364 day solar calendar. Do you agree with his assessments?
 
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"Enoch" puts forward the idea of a 364 day solar calendar. Do you agree with his assessments?
It seems that way. If the moon revolves around the earth 12 times in a year, that makes sense. It seems that after the flood is when the poles would have been tipped more than in the beginning. Enoch mentions the windows or doors of degrees that the sun and moon rise and set according to the seasons.

The Hebrew calendar in
regular years equal 354 days each today, and then there are leap years every 2nd or 3rd year that have an extra month to keep up with the seasons of harvest and the new moons equaling 384 days. It seems that at creation (Just my opinion) the moon revolved around the earth exactly 12 times in one year. The number 12 represents governmental perfection according to the Hebrew meaning of numbers. 12 tribes of Israel, and 12 disciples etc.
 
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The book of Enoch cannot be authenticated and is why it was left out of the cannon. The same reason the life of Adam and Eve was removed and the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Peter and many more. I think that the Holy Spirit knew what He was doing as He guided which books would be included in the bible.
 
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the book of enoch has no credibility as scripture...jude's infamous 'quotation' from the book of enoch doesn't even match exactly with what is written in the book of enoch...

there are actually -several- works attributed to enoch...all part of a fanciful tradition of legends surrounding enoch and the antediluvian and patriarchal eras in general...invented to 'fill in the blanks' in scripture...that began to emerge around the third century BC...

it is left out of scripture for the same reason all of the davy crockett folklore is left out of history books...

with all that said...you may find the book of enoch useful as an example of the kinds of 'jewish fables' the apostles had to contend against...
 

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Ok.. But WHY isn't it scripture? Why isn't it authentic or credible ?
 

JimmieD

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Ok.. But WHY isn't it scripture? Why isn't it authentic or credible ?
Becuase it has nothing to do with Christianity. It deals with concerns and issues of a sect of Jews living the second temple period. It's a book by, for, and about that particular sect.

Authenticity/authorship isn't an issue as far as I can tell. It's the content that's the issue (though it certainly wasn't written by the actual Enoch). If the book of Enoch is scripture, then I probably need to become an Essene, not a Christian.
 
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Jruiz

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How do we know it's not written by the actual Enoch? Basically I have a bunch of questions no one can answer...
 

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How do we know it's not written by the actual Enoch? Basically I have a bunch of questions no one can answer...
Because Enoch never lived at least 1000 years before the developments of any written language.
 

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Ok.. But WHY isn't it scripture? Why isn't it authentic or credible ?
You can never compare a fraud to the genuine article without exposing the fraud. If you have ever spent any real time studying scripture and then pick up the book of Enoch you will easily see why it is not scripture.
 

JimmieD

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How do we know it's not written by the actual Enoch?
The content of the book indicates it's origins are in the 2nd Temple period. Enoch was not a Jew living in the 2nd Temple period.
 
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How do we know it's not written by the actual Enoch? Basically I have a bunch of questions no one can answer...
enochian literature appeared around the third century BC at the earliest...about 2,500 years -after- the real enoch was taken up into heaven...

your question is like asking 'how do we know 'the scorpion king' doesn't show an actual akkadian?'