By who? Who killed them God or satan?
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Discription of Job.
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Discription of Job.
The Book of Job
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The context is clear...they lied to God and the breath of every living thing is in the hand of God...God said...I kill and I make alive...Jesus said to fear the one who had the authority to KILL and then cast into hell<---The Heavenly Father..........No offence, but use your head and come to a solid conclusion based upon the facts friend!
Look pal...I have no problem in coming right out and saying that GOD killed Ananias and Sapphira as the context is clear....and the point above shows and sets forth the consistency of God from the Old to the New.....yes there is a greater offering of grace in the N.T. and that in now way shape or form alleviates the fact that God, at the warning of Jesus in the N.T. has the right and authority to kill anyone he chooses to kill.....So...instead of going to seed on something, accept the truth and just acknowledge it.......
You always seem upset in your posts. I dont get upset with anyone.
And I hurt that you would think God killed them just like that. The bible doesnt say that but you do. Where did you get this authority to add what the bible did not say? I guess you know the warning for adding something that is not there.
And I hurt that you would think God killed them just like that. The bible doesnt say that but you do. Where did you get this authority to add what the bible did not say? I guess you know the warning for adding something that is not there.
Stevie...I am not upset at all.....The context is clear...They lied to God, are confronted by Peter and they both die because of their sin...The breath of every living thing is in the hand of God...context makes it clear that God took their lives....go read the account for yourself......it is not wrong nor unbiblical to make deductive conclusions based upon the facts of any given passage...sorry if I offended you!
I already told you I dont get upset with you or anyone else. Its also imposible for you to offend me. I love you.
I would not assume as you have just done to blame The God of life for killing them. God sent His Son to bring Life He is the aouthor of life and you just accused him of killing them from what is a popular teaching. You can make any conclusions you like . But the fact is the bible does not say God killed them You added that.
I would not assume as you have just done to blame The God of life for killing them. God sent His Son to bring Life He is the aouthor of life and you just accused him of killing them from what is a popular teaching. You can make any conclusions you like . But the fact is the bible does not say God killed them You added that.
Look, I will not argue with you...Jesus clearly warned the disciple to fear God who can kill at will and cast into hell.....They lied to the Holy Spirit and great fear came upon the church by Peter rebuking them and them forfeiting their lives....The breath of every living thing is in the hand of God...he took their lives...receive or not...as far as arguing with you I will not and am done with this convo.......Other than to say that at the end of the AGE, under the NEW Covenant God will judge this world by his indignation and when he gets done he will make a man (singular) more precious than fine Gold....Yes he is the God of life, he also judges and kills (takes life) at will and is within his right to do so.......
Wow you are talking arguing and getting upset like I said you were at the start. Whither you like it or not what I said is a fact. what you siad is made up of what you think.
Were did Christ say "God who can kill at will and cast into hell." You give a lot of opinions with out any scripture. Dont be thinking were arguing. Your arguing with your self. I am just laying down facts. You troed to mix covanants. You gave your opininon I gave the facts and it looks like you cant handle that. Maybe not get involved if you get so upset bro?
Were did Christ say "God who can kill at will and cast into hell." You give a lot of opinions with out any scripture. Dont be thinking were arguing. Your arguing with your self. I am just laying down facts. You troed to mix covanants. You gave your opininon I gave the facts and it looks like you cant handle that. Maybe not get involved if you get so upset bro?
First of all I am not upset and you have not read the bible if you have to ask where Christ warned of God killing and casting into Hell......Here go look up the scriptures and then apologize for accusing me of making up opinions....
Luke 12:4-5
Matthew 10:28-29
Revelation 2:23
And speaking of scripture....I have not seen you post one yet in our conversation!
Luke 12:4-5
Matthew 10:28-29
Revelation 2:23
And speaking of scripture....I have not seen you post one yet in our conversation!
K
They committing the unforgivable sin as they committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by directly lying to Him.
They were struck down for committing that sin, but that is the only sin under the new covenant that God right now takes His vengeance out on.
When the Lord returns His vengeance will be poured out on all who deny Him and are unrighteous.
The OT is full of examples where God destroyed or had people killed for sins, and Revelation states and shows He will do it again on the unrighteous sinners.
I'm also still waiting for you to produce one verse of Scripture. You have not done that in all your posts. I carefully posted the relevant verses from Job, showing that God pointed out Job to Satan, and basically said, "Go ahead, afflict, except don't take his life." So Satan took his kid's lives, and in chapter 2, God gives Satan permission to afflict Job physically, as long as he doesn't kill him."
You are posting opinions which are not based on the Word of God. I would doubt you have ever read the Bible cover to cover, or you would be dissuaded from this Health and Wealth, Word of Faith heresy, you keep presenting as fact, when it is poor theology and conjecture, your opinions, not based on the truth of the Bible.
L
Another reason to understand the different covenants and what they mean. God loved Job but Job was not under the new covenant. He again didn't have the advantages we have. Our sins are forgiven by the blood of Christ. We do not suffer God's wrath and judgment anymore due to the fact Jesus took our judgement on Himself. The OT saints still waited for the Redeemer. We have Him. And we have the HolySpirit. David was punished for his sins and dealt with the consequences of his sin. We will suffer from things on this earth but not from God's hand. Jesus took that judgement and wrath for us.
Knowing the differences is major to a proper understanding of our relationship with God in the new covenant. I have read the OT and am very thankful I am no longer required to up hold the law and come up with blood sacrifices continually when I fail each day. I have an open door to the Father due to the Son. (so do all believers now but many don't know it and are still trying to pay for their sins each day)
L
The subject of Ananias and Sapphira has come up before and I'm sure you have heard before that those two were not believers. They came into the new church and tried to infiltrate it and were struck down for messing with God's new church. God doesn't kill us., He saved us and gave us His Son Jesus to pay for the sins we commit. Ananias and Sapphira had no such covering.
A
I hate to resort back to my RCC Catechism, but here goes:
Who is God? God is the Supreme Being, maker of all things.
Satan didn't merely do that to Job when God wasn't looking. He actually had to go to God to ask. Why? Because God is the supreme being. Got to check with the boss before doing something, even if you hate the boss.
It didn't slip by God. It was decreed acceptable to God. God even limited Satan, telling him what he could not do.
Again, Rom. 8:28. "All things" means "all things," the good, the bad, and the ugly. All things. Job was covered, under Rom. 8:28, even though he never heard of the Law, never knew there needed to be a redeemer, and never heard the name Jesus.
I will never accept a god who can't manage everything that happens.
Who is God? God is the Supreme Being, maker of all things.
Satan didn't merely do that to Job when God wasn't looking. He actually had to go to God to ask. Why? Because God is the supreme being. Got to check with the boss before doing something, even if you hate the boss.
It didn't slip by God. It was decreed acceptable to God. God even limited Satan, telling him what he could not do.
Again, Rom. 8:28. "All things" means "all things," the good, the bad, and the ugly. All things. Job was covered, under Rom. 8:28, even though he never heard of the Law, never knew there needed to be a redeemer, and never heard the name Jesus.
I will never accept a god who can't manage everything that happens.
M
Job 2:10 - ...shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?...So according to Job, at first at least, God's judgment of him was just[Job 9:12;30-33], yet he felt compelled by his own honor to speak his part, rather than to directly ask for healing, as it seems.
"Oh that I might have my request; and that God would grant [me] the thing that I long for! Even that it would please God to destroy me; that he would let loose his hand, and cut me off!" Job 6:8-9
"I cry unto thee, and thou dost not hear me: I stand up, and thou regardest me [not]." - Job 30:20
"When I looked for good, then evil came [unto me]: and when I waited for light, there came darkness." - Job 30:26
"Wherefore I abhor [myself], and repent in dust and ashes." Job 42:6
"Oh that I might have my request; and that God would grant [me] the thing that I long for! Even that it would please God to destroy me; that he would let loose his hand, and cut me off!" Job 6:8-9
"I cry unto thee, and thou dost not hear me: I stand up, and thou regardest me [not]." - Job 30:20
"When I looked for good, then evil came [unto me]: and when I waited for light, there came darkness." - Job 30:26
"Wherefore I abhor [myself], and repent in dust and ashes." Job 42:6